Mosque Shooter sentencing - and what to do with the body

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blackblackblack wrote: Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:59 pm The point of the car analogy is not the car. It is the ability to obtain something you want but don't need. A car is a commonality most people can relate to. I could for example say that lots of people want private jets, but who the hell can relate to that? I understand that many here can't also relate to wanting an assault rifle, I count myself amongst their number, however I can also understand that some do and not for the reason that most will ascribe to that, simply because they exist and are likely a shit ton of fun to use in a safe environment. Again, if you can use the thing safely, without harming yourself or others, you should be able to.
What a ridiculous position. Where do you draw the line? Claymores, Mortars, RPG's???

Weapons manufactured expressly for killing human beings shouldn't be allowed into the hands of the general public. End of.
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Thommo wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 6:51 am
Muttonbird wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 5:30 am
New Zealand First believes this terrorist should be returned to the country that raised him. Now is the time for Australia's Minister of Home Affairs, Peter Dutton, to receive and carry out the terrorist's sentence in Australia.
- Winston Peters, Deputy Prime Minister of NZ

Far out. Winston Peters would not last long as a poster on PR.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics ... -time.html
Is he NZ's version of Pauline Hanson?
Nah. She’s uniquely yours. He’s just our version of yer avridge Aussie. A pompous windbag with a great nose for a rort.
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blackblackblack wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 7:15 am Winston is all about Winston, always has been. He is a longstanding grandstander in the political world here. Origins in senior citizens and anti immigration, grey power loves him. Will be toast at the next election.
Yeah, my redneck mother loves him.
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-RB. wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 7:56 am
blackblackblack wrote: Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:59 pm The point of the car analogy is not the car. It is the ability to obtain something you want but don't need. A car is a commonality most people can relate to. I could for example say that lots of people want private jets, but who the hell can relate to that? I understand that many here can't also relate to wanting an assault rifle, I count myself amongst their number, however I can also understand that some do and not for the reason that most will ascribe to that, simply because they exist and are likely a shit ton of fun to use in a safe environment. Again, if you can use the thing safely, without harming yourself or others, you should be able to.
What a ridiculous position. Where do you draw the line? Claymores, Mortars, RPG's???

Weapons manufactured expressly for killing human beings shouldn't be allowed into the hands of the general public. End of.
Ah but lobbing grenades around is a shit ton of fun
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-RB. wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 7:56 am Weapons manufactured expressly for killing human beings shouldn't be allowed into the hands of the general public. End of.
I'd change that to weapons which are too efficient shouldn't be allowed into the hands of the general public. Because after all the SMLE and the K98, for both of which I have a great fondness, were manufactured expressly to kill human beings. And I think military style semi automatics are too efficient.
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I, for one, would be not opposed to his being shipped back to Oz, via Fairburn (Canberra) and on to Goulburn super-max.

I'm sure south coast Rambo would love to meet him.

Briefly.
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usemame wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 11:00 am
blackblackblack wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 7:15 am Winston is all about Winston, always has been. He is a longstanding grandstander in the political world here. Origins in senior citizens and anti immigration, grey power loves him. Will be toast at the next election.
Yeah, my redneck mother loves him.
That's what they said in 1987, 1990, 1993, 1996, 1999, 2002, 2005, 2008, 2011, 2014, and 2017.
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Jimmy Smallsteps wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 12:05 pm
usemame wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 11:00 am
blackblackblack wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2020 7:15 am Winston is all about Winston, always has been. He is a longstanding grandstander in the political world here. Origins in senior citizens and anti immigration, grey power loves him. Will be toast at the next election.
Yeah, my redneck mother loves him.
That's what they said in 1987, 1990, 1993, 1996, 1999, 2002, 2005, 2008, 2011, 2014, and 2017.
NZ has rednecks?

I thought it was the paragon of left-green-pacifism. A beautiful land of adventure-tourism and no law suits. A land that should send cunt back here so SC rambo can shiv him.

I am disappoint.
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It has been revealed that the gutless prick tried to avoid having to be present during victim impact reports
Christchurch mosque killer Brenton Tarrant, repeatedly branded a "gutless coward" by his victims this week, tried to get out of appearing at his own sentencing, it can be revealed.

