NPR

Rinkals wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:46 pm

Longshanks wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:20 am

shereblue wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:11 am
"human history" is the idiot quote to which you I think you allude.

I was quoting Rinkals

I am indeed at fault.

Wherever anyone stands, the easiest deal was to remain.

However, we wouldn't be having all that lovely £350 million coming into treasury coffers come 8th January - and every week thereafter - for life !!!

Got another source for that story IH?

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:56 pm

61% voted Leave in Sunderland. Nissan closes biggest employer in town.

60% voted Leave in Swindon. Honda closes biggest employer in town.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:10 pm

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:56 pm

61% voted Leave in Sunderland. Nissan closes biggest employer in town.

60% voted Leave in Swindon. Honda closes biggest employer in town.

Proverbs 14:15

Longshanks wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:15 pm Proverbs 14:15

I don't do old testament fairy tales (too genocidey). Is that the one about turkeys voting for Christmas?

I honestly don't know how the UK is going to survive this.

Between the economic harm of the Pandemic, 2 Trillion deficit, and Brexit, complete with food shortages and a industrial, manufacturing and service sector decline not seen since Thatcher decided to put Wales and the North of England on the dole..you would have to be advising your kids that unless they want to experience the employment prospects of a 35 stone coma patient, to get the funk out surely?


You know what it reminds me of, when they destroyed all those jobs in South Wales.
You had Brexit types back then, coming here and telling us all, that all these heavy industry jobs etc were crowding out high paid high skilled jobs.
That all these wonderful new jobs would come flooding into the area, as soon as we shut it all down.
Turns out 35 years later and only 19% of the jobs have been replaced and with low paid, low skilled zero hour contract rubbish.

Never trust in conservative optimism.
If they are going all optimistic, it is a sure sign of imminent and complete economic destruction.

If the factory does close it will be sad, but Sunderland did vote leave, however we need a more reliable source than "A Nissan Manager" to confirm this story. Nothing in any other news media I can find.

Nissan's new hybrid Qashqai model will be built at the firm's Sunderland plant, it has been confirmed.
The third-generation of the compact SUV will go on sale next year, although its production will not create any jobs at the Wearside factory.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-54931105

Longshanks wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:47 pm If the factory does close it will be sad, but Sunderland did vote leave, however we need a more reliable source than "A Nissan Manager" to confirm this story. Nothing in any other news media I can find.

Yeah, very sad. Farage and Gove and Johnson and Redwood and Duncan Smith and their coterie will all be dealt a severe blow. I hope they recover financially.

Regardless of timing, regardless of Brexiteer hubris from those not personally affected, we all know where Nissan, Sunderland is heading.

Glaston wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:43 pm Nissan's new hybrid Qashqai model will be built at the firm's Sunderland plant, it has been confirmed.
The third-generation of the compact SUV will go on sale next year, although its production will not create any jobs at the Wearside factory.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-54931105

There’s no point in mentioning this , people are too busy celebrating.

Glaston wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:43 pm Nissan's new hybrid Qashqai model will be built at the firm's Sunderland plant, it has been confirmed.
The third-generation of the compact SUV will go on sale next year, although its production will not create any jobs at the Wearside factory.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-54931105

They’ll one happy customer in Globus. He loves a qashqai.

Newsnight say Brexit deal will be done this week.

Longshanks wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:51 pm Newsnight say Brexit deal will be done this week.

They said that some brexiteer MPs say Brexit deal will be done this week.

dantedelew wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:58 pm

Longshanks wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:51 pm Newsnight say Brexit deal will be done this week.

They said that some brexiteer MPs say Brexit deal will be done this week.

It was clearly more than just that.
The fact Boris is preparing Brexit legislation was the biggest factor.
But we'll see.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-ban ... s-12140542

COVID-19: Bank of England warns long-term effects of no-deal Brexit worse than pandemic
...
Mr Bailey said: "I think the long-term effects [of leaving without a deal] would be larger than the long-term effects of COVID.

