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Sandstorm wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:53 pm Sad to see AC back on his busted record “Boks ruined everything in NZ” story again.

Am I wrong in remembering a thread on PR where he was saying that the South Africans dragged the quality of the rugby down and that they should be thrown out?

Ignore the Kiwis on here, lads. They have suffered less Covid strife (4 whole days without KFC or something?) than anyone else and think the rest of us actually give a fuck about money in Rugby in 2020?

Selfish wankers can go poke a wooden spoon up their arses.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:08 am
Selfish wankers can go poke a wooden spoon up their arses.

Isn't that the age old preserve of the Welsh?

Rinkals wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:08 am

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:53 pm Sad to see AC back on his busted record “Boks ruined everything in NZ” story again.

Am I wrong in remembering a thread on PR where he was saying that the South Africans dragged the quality of the rugby down and that they should be thrown out?

It's also tattooed on his back.

It's not a good look to be the RWC holders and not being able to field a team against opposition that are desperately wanting to prove a point.
Or caring about the damage to the brand.
There are more than enough players abroad to field a team.I would rather see what Nienaber has to offer than wonder.
I am embarrassed about this.
Since when do we shirk our responsibility as RWC holders. As Springboks.

Sards wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:16 pm It's not a good look to be the RWC holders and not being able to field a team against opposition that are desperately wanting to prove a point.
Or caring about the damage to the brand.
There are more than enough players abroad to field a team.I would rather see what Nienaber has to offer than wonder.
I am embarrassed about this.
Since when do we shirk our responsibility as RWC holders. As Springboks.

Muppet

Sards wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:16 pm It's not a good look to be the RWC holders and not being able to field a team against opposition that are desperately wanting to prove a point.
Or caring about the damage to the brand.
There are more than enough players abroad to field a team.I would rather see what Nienaber has to offer than wonder.
I am embarrassed about this.
Since when do we shirk our responsibility as RWC holders. As Springboks.

Sards, you are one of the few South Africans who are talking sense

It's sad to see so many of your countrymen boasting that SARU's decision to destroy the Rugby Championship is a good thing, or a necessary thing. Yesterday was a sad day in the history of Rugby, because it signalled the end of a era of co-operation in SH Rugby that had extended from 1996 to the present day. I also do not believe that the SARU fully realise the financial implications of their decision.

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:23 pm

Sards wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:16 pm It's not a good look to be the RWC holders and not being able to field a team against opposition that are desperately wanting to prove a point.
Or caring about the damage to the brand.
There are more than enough players abroad to field a team.I would rather see what Nienaber has to offer than wonder.
I am embarrassed about this.
Since when do we shirk our responsibility as RWC holders. As Springboks.

Sards, you are one of the few South Africans who are talking sense

It's sad to see so many of your countrymen boasting that SARU's decision to destroy the Rugby Championship is a good thing, or a necessary thing. Yesterday was a sad day in the history of Rugby, because it signalled the end of a era of co-operation in SH Rugby that had extended from 1996 to the present day. I also do not believe that the SARU fully realise the financial implications of their decision.

Its just trolling from the Saffers because you give them a hard time. I think that deep inside they are disappointed like I am.
Why would Nienaber be afraid to take on the ABs. Thats the burning question I have.

Sards, do you seriously think that you can play top level professional immediately after a six months layoff without risking both injury and humiliation?

I doubt even AC does and I suspect that his motivation for calling us selfish is that it wouldn't worry him to see the Springboks sustain injuries, and he would love to see us humiliated.

The Argentinians aren’t afraid of playing after a lay off. They are in Australia training, right now.

What is it that they have that your Springboks don’t, do you think?

Balls?
Heart?
A manly stride?

Shanky’s mate wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:42 am The Argentinians aren’t afraid of playing after a lay off. They are in Australia training, right now.

What is it that they have that your Springboks don’t, do you think?

Balls?
Heart?
A manly stride?

Desperation?
A willingness to sustain injury to play with the big boys?
Money?

The Argentinians aren't the current Champions, though, so they would probably have less to lose in terms of defeats.

Do you know when they resumed playing rugby?

