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I'm not sure you can actually see any video in the link posted above.

Here's the YouTube link.

You'll have to speed up the video 2x to get any sense that Jordie is actually moving.

Jambanja wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 6:44 am This is an interesting topic and all that but who are the ABs going to be playing this season to warrant worrying about this?

What a dumb post. Until all tests are officially called off why can't we chat about possible All Black selections on an online Rugby chat site? If this thread and these discussions offend you, perhaps you should surf the web elsewhere?

Wasn’t going to say in those terms AC.

But yes, we need to hope for an international or a few, and generally chat about potential opportunities of removing Jordie Barret.

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:56 am Wasn’t going to say in those terms AC.

But yes, we need to hope for an international or a few, and generally chat about potential opportunities of removing Jordie Barret.

I actually think Jordie Barrett has outshone his more credentialed older brother this year, and I'd be happy enough with him wearing 15. Whilst his top end speed might not be that great, his defense, booming boot, skills under the high ball and ability to kick 60 metre penalties makes him a useful player to have on the field. I just don't want to see Mitch Hunt's plaything anywhere near a starting wing spot.

I’m not so worried about his defence. It’s his inability to finish tries you’d expect a winger to get that worries me.

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 9:03 am

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:56 am Wasn’t going to say in those terms AC.

But yes, we need to hope for an international or a few, and generally chat about potential opportunities of removing Jordie Barret.

I actually think Jordie Barrett has outshone his more credentialed older brother this year, and I'd be happy enough with him wearing 15. Whilst his top end speed might not be that great, his defense, booming boot, skills under the high ball and ability to kick 60 metre penalties makes him a useful player to have on the field. I just don't want to see Mitch Hunt's plaything anywhere near a starting wing spot.

Don’t disagree. But he’s been mixed and this year great at SR level, but he has a level of flake that I don’t believe or have ever seen translates to Intl.

I’d rather BB on the bench than JB.

At least you could assume BB would manage to make it to the right bench. But that’s just my takeaways.

Just for clarity. Jordan in 15

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 9:28 am Just for clarity. Jordan in 15

The thing about Will Jordan is that he has so much potential. He's super exciting with ball in hand, has speed to burn and has a good kicking game. He's also very good under the high ball. At 188cm and with a great vertical leap he isn't going to be dominated by many players in the air.

It really pisses me off when Beauden does not get selected at 10. It just seems such an enormous waste of talent when that happens.

Amethyst wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:37 am It really pisses me off when Beauden does not get selected at 10. It just seems such an enormous waste of talent when that happens.

Yawn

Do you guys think Beaudy's new wife is the Yoko of NZ rugby?

I'll rate Beauden as the best 10 in the world. Richie won't make my top 5. Crazy not to pick Beauden at 10, in fact it's ridiculously stupid not to.

Amethyst wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:51 am I'll rate Beauden as the best 10 in the world. Richie won't make my top 5. Crazy not to pick Beauden at 10, in fact it's ridiculously stupid not to.

Yawn

Amethyst wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:51 am I'll rate Beauden as the best 10 in the world. Richie won't make my top 5. Crazy not to pick Beauden at 10, in fact it's ridiculously stupid not to.

Pay more attention.

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:52 am

Amethyst wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:51 am I'll rate Beauden as the best 10 in the world. Richie won't make my top 5. Crazy not to pick Beauden at 10, in fact it's ridiculously stupid not to.

Yawn

This sort of behaviour will damage your image as a "good troll". Need to shape up with another yawn, I think.

Jimmy Smallsteps wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:58 am

Amethyst wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:51 am I'll rate Beauden as the best 10 in the world. Richie won't make my top 5. Crazy not to pick Beauden at 10, in fact it's ridiculously stupid not to.

Pay more attention.

Pollard?

Amethyst wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:02 pm

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:52 am

Amethyst wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:51 am I'll rate Beauden as the best 10 in the world. Richie won't make my top 5. Crazy not to pick Beauden at 10, in fact it's ridiculously stupid not to.

Yawn

This sort of behaviour will damage your image as a "good troll". Need to shape up with another yawn, I think.

You are coming across as a bit unhinged.

Chill out man!

The NZ fly half / etc discussion is always contentious with huge provincial bias.

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:07 pm

Amethyst wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:02 pm

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:52 am

Yawn

This sort of behaviour will damage your image as a "good troll". Need to shape up with another yawn, I think.

You are coming across as a bit unhinged.

Chill out man!

The NZ fly half / etc discussion is always contentious with huge provincial bias.

I am chilled, bro. There does seem to be some issues with your selectors choices though..or can that also be contributed to provincialism?

Of course it is.

Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:18 pmOf course it is.

That's a pity.

Amethyst wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:16 pm I am chilled, bro. There does seem to be some issues with your selectors choices though..or can that also be contributed to provincialism?

Amethyst,

Firstly, Richie Mo'unga's success rate when playing against South African teams at SR and test level would be over 90%. So you might not rate him but I'm sure most professional South African Rugby players do.

Secondly, our selectors have issues and perceived provincial biases, that's not unique. Show me a set of Rugby supporters globally who don't like to complain about their national selectors?

I don't know why you guys are pissing in your pants about this. Basically, all I'm saying is that Beauden (who is GLOBALLY regarded as the best 10 in the world) should be selected in that position. But hey ho, if you want to fuck up your best player's talent so be it.

Amethyst wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:35 pm I don't know why you guys are pissing in your pants about this. Basically, all I'm saying is that Beauden (who is GLOBALLY regarded as the best 10 in the world) should be selected in that position. But hey ho, if you want to fuck up your best player's talent so be it.

