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OomStruisbaai wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:46 am Whats wrong with Sale?

Nothing?

Slick wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:38 am

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:46 am Whats wrong with Sale?

Nothing?

Teams are suppose to do one for all, stick together.

Teams would be better supporting each other whatever their views are. Well done, Sale.

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:04 pm

Slick wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:38 am

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:46 am Whats wrong with Sale?

Nothing?

Teams are suppose to do one for all, stick together.

They're all wearing the t-shirt. How much virtue signalling do you need?

Ali Cadoo wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:37 pm Teams would be better supporting each other whatever their views are. Well done, Sale.

Yep they played like that. Every player on his own

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 4:35 pm

Ali Cadoo wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:37 pm Teams would be better supporting each other whatever their views are. Well done, Sale.

Yep they played like that. Every player on his own

No, they didn’t play like that, genius. If they’d supported each other more they would have played better, with more continuity. More support lines, quicker rucks, etc.

Do you watch much rugby?

Ali Cadoo wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 4:45 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 4:35 pm

Ali Cadoo wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:37 pm Teams would be better supporting each other whatever their views are. Well done, Sale.

Yep they played like that. Every player on his own

No, they didn’t play like that, genius. If they’d supported each other more they would have played better, with more continuity. More support lines, quicker rucks, etc.

Do you watch much rugby?

I watched many of that Sales players since school days.

They played kak.

True. I thought Dimes’ comment afterwards that they remained a good team only on paper and not on grass was laudable. Still, it was only a first hit out.

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 6:04 pm

Ali Cadoo wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 4:45 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 4:35 pm

Yep they played like that. Every player on his own

No, they didn’t play like that, genius. If they’d supported each other more they would have played better, with more continuity. More support lines, quicker rucks, etc.

Do you watch much rugby?

I watched many of that Sales players since school days.

They played kak.

Not uncommon for Sale even prior to the team ever so slightly differentiating in their presentation of marking anti-racist sentiment.

You're confusing correlation with causation.

Ali Cadoo wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 6:26 pm True. I thought Dimes’ comment afterwards that they remained a good team only on paper and not on grass was laudable. Still, it was only a first hit out.

Would've been more impressive if he'd not chucked in a ref whinge.

I dunno, I like Dimes - I’m not aware of any players ever expressing any negativity towards him... a few journalists, maybe, but no players. Obvs, I’m prepared to be corrected on that!

Hal Jordan wrote: Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:41 pm Wahey! We won!

Now let us never speak of this match again.

But ... I compare the game to the opening SRA game in NZ and weep for my NH cousins.

Forgive them Lord for they know not what they are missing.

Enzedder wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 7:35 pm

Hal Jordan wrote: Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:41 pm Wahey! We won!

Now let us never speak of this match again.

But ... I compare the game to the opening SRA game in NZ and weep for my NH cousins.

Forgive them Lord for they know not what they are missing.

It was poor, very poor. But I remember the opening SRA game was poor too. A penalty ridden rusty affair.

Monye summed it up pretty well, no player should be forced to kneel, it is their choice and nothing should be inferred from that. He used the example of De Jager who he knew would not kneel, but then told people that De Jager had adopted a black child so anyone inferring he is racist for not kneeling should fuck off....my words not his

Enzedder wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 7:35 pm

Hal Jordan wrote: Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:41 pm Wahey! We won!

Now let us never speak of this match again.

But ... I compare the game to the opening SRA game in NZ and weep for my NH cousins.

Forgive them Lord for they know not what they are missing.

We've had shit games in SR NZ too. But more importantly:

SR NZ: 3 month gap between SR and SR NZ
Premiership: 5 month gap between matches in the Premiership and a much longer lockdown & social distancing than NZ meaning much less time together

SR NZ: Opening game not played in a monsoon after a heatwave
Premiership:

Bad games can happen but dick-waving from the Southern Hemisphere isn't needed here.