Most of the supporters are saying good decision because we will get a hiding. Being underprepared.
I say bullshit. We are the champions. We should believe that we can beat anyone. And be able to beat anyone.

It is a cowardly decision .

Rinkals wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:50 am

Shanky’s mate wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:42 am The Argentinians aren’t afraid of playing after a lay off. They are in Australia training, right now.

What is it that they have that your Springboks don’t, do you think?

Balls?
Heart?
A manly stride?

Desperation?
A willingness to sustain injury to play with the big boys?
Money?

The Argentinians aren't the current Champions, though, so they would probably have less to lose in terms of defeats.

Do you know when they resumed playing rugby?

Somewhere there you forgot to mention pride....maybe it's because we are forgetting what that is

Rinkals wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:31 am Sards, do you seriously think that you can play top level professional immediately after a six months layoff without risking both injury and humiliation?

I doubt even AC does and I suspect that his motivation for calling us selfish is that it wouldn't worry him to see the Springboks sustain injuries, and he would love to see us humiliated.

These boys have been keeping fit. If they haven't the problem is not world rugby but our ethos. I don't consider what injury I would get when playing for my nation. I consider the fact that I must give everything because of my pride. Remember Dan Carter continued playing with a broken bone

Sards wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:57 am

Rinkals wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:31 am Sards, do you seriously think that you can play top level professional immediately after a six months layoff without risking both injury and humiliation?

I doubt even AC does and I suspect that his motivation for calling us selfish is that it wouldn't worry him to see the Springboks sustain injuries, and he would love to see us humiliated.

These boys have been keeping fit. If they haven't the problem is not world rugby but our ethos. I don't consider what injury I would get when playing for my nation. I consider the fact that I must give everything because of my pride. Remember Dan Carter continued playing with a broken bone

Sards, have you ever played rugby?

I mean, actually played it rather than watched it on TV or playstation?

Rinkals wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:00 am

Sards wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:57 am

Rinkals wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:31 am Sards, do you seriously think that you can play top level professional immediately after a six months layoff without risking both injury and humiliation?

I doubt even AC does and I suspect that his motivation for calling us selfish is that it wouldn't worry him to see the Springboks sustain injuries, and he would love to see us humiliated.

These boys have been keeping fit. If they haven't the problem is not world rugby but our ethos. I don't consider what injury I would get when playing for my nation. I consider the fact that I must give everything because of my pride. Remember Dan Carter continued playing with a broken bone

Sards, have you ever played rugby?

I mean, actually played it rather than watched it on TV or playstation?

Pride China. This is what its about. When you can hold your head up high and walk amongst other men with no shame. When you can say " we are world champions " and be prepared to fight till your last breath to defend that title..
A cup or badge is a material thing that means absolutely nothing if you don't have the heart to defend it.

We will forever be remembered as cowardly rather than champions

Rinkals wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:50 am

Shanky’s mate wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:42 am The Argentinians aren’t afraid of playing after a lay off. They are in Australia training, right now.

What is it that they have that your Springboks don’t, do you think?

Balls?
Heart?
A manly stride?

Desperation?
A willingness to sustain injury to play with the big boys?
Money?

The Argentinians aren't the current Champions, though, so they would probably have less to lose in terms of defeats.

Do you know when they resumed playing rugby?

They haven’t.

That’s the point.

Sards wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:16 am

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:23 pm

Sards wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:16 pm It's not a good look to be the RWC holders and not being able to field a team against opposition that are desperately wanting to prove a point.
Or caring about the damage to the brand.
There are more than enough players abroad to field a team.I would rather see what Nienaber has to offer than wonder.
I am embarrassed about this.
Since when do we shirk our responsibility as RWC holders. As Springboks.

Sards, you are one of the few South Africans who are talking sense

It's sad to see so many of your countrymen boasting that SARU's decision to destroy the Rugby Championship is a good thing, or a necessary thing. Yesterday was a sad day in the history of Rugby, because it signalled the end of a era of co-operation in SH Rugby that had extended from 1996 to the present day. I also do not believe that the SARU fully realise the financial implications of their decision.