New court documents released to the Herald show that the 29-year-old Australian mass killer applied for permission to appear at his sentencing by way of audio-visual link (AVL) only.

The move – lodged in May after his shock guilty pleas and opposed by Crown lawyers – was rejected by Justice Cameron Mander.

The judge raised concerns that Tarrant was trying to "avoid having to face the consequences of being publicly held accountable for his offending".

Tarrant was yesterday sentenced to life imprisonment without parole - the first time in New Zealand's history the sentence has been imposed - meaning he "will never see the light of day again", as Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern put it.

He had admitted murdering 51 people and attempting to murder 49 others in Christchurch last year.

The Courts (Remote Participation) Act 2010 says AVL can be used during sentencing – at a judge's discretion.

Tarrant's then lawyers – before he sacked them – tried arguing that suitable technology would've been available and that it had been used at earlier court appearances. They said there had been no issues with the quality of the link and that AVL technology wouldn't have adversely affected their client's ability to follow proceedings or engage with them.

They also claimed it would have resulted in "significant cost saving" by not having to securely transfer him from Auckland to Christchurch.

In the Crown's strong opposition, they pointed to the "nature and seriousness of the charges" and the number of victims, along with the impact of his offending.

The Crown lawyers said sentencing would "assume greater importance for the victims, as it has now become the focal point of the criminal proceeding and there is no reason why such an important part of the criminal justice process ought not to be conducted in the usual way with the defendant physically present in the courtroom".

Justice Mander declined Tarrant's move – ordering him to be in court.

The judge said Tarrant would be a "critical participant and his physical presence is an important component of the administration of justice in this case".

"The only apparent justification appears to be the defendant's preference, which cannot displace the ordinary need for a defendant to be physically before the court for the purpose of being sentenced in the circumstances of such a serious case as this," Justice Mander ruled.

"Justice must not only be done but must be seen to be done."

The judge expressed concern that Tarrant "may well now be seeking to distance himself or disengage from the criminal process".

"His trepidation may be understandable but the sentencing hearing will be conducted in accordance with the ordinary rules and disciplines that apply to such a proceeding and arrangements will be made to ensure his security," he said.

"I am concerned that the defendant's request could be interpreted as an attempt to withdraw from the sentencing process to avoid having to face the consequences of being publicly held accountable for his offending.

"The interests of justice do not favour the encouragement or aiding of such a strategy."

During earlier pre-trial hearings, the courtroom has often been packed with victims and family members.

The judge noted that "good order has been maintained" throughout, with no reported interruptions or difficulties.

"There is no reason to believe those present will not conduct themselves in an appropriate way in accordance with the rules and protocols that govern behavior in the courtroom."

As Tarrant sat silent throughout the four-day sentencing this week, the victims and their families of his attack, stood strong and unleashed their feelings towards the 29-year-old Australian.

Yesterday, Justice Mander said Tarrant was "empty of any empathy" for his victims and "detached" and he appeared entirely self-centred.

He said Tarrant had "no apparent mental orders or psychiatric conditions" nor were any cognitive disorders present.

There was no evidence of a personality disorder – but his racist beliefs "developed and intensified" as he got older.

A psychologist said Tarrant "proudly" saw himself as a white European with an air of superiority and grandiosity - which may reflect narcissistic traits.

He also told the psychologist that he no longer holds the beliefs – that they were "not real" and at the time of the attack he was in a "poisoned mental state" and was "terribly unhappy".

He was "ostracised" by society and "wanted to damage society as act of revenge".

Tarrant told the psychologist he "wasn't thinking right at the time" and was "acting on delusional beliefs".

However Justice Mander said that simply did not wash with him.

"Your recent self-generated denunciation of your extreme ideology requires circumspection," he said.

"It's uncorroborated, self-serving and a relatively recent phenomenon."
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That doesn't surprise me at all. I look forward to forgetting his name.

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Fat Old Git wrote: Fri Aug 28, 2020 3:26 am That doesn't surprise me at all. I look forward to forgetting his name.

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Damn right.

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Fat Old Git wrote: Fri Aug 28, 2020 3:26 am That doesn't surprise me at all. I look forward to forgetting his name.

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Whose?
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