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Slick wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 6:10 pm
On reflection, it was a bit over the top

No drama. I didn't mean to sound flippant and get where you were coming from.

Still not forgivable, but the guy on the floor who got a boot in the face was not restrained, and the person stood over them appears to be a female relation of his, not a cop.

Margin__Walker wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 7:13 pm

Slick wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 6:10 pm
On reflection, it was a bit over the top

No drama. I didn't mean to sound flippant and get where you were coming from.

Raggs wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 7:16 pm Still not forgivable, but the guy on the floor who got a boot in the face was not restrained, and the person stood over them appears to be a female relation of his, not a cop.

He's face down on the floor and it's his elderly mother

Guy Smiley wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 7:38 pm

Raggs wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 7:16 pm Still not forgivable, but the guy on the floor who got a boot in the face was not restrained, and the person stood over them appears to be a female relation of his, not a cop.

He's face down on the floor and it's his elderly mother

Yes. But I, and others, said that he was already restrained when he was kicked, which he wasn't. Looks like he was potentially tazed to be on the floor like that.

I'll say just one thing, not having viewed any footage.

Couldn't have happened to a nicer airport.

Full footage coming out of Manchester shows the whole incident. The twat on the ground has knocked down two female officers with punches to the head he then attacks the male officer from behind when he has his taser drawn on the other male. Throws numerous punches to his head and grapples for the taser. The cop turns, grabs him, rolls him to the ground and gets up. The kick is a lot more of a dynamic and spontaneous reaction than the initial footage shown. I would say the fucker I lucky he survived, never mind getting a kick to the head. You just knew there was more to see after Andy Burnham changed his tune.

Always wait for the full footage eh.

Hopefully lengthy prison sentences for all those who assaulted police officers.

In the interest of balance, if any pair of lads were asking for a kicking, it was those two.

I really felt it was going to be hard to justify his actions, but the cops assertion that he was fighting to retain his weapon is more than justified from the footage. The biggest issue I have is how the violent little cunt who was kicked is not locked up.

Earlier footage leaked

https://x.com/KosherCockney/status/1817248101372940418

Guy Smiley wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 7:38 pm

Raggs wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2024 7:16 pm Still not forgivable, but the guy on the floor who got a boot in the face was not restrained, and the person stood over them appears to be a female relation of his, not a cop.

He's face down on the floor and it's his elderly mother

He's 19. How old is she.

BnM wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 6:16 pm Earlier footage leaked

https://x.com/KosherCockney/status/1817248101372940418

Basically everything claimed by these twats and their spiv, crooked lawyer is bollocks.

Hypothetically the cop is outnumbered, two of his colleagues knocked out of the game. He is assaulted from
behind, injured, dazed, scared, put in a headlock and feels his assailant is trying to get his firearm. Potentially catastrophic consequences in a crowded airport. At that point he is allowed to use any force necessary including lethal.

Thank fuck one of us called it

Slick wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 6:31 pm Thank fuck one of us called it

I reckon he is still on a sticky wicket but once he has the best lawyers available with the hundreds of thousands that will be Crowdfunded for his defence he has a good shout.

Let's face it if politicians and senior officers had more backbone or the two lads that got the doing where white lads in England tops no one would be giving a fuck.

I think I'll wait until all the info is out before making any comment.
As an aside GMP are known as being a bunch of crooks, thugs perverts and chancers.
Over the last few years there has been scandal after scandal, I've got a fewfriends who have rerired from the force and they have told me the level of criminality is astounding.

Slick wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 6:31 pm Thank fuck one of us called it

my opinion hasn't changed other than he definitely deserves a kicking rather than only possibly.

I think they're still the most bent force still despite what's said. That said, it doesn't change what happened here.

Be interesting to see what happens.

C69 wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 6:38 pm I think I'll wait until all the info is out before making any comment.
As an aside GMP are known as being a bunch of crooks, thugs perverts and chancers.
Over the last few years there has been scandal after scandal, I've got a fewfriends who have rerired from the force and they have told me the level of criminality is astounding.

