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Bring Morne back.

Fangle wrote: Sun Oct 04, 2020 2:07 pm Bring Morne back.

Don't fear Fangs, Morne is around and was pick last week.

Moernaai is one calf Strain away from pension. The incumbent is Pollard and his backup is Jantjies. We need to unearth future stars not focus on yesterdays hero's.

average joe wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:31 am Moernaai is one calf Strain away from pension. The incumbent is Pollard and his backup is Jantjies. We need to unearth future stars not focus on yesterdays hero's.

I don't think anyone can argue with that, but Pollard's injury is serious. We may have to prepare for someone else to wear the Bok 10 jersey, worst case scenario.

Sandstorm wrote: Sun Oct 04, 2020 1:51 pm

ASMO wrote: Sun Oct 04, 2020 9:19 am Things must be bad if Junkies is your best option at 10

They are. Every 10 we have kicks everything every time. Junkies at least has a decent cross kick to the right wing.

Pollard
Mossie
Daylight
Moonlight
Blacklight
Junkies
The Rest

OomSB fix

assfly wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:35 am

average joe wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:31 am Moernaai is one calf Strain away from pension. The incumbent is Pollard and his backup is Jantjies. We need to unearth future stars not focus on yesterdays hero's.

I don't think anyone can argue with that, but Pollard's injury is serious. We may have to prepare for someone else to wear the Bok 10 jersey, worst case scenario.

I'll rather they gave a youngster a fair go than bring back outoppie Steyn. With Pollard out it's only fair that Jantjies gets his turn. Bring in a youngster to back him up. I know next thing you'll ask is which youngster. It doesn't matter, just pick one and stick with him.

Bring in Frikkie. He’s only 14, but jirre that game against Rondebosch Boys he just killed it!!!

Sandstorm wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 7:02 am Bring in Frikkie. He’s only 14, but jirre that game against Rondebosch Boys he just killed it!!!

Lots of school boy clips or it didn't happen....

Sandstorm wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 7:02 am Bring in Frikkie. He’s only 14, but jirre that game against Rondebosch Boys he just killed it!!!

Didn't know you loop die lyn

I was prepared to give Willemse time to develop. He had 6 months in lockdown to get fit and his head in the right place, but imo he's poorer than ever. I would tell him to go to England and work on his game and come back a better player. I want him out of WP.

handyman wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:00 am I was prepared to give Willemse time to develop. He had 6 months in lockdown to get fit and his head in the right place, but imo he's poorer than ever. I would tell him to go to England and work on his game and come back a better player. I want him out of WP.

Actually he was bloody good in England in December and January. It's only when he goes back to WP that his form drops.
Now wait....haven't we seen this before??

Sandstorm wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:07 am

handyman wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:00 am I was prepared to give Willemse time to develop. He had 6 months in lockdown to get fit and his head in the right place, but imo he's poorer than ever. I would tell him to go to England and work on his game and come back a better player. I want him out of WP.

Actually he was bloody good in England in December and January. It's only when he goes back to WP that his form drops.
Now wait....haven't we seen this before??

What's this pom doing on the Bokke fred?

handyman wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:00 am I was prepared to give Willemse time to develop. He had 6 months in lockdown to get fit and his head in the right place, but imo he's poorer than ever. I would tell him to go to England and work on his game and come back a better player. I want him out of WP.

Hasn’t this been the trend with most schoolboy “prodigies”? Fantastic world beaters at school, skipping the normal U/21 route straight into senior sides, then struggling to match the hype. Has there been an example that did not have a slump? My opinion is the talent will eventually shine through if the player isn’t broken in the process. Maybe time away from the hyped environment, e.g. France or England isn’t a bad thing For a young player.

Provincial bias aside, I think he could do with a change of environment. He's clearly a very talented kid, but this jumping between 10 and 15 hasn't done him any good and I'm bit surprised at how the media have thrown him under the bus this week.

A year or two away from the South African rugby public, like France or Japan, could do him the world of good.

assfly wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 6:02 am Provincial bias aside, I think he could do with a change of environment. He's clearly a very talented kid, but this jumping between 10 and 15 hasn't done him any good and I'm bit surprised at how the media have thrown him under the bus this week.

A year or two away from the South African rugby public, like France or Japan, could do him the world of good.

I sort of disagree.............................................. we have a way of hyping a player up, just because he was great at school level. they play SA and are snapped up by a Union and are promoted into the senior side.
This is where I think that the Varsity Cup is so important. AND the youngster playing off the bench behind a senior Tutor in a CC and then a bigger competition for a season or 2. Then at the age of 22/23/24 he is mature and experienced enough to start.
After being so overhyped the youngsters expect to start in the senior side, when they are just not mature enough.

Chilli wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 6:32 am I sort of disagree.............................................. we have a way of hyping a player up, just because he was great at school level. they play SA and are snapped up by a Union and are promoted into the senior side.
This is where I think that the Varsity Cup is so important. AND the youngster playing off the bench behind a senior Tutor in a CC and then a bigger competition for a season or 2. Then at the age of 22/23/24 he is mature and experienced enough to start.
After being so overhyped the youngsters expect to start in the senior side, when they are just not mature enough.

