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Posted: **Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:33 pm**

Biffer wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:30 pm
Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:28 pm Whatever else in terms of the quality of decision making, bunker system or no, we are seeing no evidence of players modifying behaviour. Just more reds and injuries.
Needs bigger punishments before that changes.

Notable that last night was extremely physical, brutal, and punishing but no high tackles.

I'm doubtful that will alter anything. These reds are costing sides games and in the most important comp there is.

Posted: **Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:33 pm**

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:32 pm
sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:30 pm
ASMO wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:29 pm

Referees need to grow a pair and make a decision instead of contracting it out to the bunker
Predicted it as soon as they brought the bunker system in, we're only going to see on field reds for stuff like obvious punches or head butts from now on.
Does it matter? Assuming they don’t cock up the call here

Exactly, we get better decisions without the waiting around and theatrics from Irish

Posted: **Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:33 pm**

Biffer wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:30 pm
Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:28 pm Whatever else in terms of the quality of decision making, bunker system or no, we are seeing no evidence of players modifying behaviour. Just more reds and injuries.
Needs bigger punishments before that changes.

Notable that last night was extremely physical, brutal, and punishing but no high tackles.

There were a few t that were missed tbh.
However they were marginal.
Point taken

Posted: **Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:34 pm**

Slick wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:29 pm
Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:28 pm Whatever else in terms of the quality of decision making, bunker system or no, we are seeing no evidence of players modifying behaviour. Just more reds and injuries.
Quite. No option but to drop the tackle height now

We could try longer bans too. When the average is 2 - 3 week, depending on whether or not the player has already been through the nonsense 'tackle school' - there's really not a huge amount of deterrent.

Farrell got 4 weeks for his 4th offence FFS.

Posted: **Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:34 pm**

PCPhil wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:32 pm
Biffer wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:30 pm
Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:28 pm Whatever else in terms of the quality of decision making, bunker system or no, we are seeing no evidence of players modifying behaviour. Just more reds and injuries.
Needs bigger punishments before that changes.

Notable that last night was extremely physical, brutal, and punishing but no high tackles.
Great point.

Tbh a lot of this is just Tonga, they love dumb rugby and have done for as long as I’ve watched them

Posted: **Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:34 pm**

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:32 pm
sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:30 pm
ASMO wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:29 pm

Referees need to grow a pair and make a decision instead of contracting it out to the bunker
Predicted it as soon as they brought the bunker system in, we're only going to see on field reds for stuff like obvious punches or head butts from now on.
Does it matter? Assuming they don’t cock up the call here

It probably doesn’t matter in terms of the right penalty, but I wonder if it affects the psychology / severity of saying THAT will not be tolerated, he’s off?

Certainly lessens the drama from a viewer perspective. :)

Posted: **Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:34 pm**

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:33 pm
Biffer wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:30 pm
Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:28 pm Whatever else in terms of the quality of decision making, bunker system or no, we are seeing no evidence of players modifying behaviour. Just more reds and injuries.
Needs bigger punishments before that changes.

Notable that last night was extremely physical, brutal, and punishing but no high tackles.
I'm doubtful that will alter anything. These reds are costing sides games and in the most important comp there is.

Yup, until they actually are forced to start coaching it differently by lowering the height teams are obviously deciding it’s worth the risk

Posted: **Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:35 pm**

Just rewound to the yellow card tackle. How the hell did Dickson not call a pen in real time. He is right there.

Posted: **Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:35 pm**

Niegs wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:34 pm
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:32 pm
sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:30 pm

Predicted it as soon as they brought the bunker system in, we're only going to see on field reds for stuff like obvious punches or head butts from now on.
Does it matter? Assuming they don’t cock up the call here
It probably doesn’t matter in terms of the right penalty, but I wonder if it affects the psychology / severity of saying THAT will not be tolerated, he’s off?

Certainly lessens the drama from a viewer perspective. :)

Which is, in fairness, the point. The baying for cards was clearly influencing refs and taking forever

Posted: **Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:35 pm**

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:33 pm
Biffer wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:30 pm
Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:28 pm Whatever else in terms of the quality of decision making, bunker system or no, we are seeing no evidence of players modifying behaviour. Just more reds and injuries.
Needs bigger punishments before that changes.

Notable that last night was extremely physical, brutal, and punishing but no high tackles.
I'm doubtful that will alter anything. These reds are costing sides games and in the most important comp there is.

I think it will

1. longer suspensions are likely to lead to a need for even bigger squads. Clubs can’t afford that now so pressure from above to change tackle height
2. Players who get banned will get either penalty clauses in contracts or they won’t get contracts at all. Can’t pay expensive players to sit on the pine nowadays.

Posted: **Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:36 pm**

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:32 pm
sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:30 pm
ASMO wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:29 pm

Referees need to grow a pair and make a decision instead of contracting it out to the bunker
Predicted it as soon as they brought the bunker system in, we're only going to see on field reds for stuff like obvious punches or head butts from now on.
Does it matter? Assuming they don’t cock up the call here

I think it was better for the decision to be made at the time with the officials talking through the process. Even if it wasn't 100% right (and neither has the bunker been so far) the audience were at least privy to the rationale. The TMO making the decision and then just announcing to the ref whehter something stays yellow or red, is much more opaque.