It would appear that could be the case. I had an interesting and varied career in Scotland, every day in front line policing of some description, and I can honestly say it is not a description of policing I recognise. Whether the size and greater levels of criminality generally in these larger organisations make it more possible I don't know but I have little comprehension of that ever being the case in Scottish forces. Obviously the odd bad apple but nothing endemic.

Blackmac wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 6:24 pm Basically everything claimed by these twats and their spiv, crooked lawyer is bollocks.

Hypothetically the cop is outnumbered, two of his colleagues knocked out of the game. He is assaulted from
behind, injured, dazed, scared, put in a headlock and feels his assailant is trying to get his firearm. Potentially catastrophic consequences in a crowded airport. At that point he is allowed to use any force necessary including lethal.

The brawl is over and the guy is prostrate on the ground and presumably tazered. The vid BnM posted cuts before the head stomping which doesn't allow time to be accurately gauged.

Still looks like assault, the only purpose head stomping serves after the fact is to injure him.

The vid does show something I said up thread that anyone who has been in a brawl knows. Sometimes people on your side can be a liability and injuries you think come from the other side were instead inflicted by members of your side, pretty sure looking at that the mother was injured by one of the sons.

_Os_ wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 6:58 pm

Blackmac wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 6:24 pm Basically everything claimed by these twats and their spiv, crooked lawyer is bollocks.

Hypothetically the cop is outnumbered, two of his colleagues knocked out of the game. He is assaulted from
behind, injured, dazed, scared, put in a headlock and feels his assailant is trying to get his firearm. Potentially catastrophic consequences in a crowded airport. At that point he is allowed to use any force necessary including lethal.

The brawl is over and the guy is prostrate on the ground and presumably tazered. The vid BnM posted cuts before the head stomping which doesn't allow time to be accurately gauged.

Still looks like assault, the only purpose head stomping serves after the fact is to injure him.

The vid does show something I said up thread that anyone who has been in a brawl knows. Sometimes people on your side can be a liability and injuries you think come from the other side were instead inflicted by members of your side, pretty sure looking at that the mother was injured by one of the sons.

That's easy to say from the comfort of your couch when you have not had someone punch you a few times to the back of your head and try to chokehold you.

It looks like the cop takes a second to assess the situation when he gets to his feet. The lad looks towards him and the cop thinks fuck that I'm not giving you the opportunity. You already tried once and I'm surrounded by your mates. It's hard to subdue someone without injuring them!!
Cops are entitled to use what would otherwise be considered criminal force in violent situations.

Blackmac wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 6:48 pm

C69 wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 6:38 pm I think I'll wait until all the info is out before making any comment.
As an aside GMP are known as being a bunch of crooks, thugs perverts and chancers.
Over the last few years there has been scandal after scandal, I've got a fewfriends who have rerired from the force and they have told me the level of criminality is astounding.

It would appear that could be the case. I had an interesting and varied career in Scotland, every day in front line policing of some description, and I can honestly say it is not a description of policing I recognise. Whether the size and greater levels of criminality generally in these larger organisations make it more possible I don't know but I have little comprehension of that ever being the case in Scottish forces. Obviously the odd bad apple but nothing endemic.

The Baird report is just the tip of the iceberg, the GMP have industrial scale levels of corruption and criminal infiltration.
It's a cess pit

Blackmac wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 7:25 pm

_Os_ wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 6:58 pm

Blackmac wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 6:24 pm Basically everything claimed by these twats and their spiv, crooked lawyer is bollocks.

Hypothetically the cop is outnumbered, two of his colleagues knocked out of the game. He is assaulted from
behind, injured, dazed, scared, put in a headlock and feels his assailant is trying to get his firearm. Potentially catastrophic consequences in a crowded airport. At that point he is allowed to use any force necessary including lethal.

The brawl is over and the guy is prostrate on the ground and presumably tazered. The vid BnM posted cuts before the head stomping which doesn't allow time to be accurately gauged.

Still looks like assault, the only purpose head stomping serves after the fact is to injure him.

The vid does show something I said up thread that anyone who has been in a brawl knows. Sometimes people on your side can be a liability and injuries you think come from the other side were instead inflicted by members of your side, pretty sure looking at that the mother was injured by one of the sons.