JM2K6 wrote: Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:19 am

Enzedder wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 7:35 pm

Hal Jordan wrote: Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:41 pm Wahey! We won!

Now let us never speak of this match again.

But ... I compare the game to the opening SRA game in NZ and weep for my NH cousins.

Forgive them Lord for they know not what they are missing.

We've had shit games in SR NZ too. But more importantly:

SR NZ: 3 month gap between SR and SR NZ
Premiership: 5 month gap between matches in the Premiership and a much longer lockdown & social distancing than NZ meaning much less time together

SR NZ: Opening game not played in a monsoon after a heatwave
Premiership:

Bad games can happen but dick-waving from the Southern Hemisphere isn't needed here.

Just can't help it!!!
Excellent match at Franklins Gardens yesterday

Ali Cadoo wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 6:48 pm I dunno, I like Dimes - I’m not aware of any players ever expressing any negativity towards him... a few journalists, maybe, but no players. Obvs, I’m prepared to be corrected on that!

Won't be any journalists left soon either.



Justice is coming.

lemonhead wrote: Mon Aug 17, 2020 2:01 pm

Ali Cadoo wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 6:48 pm I dunno, I like Dimes - I’m not aware of any players ever expressing any negativity towards him... a few journalists, maybe, but no players. Obvs, I’m prepared to be corrected on that!

Won't be any journalists left soon either.



Justice is coming.

Fucking hell

JM2K6 wrote: Mon Aug 17, 2020 2:49 pm

lemonhead wrote: Mon Aug 17, 2020 2:01 pm

Ali Cadoo wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 6:48 pm I dunno, I like Dimes - I’m not aware of any players ever expressing any negativity towards him... a few journalists, maybe, but no players. Obvs, I’m prepared to be corrected on that!

Won't be any journalists left soon either.



Justice is coming.

Fucking hell

Yeah. Faletau ahead of Billy V ... knobhead.

Not watched the video, but Faletau was completely anonymous on Saturday. Don't remember his name being mentioned on comms.

Margin__Walker wrote: Mon Aug 17, 2020 3:31 pm Not watched the video, but Faletau was completely anonymous on Saturday. Don't remember his name being mentioned on comms.

The surprise is more the fact that Steve Diamond called him up and seems to have threatened him

His Dimes impression is pretty funny too.

Clearly should have watched the video...

Nols wrote: Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:44 pm His Dimes impression is pretty funny too.

It's not him, it's a podcaster he knows. Still a good impression :D.

Sports minister Nathi Mthethwa has asked SA Rugby to make a pronouncement on the actions of eight South African players who refused to kneel in support of the Black Lives Matter (BLM) movement ahead of a match that was played in England at the weekend.

https://www.timeslive.co.za/sport/rugby ... n-england/

Unbelievable. Even when players leave SA to escape that sort of stuff it finds them.

Raggs wrote: Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:52 pm

Nols wrote: Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:44 pm His Dimes impression is pretty funny too.

It's not him, it's a podcaster he knows. Still a good impression :D.

Hah, I was wondering how he made his voice so different.

notfatcat wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:30 am

Sports minister Nathi Mthethwa has asked SA Rugby to make a pronouncement on the actions of eight South African players who refused to kneel in support of the Black Lives Matter (BLM) movement ahead of a match that was played in England at the weekend.

https://www.timeslive.co.za/sport/rugby ... n-england/

FFS. They weren't refusing to do the virtue signalling ....it wasn't mandatory. Are they saying that not doing it means black lives don't matter? It's fucking stupid.

MSG# wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:26 am

notfatcat wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:30 am

Sports minister Nathi Mthethwa has asked SA Rugby to make a pronouncement on the actions of eight South African players who refused to kneel in support of the Black Lives Matter (BLM) movement ahead of a match that was played in England at the weekend.

https://www.timeslive.co.za/sport/rugby ... n-england/

FFS. They weren't refusing to do the virtue signalling ....it wasn't mandatory. Are they saying that not doing it means black lives don't matter? It's fucking stupid.

