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Sandstorm wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2023 3:26 pm
boere wors wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2023 3:21 pm Kickoff is 1930 BST, not GMT as stated in the NZ squad picture above I think
06:30 in Auckland. Still too early for those lazy Kiwis to watch it live.
It’s 5.55 am here now. What was your point?
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boere wors wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2023 4:28 pm So 2030 saffer time
Some issues with the internet cables coming to south africa. Streaming is going to be painful
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Guy Smiley wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2023 5:54 pm
Sandstorm wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2023 3:26 pm
boere wors wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2023 3:21 pm Kickoff is 1930 BST, not GMT as stated in the NZ squad picture above I think
06:30 in Auckland. Still too early for those lazy Kiwis to watch it live.
It’s 5.55 am here now. What was your point?
Kiwis don’t get out of bed early to watch Rugby.
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Boland towns will be black on Saturday morning if the All Blacks win. Can't drive without head lights through town.
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Sandstorm wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 8:08 am Chance of rain on Friday evening. So both Faf and Snecky will kick the leather off the ball for 80 minutes. :thumbdown:
Forecast looks fine
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RasNaber is still not sure of 15 and 12. It will be Willemse and AE chance to nail those jerseys.

The other positions its a juggle for backup to get in the match 23.

The All Blacks is the best measurement to finalize the team for round 1 vs Scotland.
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Guy Smiley wrote: Tue Aug 22, 2023 11:47 pm
fishfoodie wrote: Tue Aug 22, 2023 11:39 pm & still get full houses for games.
unless it's England vs Fiji
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PCPhil wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:32 am
Sandstorm wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 8:08 am Chance of rain on Friday evening. So both Faf and Snecky will kick the leather off the ball for 80 minutes. :thumbdown:
Forecast looks fine
Meh, I don't see the weather having much affect on tactics from those two Gary Owen fans.
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:33 am RasNaber is still not sure of 15 and 12. It will be Willemse and AE chance to nail those jerseys.

The other positions its a juggle for backup to get in the match 23.

The All Blacks is the best measurement to finalize the team for round 1 vs Scotland.
RasNaber are 100% sure that Willie is the starting 15. They are also sure that Willemse is a bench player in major games.
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Chilli wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2023 11:00 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:33 am RasNaber is still not sure of 15 and 12. It will be Willemse and AE chance to nail those jerseys.

The other positions its a juggle for backup to get in the match 23.

The All Blacks is the best measurement to finalize the team for round 1 vs Scotland.
RasNaber are 100% sure that Willie is the starting 15. They are also sure that Willemse is a bench player in major games.
+1

And there's no chance they'll take Le Roux off. They have Libbok at 10 ahead of Willemse, so they're not taking Libbok off. If Willemse comes on it'll be at 12, probably with De Allende moving to 13, that's what happened against Wales.
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This late in, I doubt there's anything they're not sure off.
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There’s no guarantee Libbok will get 80 mins at 10. Willemse could play 10 tomorrow . Or 12. Or 15. Or all of them.

That’s why he’s so special. Ask Sards.
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With Libbok at 10 we don't really need Willie at fullback as dual playmaker. Different story with Handre at 10.
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boere wors wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2023 1:58 pm With Libbok at 10 we don't really need Willie at fullback as dual playmaker. Different story with Handre at 10.
This. Sure, Manie gives us all headaches with his erratic place kicking, but he brings a lot on the attack.
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Sandstorm wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2023 11:53 am There’s no guarantee Libbok will get 80 mins at 10. Willemse could play 10 tomorrow . Or 12. Or 15. Or all of them.

That’s why he’s so special. Ask Sards.
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The ABs took off like a house on fire but faded in the second half of the last match. It really is worth watching if you want to understand the 10 position. Also watch who was in position the majority of the match at first receiver. Watch the kick offs. We did not get a single one back as they were comfortably taken without any contesting which brought the ABs immediately onto attack and one of the reasons we defended so much. The ABs are miserly with the possession. They can run you back 40 metres easily. I am sure the brains trust will have looked at that. Kickoffs should be an opportunity to pin your opponents in their 22
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This is on Sky, innit? Might have to get a day pass
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Grandpa wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:59 am
Chilli wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:51 am New Zealand: 15 Beauden Barrett, 14 Will Jordan, 13 Reiko Ioane, 12 Jordie Barrett, 11 Mark Telea, 10 Richie Mo’unga, 9 Aaron Smith, 8 Ardie Savea, 7 Sam Cane (Captain), 6 Luke Jacobson, 5 Samuel Whitelock, 4 Scott Barrett, 3 Tyrel Lomax, 2 Dane Coles, 1 Ethan de Groot.
Replacements: 16 Samisoni Taukei’aho, 17 Tamaiti Williams, 18 Fletcher Newell, 19 Tupou Vaa’i, 20 Josh Lord, 21 Dalton Papali’i, 22 Cam Roigard, 23 Anton Lienert-Brown

That is quite some squad.
6 forwards and 2 backs on the bench... no Codie Taylor at all? Injured?