That's easy to say from the comfort of your couch when you have not had someone punch you a few times to the back of your head and try to chokehold you.

It looks like the cop takes a second to assess the situation when he gets to his feet. The lad looks towards him and the cop thinks fuck that I'm not giving you the opportunity. You already tried once and I'm surrounded by your mates. It's hard to subdue someone without injuring them!!
Cops are entitled to use what would otherwise be considered criminal force in violent situations.

I think you’ll find OS has googled this

Blackmac wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 7:25 pm

_Os_ wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 6:58 pm

Blackmac wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 6:24 pm Basically everything claimed by these twats and their spiv, crooked lawyer is bollocks.

Hypothetically the cop is outnumbered, two of his colleagues knocked out of the game. He is assaulted from
behind, injured, dazed, scared, put in a headlock and feels his assailant is trying to get his firearm. Potentially catastrophic consequences in a crowded airport. At that point he is allowed to use any force necessary including lethal.

The brawl is over and the guy is prostrate on the ground and presumably tazered. The vid BnM posted cuts before the head stomping which doesn't allow time to be accurately gauged.

Still looks like assault, the only purpose head stomping serves after the fact is to injure him.

The vid does show something I said up thread that anyone who has been in a brawl knows. Sometimes people on your side can be a liability and injuries you think come from the other side were instead inflicted by members of your side, pretty sure looking at that the mother was injured by one of the sons.

That's easy to say from the comfort of your couch when you have not had someone punch you a few times to the back of your head and try to chokehold you.

It looks like the cop takes a second to assess the situation when he gets to his feet. The lad looks towards him and the cop thinks fuck that I'm not giving you the opportunity. You already tried once and I'm surrounded by your mates. It's hard to subdue someone without injuring them!!
Cops are entitled to use what would otherwise be considered criminal force in violent situations.

Tommy Twelve Names (today he is supporting the police) has put up a slightly longer video that includes the first kick. The policeman who does the head stomping is also the one who threw the first punch when the brother who didn't like the other brother (who ends up head stomped) being arrested intervenes by grabbing the policeman's arm/shoulder and gets a punch for his troubles, after which the brawl ensues. That looks justifiable from the policeman to me, grabbing anyone isn't a good move, even less so a policeman.

Kicking a prone man in the head? Nah can't see how that's defence. The time gap isn't large, it is seconds, his only defence is that the brawl was still ongoing. I mean it wasn't ongoing, but that's what I would be going with.

Still not known what started all this. The lawyer is now going with the version I saw on Twitter which seemed the more likely of the versions floating around (they weren't passengers so all the stuff about refusing to be strip searched doesn't seem likely).

_Os_ wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 8:14 pm

Blackmac wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 7:25 pm

_Os_ wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 6:58 pm
The brawl is over and the guy is prostrate on the ground and presumably tazered. The vid BnM posted cuts before the head stomping which doesn't allow time to be accurately gauged.

Still looks like assault, the only purpose head stomping serves after the fact is to injure him.

The vid does show something I said up thread that anyone who has been in a brawl knows. Sometimes people on your side can be a liability and injuries you think come from the other side were instead inflicted by members of your side, pretty sure looking at that the mother was injured by one of the sons.

That's easy to say from the comfort of your couch when you have not had someone punch you a few times to the back of your head and try to chokehold you.

It looks like the cop takes a second to assess the situation when he gets to his feet. The lad looks towards him and the cop thinks fuck that I'm not giving you the opportunity. You already tried once and I'm surrounded by your mates. It's hard to subdue someone without injuring them!!
Cops are entitled to use what would otherwise be considered criminal force in violent situations.

Tommy Twelve Names (today he is supporting the police) has put up a slightly longer video that includes the first kick. The policeman who does the head stomping is also the one who threw the first punch when the brother who didn't like the other brother (who ends up head stomped) being arrested intervenes by grabbing the policeman's arm/shoulder and gets a punch for his troubles, after which the brawl ensues. That looks justifiable from the policeman to me, grabbing anyone isn't a good move, even less so a policeman.