Yes I agree with that too.

I think it's easy to become obsessed with young players, it's like we're looking for the next Frans Steyn when he came into the Bok picture.

Agree about putting them through the systems. Even some of those youngsters who played in the Green vs Gold game, I wondered if it's right to thrust them into the limelight so soon and expect miracles.

assfly wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 6:38 am

Chilli wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 6:32 am I sort of disagree.............................................. we have a way of hyping a player up, just because he was great at school level. they play SA and are snapped up by a Union and are promoted into the senior side.
This is where I think that the Varsity Cup is so important. AND the youngster playing off the bench behind a senior Tutor in a CC and then a bigger competition for a season or 2. Then at the age of 22/23/24 he is mature and experienced enough to start.
After being so overhyped the youngsters expect to start in the senior side, when they are just not mature enough.

Yes I agree with that too.

I think it's easy to become obsessed with young players, it's like we're looking for the next Frans Steyn when he came into the Bok picture.

Agree about putting them through the systems. Even some of those youngsters who played in the Green vs Gold game, I wondered if it's right to thrust them into the limelight so soon and expect miracles.

New Zealand often say : if you are good enough, you are old enough, BUT they look after and nurture their youngsters.........

Having said that, who at the WP could have "brought him on"? Who were the 10's playing above him? Very average players who needed to mature themselves.

I asked a question on a different thread "why do players players who leave SA become superstars overseas?" Most of it is because of the coaching and environment.

I would say that the level of coaching in SA in rather poor. Case in point: the Boks under AC and basically the same Boks under Rassie.

Chilli wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 6:32 am

assfly wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 6:02 am Provincial bias aside, I think he could do with a change of environment. He's clearly a very talented kid, but this jumping between 10 and 15 hasn't done him any good and I'm bit surprised at how the media have thrown him under the bus this week.

A year or two away from the South African rugby public, like France or Japan, could do him the world of good.

I sort of disagree.............................................. we have a way of hyping a player up, just because he was great at school level. they play SA and are snapped up by a Union and are promoted into the senior side.
This is where I think that the Varsity Cup is so important. AND the youngster playing off the bench behind a senior Tutor in a CC and then a bigger competition for a season or 2. Then at the age of 22/23/24 he is mature and experienced enough to start.
After being so overhyped the youngsters expect to start in the senior side, when they are just not mature enough.

Agree with all of that, my comments were specific to Willemse, the U/21 and VC bolt for him has been shot, for him Japan or whatever is a good idea. For other prodigies, or for that matter any laaitie who wants to be a pro rugby player, your pipeline is ideal.

There is another element to this, taking a prodigy, who in typical teenage hormonal fashion is probably a little dick in any case, and vaulting him straight into a European mega-club situation earning serious money, will possibly turn him into a rugby league or football hooligan parody. At least with Varsity Cup he needs to at least pretend to attend some classes and get some kind of eduction first.

How could we not learn anything from the Gaffie saga?

average joe wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 12:28 pm How could we not learn anything from the Gaffie saga?

Good example. That guy was a talented flyhalf. Would have loved to have seen him get a few more tests for the Boks to settle down.

assfly wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 12:37 pm

average joe wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 12:28 pm How could we not learn anything from the Gaffie saga?

Good example. That guy was a talented flyhalf. Would have loved to have seen him get a few more tests for the Boks to settle down.

Dave Van Hesselin.....................the forgotten 9.

I don't think I've ever seen Willemse have an amazing game at senior level...CC, Super Rugby or for the Boks. Some moments of brilliance, of course, but his net contributions seem to be negative in terms of the mistakes he makes on the field.

Willie le Roux makes a ton of mistakes, but usually also does at least a couple of good things per match to offset those.

Willemse's problem is that he is too selfish. His "moments of brilliance" are all individualistic plays, you hardly ever see him make a step, create an opportunity, and then put a team mate away. He either goes to ground or scores the try; and at junior level against lesser players the ratio of tries to wasted opportunities was just higher that made him look great.

I'm no fan of Bosch, but at least he has some other elements to his game...kicking, distribution and speed. Willemse has better defense and a great step, but fails in most of the other duties a flyhalf at this level should excel at. That is probably why most other coaches have messed him around and played him at 15, afraid of dropping him because he is supposedly this prodigy, but also not really seeing what all the fuss is about to put him at 10.

handyman wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:00 am I was prepared to give Willemse time to develop. He had 6 months in lockdown to get fit and his head in the right place, but imo he's poorer than ever. I would tell him to go to England and work on his game and come back a better player. I want him out of WP.

He already went to England, no? With the Saracens, no less. Could be a great player, so it's frustrating. I'm sure there's a new Paarl Gim 14 year old coming through though, so there is no need to worry about Pollard's injury

Excuse my ignorance, but who the fuck is 'Mossie'?