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So this is what the coaches see as our top side.

It was pretty much what Ryan said in that interview.

It feels a little underwhelming, but I can’t quite place why.

Probably Cane, and BB.
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Slick wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:12 pm This is on Sky, innit? Might have to get a day pass
Sky 416. Free for ordinary Sky subscribers I think.
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Ymx wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:28 pm
Grandpa wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:59 am
Chilli wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:51 am New Zealand: 15 Beauden Barrett, 14 Will Jordan, 13 Reiko Ioane, 12 Jordie Barrett, 11 Mark Telea, 10 Richie Mo’unga, 9 Aaron Smith, 8 Ardie Savea, 7 Sam Cane (Captain), 6 Luke Jacobson, 5 Samuel Whitelock, 4 Scott Barrett, 3 Tyrel Lomax, 2 Dane Coles, 1 Ethan de Groot.
Replacements: 16 Samisoni Taukei’aho, 17 Tamaiti Williams, 18 Fletcher Newell, 19 Tupou Vaa’i, 20 Josh Lord, 21 Dalton Papali’i, 22 Cam Roigard, 23 Anton Lienert-Brown

That is quite some squad.
6 forwards and 2 backs on the bench... no Codie Taylor at all? Injured?

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So this is what the coaches see as our top side.

It was pretty much what Ryan said in that interview.

It feels a little underwhelming, but I can’t quite place why.

Probably Cane, and BB.
Retallick is missing and Jacobson feels weak on the blindside. I prefer Papalii to Cane, but won't happen unless Cane gets injured... would Retallick be on the bench if fit or starting with Barrett?
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Sards wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2023 4:34 pm The ABs took off like a house on fire but faded in the second half of the last match. It really is worth watching if you want to understand the 10 position. Also watch who was in position the majority of the match at first receiver. Watch the kick offs. We did not get a single one back as they were comfortably taken without any contesting which brought the ABs immediately onto attack and one of the reasons we defended so much. The ABs are miserly with the possession. They can run you back 40 metres easily. I am sure the brains trust will have looked at that. Kickoffs should be an opportunity to pin your opponents in their 22
The All Blacks had a quiet middle period but came back strong in the last 15 minutes to score two tries to take the match away from SA... bit like the second match in SA last year where NZ took an early lead and SA came back before NZ went away again...

NZ have changed their style completely since Schmidt and Ryan took over. Gone are the Foster tactics of risky offloads and going wide early, to a more structured approach, very similar to Ireland where they are much more patient and hold onto the ball for long periods... though I think they can improve further.
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Sandstorm wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2023 6:24 pm
Guy Smiley wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2023 5:54 pm
Sandstorm wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2023 3:26 pm

06:30 in Auckland. Still too early for those lazy Kiwis to watch it live.
It’s 5.55 am here now. What was your point?
Kiwis don’t get out of bed early to watch Rugby.
Don't know where in NZ you live to have this experience, but I know around here a; All AB games are watched live and always have been and b; 6'30am is not particularly early, f*** you can't lose half your day lying in bed~
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https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/sport/496559 ... ver-s-seat
Richie Mo'unga has cemented himself as the All Blacks first choice first-five and he and the team are reaping the rewards.

He's locked up the No.10 jersey ahead of Beauden Barrett, who's found his home as starting fullback.

The pair were used as dual playmakers at the 2019 World Cup, where the All Blacks were beaten in the semi-finals, and Mo'unga says having clearly defined roles has improved their performances in 2023.

"This is the first year in many years that we haven't had the issue or the debate around who's going to be playing what. It's nice to have that peace of mind.

"In 2019 we just wanted to do whatever was best for the team and it's exactly the same this year. It's just nice for both of us having clarity around our roles. For Baz (Barrett) too, he's just getting his role at 15 sorted. Being able to focus on our own specific jobs, that helps both of us."

As I've been saying...
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Guy Smiley wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2023 12:01 am https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/sport/496559 ... ver-s-seat
Richie Mo'unga has cemented himself as the All Blacks first choice first-five and he and the team are reaping the rewards.

He's locked up the No.10 jersey ahead of Beauden Barrett, who's found his home as starting fullback.

The pair were used as dual playmakers at the 2019 World Cup, where the All Blacks were beaten in the semi-finals, and Mo'unga says having clearly defined roles has improved their performances in 2023.

"This is the first year in many years that we haven't had the issue or the debate around who's going to be playing what. It's nice to have that peace of mind.

"In 2019 we just wanted to do whatever was best for the team and it's exactly the same this year. It's just nice for both of us having clarity around our roles. For Baz (Barrett) too, he's just getting his role at 15 sorted. Being able to focus on our own specific jobs, that helps both of us."

As I've been saying...
It is not rocket science, is it?
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Sandstorm wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2023 3:26 pm
boere wors wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2023 3:21 pm Kickoff is 1930 BST, not GMT as stated in the NZ squad picture above I think
06:30 in Auckland. Still too early for those lazy Kiwis to watch it live.
🫤 I'll be watching this live. Your comment completely misses the FACT that fans of the Spiritual Guardian All Blacks have always had to deal with the worst kick off times. 0630 is a treat for us!