Kicking a prone man in the head? Nah can't see how that's defence. The time gap isn't large, it is seconds, his only defence is that the brawl was still ongoing. I mean it wasn't ongoing, but that's what I would be going with.

Still not known what started all this. The lawyer is now going with the version I saw on Twitter which seemed the more likely of the versions floating around (they weren't passengers so all the stuff about refusing to be strip searched doesn't seem likely).

I think it's impossible to say who threw the first punch as most of the initial movement can't really be seen. There is a few seconds of struggle before hands are raised but clearly fat brother is fighting. Ultimately it doesn't really matter what the initial incident was but the level of violence been shown by the brothers before one is tazered and one is knocked to the ground is astonishing. How they are walking the streets is even more astonishing. Absolutely cowardly by whoever made that decision.

99% of people have never been involved in a violent situation in their lives and have no comprehension of the emotions involved. I was attacked with a knife as a young cop, I managed the disarm him and engage in a violent struggle and got the opportunity to stamp on his arm, knowing, and with the full intention of breaking it. People who have never been in that situation are outraged that a cop would deliberately break someone's arm but it was perfectly justified and I would do the same any day of the week in a similar situation.

Stampy still in the wrong with the kick to the head. And I'm still surprised that they've been released so quickly, regardless of bail

Bastards need 12 years in chokey then deported, cuntz

I'm not a fighter but those two brothers looked quite handy in that fight and surely you can't fanny about with folk like that?

robmatic wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 9:12 pm I'm not a fighter but those two brothers looked quite handy in that fight and surely you can't fanny about with folk like that?

Any other country, they would have been shot .

Play stupid games and you put yourself on the position to win stupid prizes.

You fight armed police officers at an airport (a bloody airport!) and I feel that this is really not an unlikely outcome.

It might not have been "by the book" policing but by Christ in comparison to many parts of the world that response by the police was positively restrained. In many countries I suspect one or all of the suspects would have just been shot.

Blackmac wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 8:35 pm I think it's impossible to say who threw the first punch as most of the initial movement can't really be seen. There is a few seconds of struggle before hands are raised but clearly fat brother is fighting. Ultimately it doesn't really matter what the initial incident was but the level of violence been shown by the brothers before one is tazered and one is knocked to the ground is astonishing. How they are walking the streets is even more astonishing. Absolutely cowardly by whoever made that decision.

They don't look to be strangers to fighting, maybe some boxing training. Pretty obvious they were let out to avoid the town being burned down, probably why this has been leaked too.

Blackmac wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 8:35 pm 99% of people have never been involved in a violent situation in their lives and have no comprehension of the emotions involved. I was attacked with a knife as a young cop, I managed the disarm him and engage in a violent struggle and got the opportunity to stamp on his arm, knowing, and with the full intention of breaking it. People who have never been in that situation are outraged that a cop would deliberately break someone's arm but it was perfectly justified and I would do the same any day of the week in a similar situation.

Tends to be two types, those that lose a lot of control to those emotions and those who remain completely normal/coherent. The latter are literal psychos and/or have trained a lot. Aiming to break a guy's arm who has pulled a knife? I would be running!

bogbunny wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 9:06 pm Bastards need 12 years in chokey then deported, cuntz

Are they foreign nationals? It's been reported that another brother is a police officer in the Manchester force.

This is a real question, I don't know.


On the question earlier about whether or not it's okay for a police officer to kick a prostrate person in the face, then stamp on their head, then drop a knee on their kidney area - the most recent video shows the guy on the ground flexing in a way that suggests he was tasered, he was flat out and not able to move. It was at that point he was kicked in the face and then had his head stamped on.

This guy was not like, for example, the bastard who was running around at Borough Market in London, stabbing people randomly.

I think we all want our police officers to act in the most professional way.

Blackmac wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 8:35 pm
99% of people have never been involved in a violent situation in their lives and have no comprehension of the emotions involved.

Haha, it's so funny you say that. Was just watching it on the news with my mum. She was criticising the officer who stamped and I was just about to take issue with her but then realised she's never (to my knowledge) been in a fight in her life. It's just a simple case of folk not knowing what's it like to be in that officers shoes.

