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Posted: **Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:40 pm**

sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:35 pm
Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:32 pm
sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:30 pm I don't often agree with Ugo, but he's right. "If it's not clear and obvious, why are we looking at it?"

Tier 2 (ignore Eng's ranking). Other way around and we would not be looking at it.

Rugby is a laughing stock.
I know, but England don't even need to win this, so what's the point in giving tier 2 more evidence for their grievances?

It's been there for so long, it's permanently ingrained (plus WR will be making its stance clear). I still cringe at Paddy O'Lyin's performance in '99 to cheat Fiji out of a win against France. At least O'Lyin belatedly admitted that he'd "lost the plot" (his own words) but only after he'd retired and it did not matter.

Posted: **Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:40 pm**

petej wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:33 pm
sefton wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:29 pm What a crock of shit.
Agreed. Bullshit.

Come on fearless leader, hero boy and english rugby media darling show some leadership.

Clearly Steve hasn’t told him what to do if they are behind.

Posted: **Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:42 pm**

Steve will have told him to look for the positives.

Posted: **Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:43 pm**

sefton wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:37 pm Farrell shit his trousers there.

He did sterling work to ensure that the half closed out without giving Samoa the chance to cause any more damage.

Leadership!

Posted: **Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:45 pm**

Remembering the commentators on Eng's last match against Chile saying 'we'd arrived'

Posted: **Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:46 pm**

To repeat, 2 qualifiers from this pool is a farce. A proper seeding and nobody makes the 1/4s.

Posted: **Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:48 pm**

Punter15 wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:40 pm
petej wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:33 pm
sefton wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:29 pm What a crock of shit.
Agreed. Bullshit.

Come on fearless leader, hero boy and english rugby media darling show some leadership.
Clearly Steve hasn’t told him what to do if they are behind.

We happened upon some balance and have now lost it. He hasn't been selected on merit. We could have gone Mitchell, Ford, May, Tuilagi/Lawrence, Marchant, Arundell and Steward.

Posted: **Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:51 pm**

May should be playing in the Premiership Rugby Cup.

Posted: **Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:52 pm**

Hal Jordan wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:51 pm May should be playing in the Premiership Rugby Cup.

So should Daly and Farrell.

Posted: **Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:52 pm**

Hal Jordan wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:51 pm May should be playing in the Premiership Rugby Cup.

His fall from form was spectacular. Hero to zero in under a year.

Posted: **Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:53 pm**

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:52 pm
Hal Jordan wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:51 pm May should be playing in the Premiership Rugby Cup.
His fall from form was spectacular. Hero to zero in under a year.

Once a pacy winger loses his pace, that's that.

Posted: **Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:55 pm**

Ben Earl is a cunt and 40 years ago would have been on the receiving end of many a sly dig.

Posted: **Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:57 pm**

Paiaua is as slow as Steward.

Posted: **Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:57 pm**

Great tackle by Ford to stop a certain try.

Posted: **Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:57 pm**

Hal Jordan wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:55 pm Ben Earl is a cunt and 40 years ago would have been on the receiving end of many a sly dig.

He is loathsome

Posted: **Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:58 pm**

Hal Jordan wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:53 pm
Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:52 pm
Hal Jordan wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:51 pm May should be playing in the Premiership Rugby Cup.
His fall from form was spectacular. Hero to zero in under a year.
Once a pacy winger loses his pace, that's that.

Weird that in England we tend to wait too long to start pacy wingers and then hang on to them too long once they have lost their pace. New Zealand are good at playing wingers at their best and then dumping them.

Ugo - Farrell with the try saving tackle. Ford you prick

Posted: **Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:58 pm**

Great tackle, but lets be honest how as an outside back do you get ran down by Ford.

Posted: **Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:59 pm**

Wow, actually some criticism of England by the ITV commentary team!

Posted: **Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:00 pm**

petej wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:58 pm
Hal Jordan wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:53 pm
Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:52 pm

His fall from form was spectacular. Hero to zero in under a year.
Once a pacy winger loses his pace, that's that.
Weird that in England we tend to wait too long to start pacy wingers and then hang on to them too long once they have lost their pace. New Zealand are good at playing wingers at their best and then dumping them.

Ugo - Farrell with the try saving tackle. Ford you prick

Said it before, but it's the NFL running back analogy. Flog the crap out of them for six or seven years and move on as soon as production drops even a bit.

Posted: **Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:00 pm**

Lady P wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:57 pm
Hal Jordan wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:55 pm Ben Earl is a cunt and 40 years ago would have been on the receiving end of many a sly dig.
He is loathsome

Totally. The entire Eng U20 squad seemed to have taken behavioural lessons from him and Itoje. It's actually made worse by them not being very good.

Posted: **Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:01 pm**

el capitan wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 4:58 pm Great tackle, but lets be honest how as an outside back do you get ran down by Ford.

See my earlier post.

Posted: **Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:02 pm**

Vunipola on to add some pace to the proceedings.

Posted: **Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:03 pm**

Bizarre thing is that May had been dropped from the squad, they know he is done..... Then an injury to Watson and he's not only back in the squad but first choice winger.

Loads in that category though, it's a disgrace that the likes of Cole, Vunipola, Youngs, Care, Tuilagi etc. have been selected in a 2023 world cup squad. That's before you get to the non-existent form of Sinckler, Daly, and so many others.

Posted: **Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:03 pm**

Why did he kick there?

Posted: **Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:04 pm**

our midfield misses Marchant defensively.

We've lost structure and discipline.

Posted: **Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:05 pm**

Ford off and Farrell to FH

Posted: **Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:05 pm**

Ford: Runs the show without Farrell. So sidelined as soon as Captain Fantastic returns and subbed.

Posted: **Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:07 pm**

Oh fuck you Borthwick you utter cunt

Posted: **Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:07 pm**

"Sack is good".

Penalty.

Posted: **Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:07 pm**

I kind of hope we lose now to teach us a lesson about shitty selection.

Posted: **Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:08 pm**

sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:07 pm I kind of hope we lose now to teach us a lesson about shitty selection.

You are beyond delusional if you think a loss would change Borthwick's thinking.

Posted: **Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:09 pm**

This is how we were trying to get over the line under Johnson with Borthwick as captain. Beyond frustrating to watch.

Posted: **Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:09 pm**

Clearly hanging on, should be a penalty, but, surprise, not given

Posted: **Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:09 pm**

S/Lt_Phillips wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:09 pm Clearly holding on, should be a penalty, but, surprise, not given

Posted: **Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:09 pm**

S/Lt_Phillips wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:09 pm Clearly hanging on, should be a penalty, but, surprise, not given

I saw that as well.

Posted: **Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:10 pm**

sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:07 pm I kind of hope we lose now to teach us a lesson about shitty selection.

As per that likely try, we'll probably out bludgeon them to an ugly win.

Posted: **Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:10 pm**

Second movement for me

Posted: **Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:10 pm**

Surely Genge has to stay on his feet there

Posted: **Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:11 pm**

I like the way the TJ has to explain to Brace why it's not a try

Posted: **Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:11 pm**

Correct call.

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