For all the hype, I don't think these guys are going to throw the kitchen sink at it.
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Kiwias wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2023 1:01 am
Guy Smiley wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2023 12:01 am https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/sport/496559 ... ver-s-seat
Richie Mo'unga has cemented himself as the All Blacks first choice first-five and he and the team are reaping the rewards.

He's locked up the No.10 jersey ahead of Beauden Barrett, who's found his home as starting fullback.

The pair were used as dual playmakers at the 2019 World Cup, where the All Blacks were beaten in the semi-finals, and Mo'unga says having clearly defined roles has improved their performances in 2023.

"This is the first year in many years that we haven't had the issue or the debate around who's going to be playing what. It's nice to have that peace of mind.

"In 2019 we just wanted to do whatever was best for the team and it's exactly the same this year. It's just nice for both of us having clarity around our roles. For Baz (Barrett) too, he's just getting his role at 15 sorted. Being able to focus on our own specific jobs, that helps both of us."

As I've been saying...
It is not rocket science, is it?
What’s funny is that England might be looking to now do the dual pivot. Marcus Smith at 15.

Actually, I didn’t check the team sheet to see if it was this weekend …
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No, Steward at 15, as expected. Ford at 10, and Smith on the bench. Might see who leaves the field though when subs are applied.
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Muttonbird wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2023 7:14 am
Sandstorm wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2023 3:26 pm
boere wors wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2023 3:21 pm Kickoff is 1930 BST, not GMT as stated in the NZ squad picture above I think
06:30 in Auckland. Still too early for those lazy Kiwis to watch it live.
🫤 I'll be watching this live. Your comment completely misses the FACT that fans of the Spiritual Guardian All Blacks have always had to deal with the worst kick off times. 0630 is a treat for us!

For all the hype, I don't think these guys are going to throw the kitchen sink at it.
Not so sure about that, if you listen to the interviewed players in both camps, they treasure the jersey and the honour to play every single test match. Being old rivals, it's just in their DNA. They'll go full tilt.
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LoveOfTheGame wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2023 7:59 am
Muttonbird wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2023 7:14 am
Sandstorm wrote: Wed Aug 23, 2023 3:26 pm

06:30 in Auckland. Still too early for those lazy Kiwis to watch it live.
🫤 I'll be watching this live. Your comment completely misses the FACT that fans of the Spiritual Guardian All Blacks have always had to deal with the worst kick off times. 0630 is a treat for us!

For all the hype, I don't think these guys are going to throw the kitchen sink at it.
Not so sure about that, if you listen to the interviewed players in both camps, they treasure the jersey and the honour to play every single test match. Being old rivals, it's just in their DNA. They'll go full tilt.
I wouldn't expect anything less..
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I've paid for this now so better be good.

Loving the photos of the Braii Gang at Quins ground from about 11am this morning. Hundreds of them.

Going to very unpleasant by kick off of course.
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Slick wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2023 1:29 pm I've paid for this now so better be good.

Loving the photos of the Braii Gang at Quins ground from about 11am this morning. Hundreds of them.

Going to very unpleasant by kick off of course.
How much? I've never bothered with pay per view before.
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SaintK wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2023 2:23 pm
Slick wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2023 1:29 pm I've paid for this now so better be good.

Loving the photos of the Braii Gang at Quins ground from about 11am this morning. Hundreds of them.

Going to very unpleasant by kick off of course.
How much? I've never bothered with pay per view before.
£11 for 24 hours access to the Sky Sports channels
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Slick wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2023 2:29 pm
SaintK wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2023 2:23 pm
Slick wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2023 1:29 pm I've paid for this now so better be good.

Loving the photos of the Braii Gang at Quins ground from about 11am this morning. Hundreds of them.

Going to very unpleasant by kick off of course.
How much? I've never bothered with pay per view before.
£11 for 24 hours access to the Sky Sports channels
You know it's free on Sky Showcase in the UK? Or are you not in the UK?
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Slick wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2023 2:29 pm
SaintK wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2023 2:23 pm
Slick wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2023 1:29 pm I've paid for this now so better be good.

Loving the photos of the Braii Gang at Quins ground from about 11am this morning. Hundreds of them.

Going to very unpleasant by kick off of course.
How much? I've never bothered with pay per view before.
£11 for 24 hours access to the Sky Sports channels
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How in the fuck have I only just realised this game is on tonight and not tomorrow.
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And which team is going to suffer the most impacting injury or red card?
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Will be a dream WC final if this two teams get there.
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2023 4:36 pm Will be a dream WC final if this two teams get there.
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Ymx wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2023 7:21 am No, Steward at 15, as expected. Ford at 10, and Smith on the bench. Might see who leaves the field though when subs are applied.
Farrell is unavailable so Ford might make it through the whole game.
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