If anything I think that situation could have been far, far worse for the suspects. They can consider themselves lucky to be alive imo. To fight with armed police in an airport of all places is just crazy.

Hugo wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 9:25 pm You fight armed police officers at an airport (a bloody airport!) and I feel that this is really not an unlikely outcome.

It might not have been "by the book" policing but by Christ in comparison to many parts of the world that response by the police was positively restrained. In many countries I suspect one or all of the suspects would have just been shot.

I've been reading this response a lot - "they were lucky they weren't killed instantly for reacting against police officers"

I'm very glad that isn't the normal outcome in that situation in the UK, we should protect that, it's very important.

- and for the police officers too

I see the police are now appealing for witnesses to three separate incidents in and around the airport involving this group and also an incident on an Emirates flight that had arrived shortly before. I'm also hearing that the brothers have now been rearrested and charged. All very intriguing.

I mean if this was one of those drunken brawls in town on a Saturday night this situation would make a lot more sense. I just can't even begin to fathom how crazy you would have to be to cause a ruckus in an airport.

When I enter an airport I just have to put myself in the mindset that I really have no power. If I want to get safely to my destination I need to comply with all the security and airline professionals trying to do their job even if I find some of their directives irritating. Actually fighting armed police officers? Utterly batshit.

Tichtheid wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 9:36 pm

Hugo wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 9:25 pm You fight armed police officers at an airport (a bloody airport!) and I feel that this is really not an unlikely outcome.

It might not have been "by the book" policing but by Christ in comparison to many parts of the world that response by the police was positively restrained. In many countries I suspect one or all of the suspects would have just been shot.

I've been reading this response a lot - "they were lucky they weren't killed instantly for reacting against police officers"

I'm very glad that isn't the normal outcome in that situation in the UK, we should protect that, it's very important.

- and for the police officers too

Agreed, but I think we should appreciate that though and realise the pressure this puts officers under and in general admire the restraint it takes rather than focusing in too much on the odd poor reaction which ultimately did little or no damage. In many many countries around the world, this is ending fatally for this two lads and not an eyebrow would be raised

Blackmac wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 9:48 pm

Tichtheid wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 9:36 pm

Hugo wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 9:25 pm You fight armed police officers at an airport (a bloody airport!) and I feel that this is really not an unlikely outcome.

It might not have been "by the book" policing but by Christ in comparison to many parts of the world that response by the police was positively restrained. In many countries I suspect one or all of the suspects would have just been shot.

I've been reading this response a lot - "they were lucky they weren't killed instantly for reacting against police officers"

I'm very glad that isn't the normal outcome in that situation in the UK, we should protect that, it's very important.

- and for the police officers too

Agreed, but I think we should appreciate that though and realise the pressure this puts officers under and in general admire the restraint it takes rather than focusing in too much on the odd poor reaction which ultimately did little or no damage. In many many countries around the world, this is ending fatally for this two lads and not an eyebrow would be raised

In many, many countries around the world, this would NOT result in fatals for the perpetrators. It's a terrible line to try and use in justifying anything.

Blackmac wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 9:48 pm

Tichtheid wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 9:36 pm

Hugo wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 9:25 pm You fight armed police officers at an airport (a bloody airport!) and I feel that this is really not an unlikely outcome.

It might not have been "by the book" policing but by Christ in comparison to many parts of the world that response by the police was positively restrained. In many countries I suspect one or all of the suspects would have just been shot.

I've been reading this response a lot - "they were lucky they weren't killed instantly for reacting against police officers"

I'm very glad that isn't the normal outcome in that situation in the UK, we should protect that, it's very important.

- and for the police officers too

Agreed, but I think we should appreciate that though and realise the pressure this puts officers under and in general admire the restraint it takes rather than focusing in too much on the odd poor reaction which ultimately did little or no damage. In many many countries around the world, this is ending fatally for this two lads and not an eyebrow would be raised

This time, so far it did no damage that we know of, but remember the guy who was pushed to the ground in London by a police officer at a march and subsequently died?

Most of the officers in that extended video looked like they acted professionally, one really didn't.