Its just trolling from the Saffers because you give them a hard time. I think that deep inside they are disappointed like I am.
Why would Nienaber be afraid to take on the ABs. Thats the burning question I have.

Alert Sards is an AC multi..

Should the “Springbokke Going Forward” thread be temporarily re-named given right now they are all about withdrawing rather than going forward?

Meanwhile, with half the country in Level 3 lockdown... sport (without crowds) goes on pretty much as normal here. International matches, Premier League, even Rugby Finals where half the teams have Covid...

We may never have a vaccine that lasts more than a few months anyway, so we should try and learn to live with Covid, like gun crime in the US and old age elsewhere... it's here to stay... adapt... hiding only lasts so long... eventually you have to come out and face the new reality...

So NZR have just finished a full season of local Rugby, sold rights to every foreign sports broadcaster on the planet, games attended by their biggest crowds in a decade and they’re broke???

Someone needs to do an independent audit pronto!!

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:00 am So NZR have just finished a full season of local Rugby, sold rights to every foreign sports broadcaster on the planet, games attended by their biggest crowds in a decade and they’re broke???

Someone needs to do an independent audit pronto!!

Are you genuinely this dumb or are you just pretending to be?

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:02 am

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:00 am So NZR have just finished a full season of local Rugby, sold rights to every foreign sports broadcaster on the planet, games attended by their biggest crowds in a decade and they’re broke???

Someone needs to do an independent audit pronto!!

Are you genuinely this dumb or are you just pretending to be?

Where did all the money go?

Grandpa wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:15 am Meanwhile, with half the country in Level 3 lockdown... sport (without crowds) goes on pretty much as normal here. International matches, Premier League, even Rugby Finals where half the teams have Covid...

We may never have a vaccine that lasts more than a few months anyway, so we should try and learn to live with Covid, like gun crime in the US and old age elsewhere... it's here to stay... adapt... hiding only lasts so long... eventually you have to come out and face the new reality...

I don’t think an South Africans or SARU are disagreeing with you. The issue was just time and timing and government regulations.

Our players need more local game time that is available to get match fit, and the timing of the proposed tournament poses a new challenge to get access to our European based players, finally ambiguity over travel restrictions imposed by our governments blundering Covid response adds yet another layer of unwanted distraction and complexity.

We should be ready to resume life as relatively normal next year. The time crunch was just insurmountable for us.

I’m disappointed, but understanding of the situation.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:04 am Where did all the money go?

NZR lost money on Super Rugby Aotearoa. The TV rights had already been sold, and they got less $ because the comp was shorter. than the original SR comp.

NZR makes 80% of its TV rights revenue from the Rugby Championship, which the SARU destroyed.

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:07 am

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:04 am Where did all the money go?

NZR lost money on Super Rugby Aotearoa. The TV rights had already been sold, and they got less $ because the comp was shorter. than the original SR comp.

NZR makes 80% of its TV rights revenue from the Rugby Championship, which the SARU destroyed.

So you do actually desperately need Saffer TV money or you’re sunk? How sad.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:09 am

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:07 am

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:04 am Where did all the money go?

NZR lost money on Super Rugby Aotearoa. The TV rights had already been sold, and they got less $ because the comp was shorter. than the original SR comp.

NZR makes 80% of its TV rights revenue from the Rugby Championship, which the SARU destroyed.

So you do actually desperately need Saffer TV money or you’re sunk? How sad.

No, we simply wanted South Africa to fulfil their obligations. The SARU has always been a wretched organisation so I'm disappointed but not surprised by their dishonest. We all remember that they didn't let black players represent the Springboks until relatively recently. The SARU embraced Apartheid. What kind of disgusting organisation would do that?

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:09 am

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:07 am

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:04 am Where did all the money go?

NZR lost money on Super Rugby Aotearoa. The TV rights had already been sold, and they got less $ because the comp was shorter. than the original SR comp.

NZR makes 80% of its TV rights revenue from the Rugby Championship, which the SARU destroyed.

So you do actually desperately need Saffer TV money or you’re sunk? How sad.

Fucksake Sandy, wake up and smell the kakka here. All of the partner nations rely on the revenue from the RC. It’s not Saffa money, we’ve shot that pathetic little foot stomp to pieces a million times already.