Posted: **Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:39 pm**

Slick wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:29 pm
Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:28 pm Whatever else in terms of the quality of decision making, bunker system or no, we are seeing no evidence of players modifying behaviour. Just more reds and injuries.
Quite. No option but to drop the tackle height now

Prep yourself as soon as the WC is over. Was listening to Dr Ross Tucker’s podcast a couple of weeks ago and he hinted at a WR announcement he wasn’t allowed to reveal. His co-host didn’t dig but I bet it’s a global tackle height drop (sternum would be my guess, if it happens).

Posted: **Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:40 pm**

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:35 pm
Niegs wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:34 pm
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:32 pm

Does it matter? Assuming they don’t cock up the call here
It probably doesn’t matter in terms of the right penalty, but I wonder if it affects the psychology / severity of saying THAT will not be tolerated, he’s off?

Certainly lessens the drama from a viewer perspective. :)
Which is, in fairness, the point. The baying for cards was clearly influencing refs and taking forever

Very good point.

Posted: **Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:43 pm**

Niegs wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:39 pm
Slick wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:29 pm
Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:28 pm Whatever else in terms of the quality of decision making, bunker system or no, we are seeing no evidence of players modifying behaviour. Just more reds and injuries.
Quite. No option but to drop the tackle height now
Prep yourself as soon as the WC is over. Was listening to Dr Ross Tucker’s podcast a couple of weeks ago and he hinted at a WR announcement he wasn’t allowed to reveal. His co-host didn’t dig but I bet it’s a global tackle height drop (sternum would be my guess, if it happens).

Great if it happens. Sick of this unwanted import from Sumoball.

Posted: **Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:45 pm**

ASMO wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:25 pm How is that not just a straight red, about as clear cut as they get

I read elsewhere that barring an obvious punch/gouge etc, refs have been directed to use the bunker.
Saw it mentioned and doubted it, but the person saying it was pretty sure. I haven't seen the official guidelines to that effect, though.

Posted: **Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:49 pm**

Lol, how have they given that as a yellow?

Posted: **Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:49 pm**

That’s a fucking joke.

Posted: **Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:49 pm**

Posted: **Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:49 pm**

Posted: **Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:49 pm**

Yellow

Fuck off

Posted: **Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:50 pm**

That’s absolutely mental

Posted: **Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:50 pm**

How the fuck is there any mitigation there? It’s the most obvious straight red I’ve seen in forever.

Posted: **Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:50 pm**

Unbelievable. No credibility in that decision at all. Ritchie dropped his height as soon as he received the ball and took a couple of steps before he was hit. Disgraceful decision,

Posted: **Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:52 pm**

Niegs wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:39 pm
Slick wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:29 pm
Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:28 pm Whatever else in terms of the quality of decision making, bunker system or no, we are seeing no evidence of players modifying behaviour. Just more reds and injuries.
Quite. No option but to drop the tackle height now
Prep yourself as soon as the WC is over. Was listening to Dr Ross Tucker’s podcast a couple of weeks ago and he hinted at a WR announcement he wasn’t allowed to reveal. His co-host didn’t dig but I bet it’s a global tackle height drop (sternum would be my guess, if it happens).

I don’t see how this will solve anything. People aren’t hitting high because the rules permit it, they’re hitting high because it’s inherently advantageous in this sport. In fact, I can’t see how this won’t mean MORE cards and endlessly bickering about how much sanction every single contact should warrant.

Posted: **Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:52 pm**

Looks like there is a different threshold for headshots. If it's against a Scot, it's okay?

Posted: **Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:52 pm**

We lose our captain for 45 minutes and they lose a man for 10.

Posted: **Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:52 pm**

Colossally dumb rugby from Scotland, are you England in disguise

Posted: **Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:52 pm**

Our own worst enemy.

Posted: **Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:53 pm**

Citing commissioner was entirely independent. A Mr Seames O'rourke.

Posted: **Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:53 pm**

One for you Torq

Posted: **Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:54 pm**

Whittaker try

Posted: **Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:55 pm**

What was Harris doing there?

Posted: **Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:55 pm**

Not sure what Ben White was playing at taking the quick throw in . Was never going to be a good outcome.

Posted: **Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:57 pm**

Whitehouse is a grade a cock.

Posted: **Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:57 pm**

Yr Alban wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:50 pm How the fuck is there any mitigation there? It’s the most obvious straight red I’ve seen in forever.

This! Wtf are they sniffing

Posted: **Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:58 pm**

Whitehouse and Dickson are terrible referees.

Posted: **Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:59 pm**

Fonz wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:52 pm
Niegs wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:39 pm
Slick wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:29 pm

Quite. No option but to drop the tackle height now
Prep yourself as soon as the WC is over. Was listening to Dr Ross Tucker’s podcast a couple of weeks ago and he hinted at a WR announcement he wasn’t allowed to reveal. His co-host didn’t dig but I bet it’s a global tackle height drop (sternum would be my guess, if it happens).
I don’t see how this will solve anything. People aren’t hitting high because the rules permit it, they’re hitting high because it’s inherently advantageous in this sport. In fact, I can’t see how this won’t mean MORE cards and endlessly bickering about how much sanction every single contact should warrant.

That’s the point, coaches have decided it’s worth the risk to keep hitting that high. Lower the permitted height and it won’t be near the head even if it’s slightly illegal

Posted: **Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:59 pm**

Great kick by Piatau. Nothing to be done there.

Posted: **Sun Sep 24, 2023 5:00 pm**

Blackmac wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:52 pm We lose our captain for 45 minutes and they lose a man for 10.

Dupont feels your pain.

Posted: **Sun Sep 24, 2023 5:01 pm**

Should have taken the 3 there!

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