Lemoentjie wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:09 pm Excuse my ignorance, but who the fuck is 'Mossie'?

Vir my om te vokken weet en vir jou om te vokken raai.

OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 5:26 pm

Lemoentjie wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:09 pm Excuse my ignorance, but who the fuck is 'Mossie'?

Vir my om te vokken weet en vir jou om te vokken raai.

Mostert Jnr Jnr. Some seun from Gimmie Vaseline loop-die-lyn collection

RWC Final MOM 2023. Probably.

Sandstorm wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 5:56 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 5:26 pm

Lemoentjie wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:09 pm Excuse my ignorance, but who the fuck is 'Mossie'?

Vir my om te vokken weet en vir jou om te vokken raai.

Mostert Jnr Jnr. Some seun from Gimmie Vaseline loop-die-lyn collection

RWC Final MOM 2023. Probably.

heaven forbid. Enough of these overrated and hyped school kid's

Sandstorm wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 5:56 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 5:26 pm

Lemoentjie wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:09 pm Excuse my ignorance, but who the fuck is 'Mossie'?

Vir my om te vokken weet en vir jou om te vokken raai.

Mostert Jnr Jnr. Some seun from Gimmie Vaseline loop-die-lyn collection

RWC Final MOM 2023. Probably.

Yep ja, Handre Pollard is the Gimmie that won us the World Cup in 2019. We need another Gimmie to took over from him.

Wynbergse soutpiele weet net van draad trek.

Scum of the Boland

https://www.sarugbymag.co.za/wynberg-cu ... boys-high/

Sandstorm wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 7:34 pm Scum of the Boland

https://www.sarugbymag.co.za/wynberg-cu ... boys-high/

There is one moerse difference between Boishaai & Gim.

Wynberg soutpiele won't survive at Gim.

That laaitie end up playing hockey for Boishaai 1st team.

All Slaapstad soutpiele want to play for Boishaai.

If the parent wants to move the laaitie from a draadtrek school, there's vokol anyone can do.

Sards wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 6:42 pm

Sandstorm wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 5:56 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 5:26 pm

Vir my om te vokken weet en vir jou om te vokken raai.

Mostert Jnr Jnr. Some seun from Gimmie Vaseline loop-die-lyn collection

RWC Final MOM 2023. Probably.

heaven forbid. Enough of these overrated and hyped school kid's

Cape Town High School can only produce vaktap idiotic rugby supporters like yourself.

Lemoentjie wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:07 pm

handyman wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:00 am I was prepared to give Willemse time to develop. He had 6 months in lockdown to get fit and his head in the right place, but imo he's poorer than ever. I would tell him to go to England and work on his game and come back a better player. I want him out of WP.

He already went to England, no? With the Saracens, no less. Could be a great player, so it's frustrating. I'm sure there's a new Paarl Gim 14 year old coming through though, so there is no need to worry about Pollard's injury

Let him go for 2 years. He has time on his side.

OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 8:50 pm

Sards wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 6:42 pm

heaven forbid. Enough of these overrated and hyped school kid's

Cape Town High School can only produce vaktap idiotic rugby supporters like yourself.

Must admit our sport of choice was surfing , waterpolo and cricket....smoking weed , skateboarding , and barnies at the gazebo at the Molteno resevoir .

handyman wrote: Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:13 am

Lemoentjie wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:07 pm

handyman wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:00 am I was prepared to give Willemse time to develop. He had 6 months in lockdown to get fit and his head in the right place, but imo he's poorer than ever. I would tell him to go to England and work on his game and come back a better player. I want him out of WP.

He already went to England, no? With the Saracens, no less. Could be a great player, so it's frustrating. I'm sure there's a new Paarl Gim 14 year old coming through though, so there is no need to worry about Pollard's injury

Let him go for 2 years. He has time on his side.

2 years may just be enough to teach him how to be a flyhalf....

Vaktap

Why would people spell fok with a V? It's spelled with a kierietjie fokon F. I see a lot of people on social media thinking that it's better to miss spell swear words. Like that makes them holy or some such. When you swear on social media it cant be a slipup. You actively have to think about it, type it out and post it, you can go back and change it, you can delete it before you post it. Miss spelling it just makes you look stupid. If you don't want to fokon swear then just don't fokon type swear words. And who the hell decided what words are swear words anyways?

(my spelling on fokken does not count as it's a play on how I pronounce it rather than miss-spelling it for modesty sake)

has anyone been following the Willemse saga on fb.....VOK ME......Anyone that criticises him is a " bloody racist......who just want the white boy Kade to leapfrog Willemse ..."

Sards wrote: Wed Oct 07, 2020 8:20 am has anyone been following the Willemse saga on fb.....VOK ME......Anyone that criticises him is a " bloody racist......who just want the white boy Kade to leapfrog Willemse ..."

Willemse isn't perfect, but anyone thinking about putting a 19 year old laaitie with almost zero top-level experience into the Bok team ahead of Willemse needs to see a doctor.

Ja nee, next lamb to the slaughter.