Your Union relies just as much as ours do on that TV money and they’ve just shot it right out of their own boot, the fucking idiots. Everyone walks away hurting as a result and everyone else is going to be wary of trusting your lot in any sort of deal for years to come.

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:35 am

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:09 am

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:07 am

NZR lost money on Super Rugby Aotearoa. The TV rights had already been sold, and they got less $ because the comp was shorter. than the original SR comp.

NZR makes 80% of its TV rights revenue from the Rugby Championship, which the SARU destroyed.

So you do actually desperately need Saffer TV money or you’re sunk? How sad.

No, we simply wanted South Africa to fulfil their obligations.

Obligations???
Please explain why SA had an obligation to play in this pop-up RC? No commitment was ever made and, from the outset, SANZAAR understood that the Boks’ participation was always in doubt.

Rinkals wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:31 am Sards, do you seriously think that you can play top level professional immediately after a six months layoff without risking both injury and humiliation?

I doubt even AC does and I suspect that his motivation for calling us selfish is that it wouldn't worry him to see the Springboks sustain injuries, and he would love to see us humiliated.

Scott Barrett is, this very weekend. No warm up games or any NPC required.

Blake wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:06 am

Grandpa wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:15 am Meanwhile, with half the country in Level 3 lockdown... sport (without crowds) goes on pretty much as normal here. International matches, Premier League, even Rugby Finals where half the teams have Covid...

We may never have a vaccine that lasts more than a few months anyway, so we should try and learn to live with Covid, like gun crime in the US and old age elsewhere... it's here to stay... adapt... hiding only lasts so long... eventually you have to come out and face the new reality...

I don’t think an South Africans or SARU are disagreeing with you. The issue was just time and timing and government regulations.

Our players need more local game time that is available to get match fit, and the timing of the proposed tournament poses a new challenge to get access to our European based players, finally ambiguity over travel restrictions imposed by our governments blundering Covid response adds yet another layer of unwanted distraction and complexity.

We should be ready to resume life as relatively normal next year. The time crunch was just insurmountable for us.

I’m disappointed, but understanding of the situation.

Could they not have gone down the Argentina route to prepare? Or even played internal matches to prepare? Australia is probably a safer environment for them to be in than back home...

Shanky’s mate wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:37 am

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:09 am

Carter's Choice wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:07 am

NZR lost money on Super Rugby Aotearoa. The TV rights had already been sold, and they got less $ because the comp was shorter. than the original SR comp.

NZR makes 80% of its TV rights revenue from the Rugby Championship, which the SARU destroyed.

So you do actually desperately need Saffer TV money or you’re sunk? How sad.

Fucksake Sandy, wake up and smell the kakka here. All of the partner nations rely on the revenue from the RC. It’s not Saffa money, we’ve shot that pathetic little foot stomp to pieces a million times already.

Your Union relies just as much as ours do on that TV money and they’ve just shot it right out of their own boot, the fucking idiots. Everyone walks away hurting as a result and everyone else is going to be wary of trusting your lot in any sort of deal for years to come.

As right as you may be. We live in a vokked up country. We have totally incompetent leaders who only know how to steal. We have a country devided on racial politics in favor of the majority of one that blames the minority for everything to brainwash the majority. There is so much corruption going on that its in the press daily. The government is trying to take the land away from white people to give it to black people without compensation. Crime and theft is increasing. White people are excluded from employment opportunities.

What quality management do you think would tolerate living in these conditions. ... thats what you are dealing with. Good luck looking for honor and honesty

Grandpa wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:52 am

Blake wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:06 am

Grandpa wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:15 am Meanwhile, with half the country in Level 3 lockdown... sport (without crowds) goes on pretty much as normal here. International matches, Premier League, even Rugby Finals where half the teams have Covid...

We may never have a vaccine that lasts more than a few months anyway, so we should try and learn to live with Covid, like gun crime in the US and old age elsewhere... it's here to stay... adapt... hiding only lasts so long... eventually you have to come out and face the new reality...