South African Ministers are not renowned for their brains. Our history of Sports Ministers is particularly poor.

MSG# wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:26 am

notfatcat wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:30 am

Sports minister Nathi Mthethwa has asked SA Rugby to make a pronouncement on the actions of eight South African players who refused to kneel in support of the Black Lives Matter (BLM) movement ahead of a match that was played in England at the weekend.

https://www.timeslive.co.za/sport/rugby ... n-england/

FFS. They weren't refusing to do the virtue signalling ....it wasn't mandatory. Are they saying that not doing it means black lives don't matter? It's fucking stupid.

So you disagree with it then?

Sandstorm wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:40 pm

MSG# wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:26 am

notfatcat wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:30 am

https://www.timeslive.co.za/sport/rugby ... n-england/

FFS. They weren't refusing to do the virtue signalling ....it wasn't mandatory. Are they saying that not doing it means black lives don't matter? It's fucking stupid.

South African Ministers are not renowned for their brains. Our history of Sports Ministers is particularly poor.

It's more than that, it's racial hatred.

SaintK wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:03 pm

MSG# wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:26 am

notfatcat wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:30 am

https://www.timeslive.co.za/sport/rugby ... n-england/

FFS. They weren't refusing to do the virtue signalling ....it wasn't mandatory. Are they saying that not doing it means black lives don't matter? It's fucking stupid.

So you disagree with it then?

If people want to do it then let them. I won't be bowing to the gods of political correctness unless i want to, or if it's made compulsory in which case it becomes a meaningless gesture. And certainly not because some yank killed another yank - as appalling as that was.

MSG# wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:27 pm

SaintK wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:03 pm

MSG# wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:26 am

FFS. They weren't refusing to do the virtue signalling ....it wasn't mandatory. Are they saying that not doing it means black lives don't matter? It's fucking stupid.

So you disagree with it then?

If people want to do it then let them. I won't be bowing to the gods of political correctness unless i want to, or if it's made compulsory in which case it becomes a meaningless gesture. And certainly not because some yank killed another yank - as appalling as that was.

Fair call. Agree entirely. Though I loathe the phrase "virtue signalling"!!!

My biggest issue with not doing it, is why the hell not.

They clearly agree with the message, otherwise they wouldn't wear the t-shirt. What is the big deal about going down on one knee for 20 seconds. It's a simple easy thing to do, but it's a powerful symbol given their prominent positions.

Goode seemed pretty certain on his pod that the Saffas were standing as a religious thing, they only kneel for God.

Honestly, I wouldn't and not for nay such reason. Kneeling has become very associated with BLM the movement and that's not something I could endorse due to a lot of the ancillary views.

Rugby against racism is the right message and intention.

sockwithaticket wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:09 pm Goode seemed pretty certain on his pod that the Saffas were standing as a religious thing, they only kneel for God.

Could be a factor but not all saffers are religious and some have kneeled for BLM (our cricketers at home, almost all the white players in this case). Besides there was a Scot, Welshman and Tuilagi also who didn't kneel. I would suggest that those players that did not kneel are more of the opinion thal ALL lives matter in general.

Amethyst wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:17 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:09 pm Goode seemed pretty certain on his pod that the Saffas were standing as a religious thing, they only kneel for God.

Could be a factor but not all saffers are religious and some have kneeled for BLM (our cricketers at home, almost all the white players in this case). Besides there was a Scot, Welshman and Tuilagi also who didn't kneel. I would suggest that those players that did not kneel are more of the opinion thal ALL lives matter in general.

He was only talking about those specific Saffers rather than speculating on anyone else.

Sale should have kneel as a team. That's what good teams do.

What's better for team cohesion, mandating that everyone do the same thing, despite some disagreeing, or allowing the latitude for different expressions of the same sentiment?

I know where I'd put my money.