He isn't even the best no.10 at the Blues, let alone NZ or the globe.

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:38 pm

Amethyst wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:35 pm I don't know why you guys are pissing in your pants about this. Basically, all I'm saying is that Beauden (who is GLOBALLY regarded as the best 10 in the world) should be selected in that position. But hey ho, if you want to fuck up your best player's talent so be it.

He isn't even the best no.10 at the Blues, let alone NZ or the globe.

yawn

Amethyst wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:35 pm I don't know why you guys are pissing in your pants about this. Basically, all I'm saying is that Beauden (who is GLOBALLY regarded as the best 10 in the world) should be selected in that position. But hey ho, if you want to fuck up your best player's talent so be it.

I don't understand why he is still regarded as the best 10. Global press is all over that, correct. Only because he was two times IRB player of the year. He clearly isn't the best 10 in NZ anymore. Mounga has been outstanding the last years. What is the Problem with playing BB at 23 for the ABs again?? Great impact player, can even cover several positions. Times change, someone younger and better has come around.

The problem is that BB is still a fantastic player who can make magic happen so you want him on the field somewhere. This is the logic. This is why he was shoehorned into 15.

Understand, valid point. So if necessary bring him on at around 60 min and he can cause havoc.

Jeez, are there people who haven’t put this idiot on mute yet?

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:52 am

Jambanja wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 6:44 am This is an interesting topic and all that but who are the ABs going to be playing this season to warrant worrying about this?

What a dumb post. Until all tests are officially called off why can't we chat about possible All Black selections on an online Rugby chat site? If this thread and these discussions offend you, perhaps you should surf the web elsewhere?

https://forum.planetrugby.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=99866

Jambanja wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 9:05 pm

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:52 am

Jambanja wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 6:44 am This is an interesting topic and all that but who are the ABs going to be playing this season to warrant worrying about this?

What a dumb post. Until all tests are officially called off why can't we chat about possible All Black selections on an online Rugby chat site? If this thread and these discussions offend you, perhaps you should surf the web elsewhere?

https://forum.planetrugby.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=99866

AC’s last post over there was:

Australia is still an option. QLD is basically covid-19 free, as is WA. Both states could easily host a series. But the benefit of NZ is that they don't have social distancing laws in place. Full stadiums would mean a better product.

If we are considering options for how test rugby could happen, why not discuss selection preferences?

Jb1981 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:32 pm

Jambanja wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 9:05 pm

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:52 am

What a dumb post. Until all tests are officially called off why can't we chat about possible All Black selections on an online Rugby chat site? If this thread and these discussions offend you, perhaps you should surf the web elsewhere?

https://forum.planetrugby.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=99866

AC’s last post over there was:

Australia is still an option. QLD is basically covid-19 free, as is WA. Both states could easily host a series. But the benefit of NZ is that they don't have social distancing laws in place. Full stadiums would mean a better product.

If we are considering options for how test rugby could happen, why not discuss selection preferences?

By all means discuss it, sadly though I'm not sure we're going to see it happen, especially now that we're back in level 2-3. I hope that is going to be relatively short lived but it does dampen the chances of there being tests this year though.

Right, so up here in the frozen (well, scorched, actually) north, dual playmaker would usually mean that both 10 and 12 are capable-to-legendary stand-offs.

In SR Aotearoa, Mo'unga was clearly the best 10 on show. Would anyone then consider putting BB next to him at 2nd 5/8th?

At 15 it's less clear-cut. I must have missed the matches in which JB was in irresistible form - saw him play twice and he didn't really stand out for me; but he may have been brilliant in the other matches. Will Jordan surely deserves a debut, but that could be as a winger as well.

I seem to be the only one here who thinks Beauden is the best test 10 in the world. And this on a rugby site where one would expect the majority of people know something about rugby. Quite unbelievable.

Amethyst wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:46 am I seem to be the only one here who thinks Beauden is the best test 10 in the world. And this on a rugby site where one would expect the majority of people know something about rugby. Quite unbelievable.

He hasn't been the best test 10 in the world since 2016.

Gumboot wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:49 am

Amethyst wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:46 am I seem to be the only one here who thinks Beauden is the best test 10 in the world. And this on a rugby site where one would expect the majority of people know something about rugby. Quite unbelievable.

He hasn't been the best test 10 in the world since 2016.

No? When was he voted as best rugby player in the world playing in exactly that position?

Amethyst wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:46 am I seem to be the only one here who thinks Beauden is the best test 10 in the world. And this on a rugby site where one would expect the majority of people know something about rugby. Quite unbelievable.

So given “...expect the majority to know something about rugby...” and “...seem to be the only one here who thinks Barrett the best 10 in the world...” can you draw any conclusions where the problem may be?

Are you Ian Foster by any chance?

Gumboot wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:49 am

Amethyst wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:46 am I seem to be the only one here who thinks Beauden is the best test 10 in the world. And this on a rugby site where one would expect the majority of people know something about rugby. Quite unbelievable.

He hasn't been the best test 10 in the world since 2016.

Correct. Exposed by the Lions in 2017 and struggled until he eventually lost his place to the far superior Richie Mo'unga in 2019. That move should have been made at least a year prior.

Amethyst wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:54 am

Gumboot wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:49 am

Amethyst wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:46 am I seem to be the only one here who thinks Beauden is the best test 10 in the world. And this on a rugby site where one would expect the majority of people know something about rugby. Quite unbelievable.

He hasn't been the best test 10 in the world since 2016.

No? When was he voted as best rugby player in the world playing in exactly that position?

2017 was the last time, why?

Richie is shit compared to Beauden and you won't sway me otherwise.