I don’t think an South Africans or SARU are disagreeing with you. The issue was just time and timing and government regulations.

Our players need more local game time that is available to get match fit, and the timing of the proposed tournament poses a new challenge to get access to our European based players, finally ambiguity over travel restrictions imposed by our governments blundering Covid response adds yet another layer of unwanted distraction and complexity.

We should be ready to resume life as relatively normal next year. The time crunch was just insurmountable for us.

I’m disappointed, but understanding of the situation.

Could they not have gone down the Argentina route to prepare? Or even played internal matches to prepare? Australia is probably a safer environment for them to be in than back home...

They tried....it was a complete failure. One side totally dominated the more fancied side because Rassie had put his faith in the most overrated flyhalf to ever become a RWC champion flyhalf

Sards wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:06 am

Rinkals wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:00 am

Sards wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:57 am


These boys have been keeping fit. If they haven't the problem is not world rugby but our ethos. I don't consider what injury I would get when playing for my nation. I consider the fact that I must give everything because of my pride. Remember Dan Carter continued playing with a broken bone

Sards, have you ever played rugby?

I mean, actually played it rather than watched it on TV or playstation?

Pride China. This is what its about. When you can hold your head up high and walk amongst other men with no shame. When you can say " we are world champions " and be prepared to fight till your last breath to defend that title..
A cup or badge is a material thing that means absolutely nothing if you don't have the heart to defend it.

We will forever be remembered as cowardly rather than champions

That would be a "no", then?

I see Sard’s usual short-term positive attitude towards South Africa has gone again.

Grandpa wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:52 am

Blake wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:06 am

Grandpa wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:15 am Meanwhile, with half the country in Level 3 lockdown... sport (without crowds) goes on pretty much as normal here. International matches, Premier League, even Rugby Finals where half the teams have Covid...

We may never have a vaccine that lasts more than a few months anyway, so we should try and learn to live with Covid, like gun crime in the US and old age elsewhere... it's here to stay... adapt... hiding only lasts so long... eventually you have to come out and face the new reality...

I don’t think an South Africans or SARU are disagreeing with you. The issue was just time and timing and government regulations.

Our players need more local game time that is available to get match fit, and the timing of the proposed tournament poses a new challenge to get access to our European based players, finally ambiguity over travel restrictions imposed by our governments blundering Covid response adds yet another layer of unwanted distraction and complexity.

We should be ready to resume life as relatively normal next year. The time crunch was just insurmountable for us.

I’m disappointed, but understanding of the situation.

Could they not have gone down the Argentina route to prepare? Or even played internal matches to prepare? Australia is probably a safer environment for them to be in than back home...

I'm unfortunately not that familiar with how Argentina responded to Covid and what restrictions were put in place by their government, so I can't comment.

Our Covid regulations were extremely onerous.
We went into Level 5 lockdown on 27 March. No sport, no public gatherings.

Professional Rugby players were only allowed to do in-group training without any contact and only outdoors in August.
Before September inter-provincial travel was also restricted, and contact training was only allowed as of 1 September.
As soon as it was allowed the first actual matches were played on 27 September and the players have been played every weekend since trying to get back match fitness, but there just isn't enough time to get the domestic core squad to 400 mins of playing time, and it seems like the scheduling and insurance cost of getting our internationally based core players released was just a bridge too far.

And as the article stated, we also don't have clarity from our government on international travel and if the players will be allowed to leave or return.

No denying it is a shitshow, but hardly one caused by SARU.

No-one in SANZAAR has any obligations to each other in November.

We would usually all be under contract to be in Cardiff, London or Paris at this time of the year.

Sards wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:16 pm There are more than enough players abroad to field a team.

For those that can fly, the clubs want remuneration for quarantine unavailability.

sorCrer wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:24 pm

Sards wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:16 pm There are more than enough players abroad to field a team.

For those that can fly, the clubs want remuneration for quarantine unavailability.

No one can fly from UK or France to Australia. Lockdowns are increasingly harsh here.

Have the Saffer cricketers sorted out their poo yet?

South Africa could be banned from international cricket following serious misconduct by senior officials
https://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/ ... NUBY7Qo2PI