"It takes a much longer period of time for what I call the real side of the economy to adjust to the change in openness and adjust to the change in the profile of trade," he added.

...

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:09 am https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-ban ... s-12140542

COVID-19: Bank of England warns long-term effects of no-deal Brexit worse than pandemic
...
Mr Bailey said: "I think the long-term effects [of leaving without a deal] would be larger than the long-term effects of COVID.

"It takes a much longer period of time for what I call the real side of the economy to adjust to the change in openness and adjust to the change in the profile of trade," he added.

...

It's called preparing the way for Boris' climbdown.

£ v Euro trading also suggesting the markets a deal is imminent.

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:22 am £ v Euro trading also suggesting the markets also suggesting a deal is imminent.

The Daily Express (which I don't read, but which has appeared in my newsfeed) proclaims that the EU has capitulated to Boris' demand in full.

We shall see...

Rinkals wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:36 am

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:22 am £ v Euro trading also suggesting the markets also suggesting a deal is imminent.

The Daily Express (which I don't read, but which has appeared in my newsfeed) proclaims that the EU has capitulated to Boris' demand in full.

We shall see...

You must be insane if you pay attention to the Express

Longshanks wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:19 am

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:09 am https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-ban ... s-12140542

COVID-19: Bank of England warns long-term effects of no-deal Brexit worse than pandemic
...
Mr Bailey said: "I think the long-term effects [of leaving without a deal] would be larger than the long-term effects of COVID.

"It takes a much longer period of time for what I call the real side of the economy to adjust to the change in openness and adjust to the change in the profile of trade," he added.

...

It's called preparing the way for Boris' climbdown.

To be fair, and I’m not inclined to be fair to Johnson, a deal isn’t really a climbdown imo, avoiding no deal lunacy is the least terrible option at this stage.

Longshanks wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:43 am

Rinkals wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:36 am

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:22 am £ v Euro trading also suggesting the markets also suggesting a deal is imminent.

The Daily Express (which I don't read, but which has appeared in my newsfeed) proclaims that the EU has capitulated to Boris' demand in full.

We shall see...

You must be insane if you pay attention to the Express

You may have noticed that I specifically said that I didn't.

Longshanks wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:43 am

Rinkals wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:36 am

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:22 am £ v Euro trading also suggesting the markets also suggesting a deal is imminent.

The Daily Express (which I don't read, but which has appeared in my newsfeed) proclaims that the EU has capitulated to Boris' demand in full.

We shall see...

You must be insane if you pay attention to the Express

I imagine that the kipper newsletters such as the Express and Torygraph will paint whatever the deal is as a great victory

Rinkals wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:52 am

Longshanks wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:43 am

Rinkals wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:36 am

The Daily Express (which I don't read, but which has appeared in my newsfeed) proclaims that the EU has capitulated to Boris' demand in full.

We shall see...

You must be insane if you pay attention to the Express

You may have noticed that I specifically said that I didn't.

Why refer to it then?
It's a nutters news source
It goes from Boris complete capitalisation one day to teaching the EU where their bread is buttered the next.
There was always going to be a compromise.
Both sides do need each other whether they want to admit or not.

Just to add.....

The rule of thumb is: whatever the Express says believe the opposite.

Although I acknowledge that even a broken clock is correct twice a day.

Longshanks wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:03 am Just to add.....

The rule of thumb is: whatever the Express says believe the opposite.

Although I acknowledge that even a broken clock is correct twice a day.

I seem to remember someone doing an analysis of their front page headlines a few years back and Cancer, Immigrants and Diana accounted for over 80% over the course of several years.

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:22 am £ v Euro trading also suggesting the markets a deal is imminent.

Sterling v Dollar more so.

Longshanks wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:57 am

Rinkals wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:52 am

Longshanks wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:43 am
You must be insane if you pay attention to the Express

You may have noticed that I specifically said that I didn't.

Why refer to it then?
It's a nutters news source
It goes from Boris complete capitalisation one day to teaching the EU where their bread is buttered the next.
There was always going to be a compromise.
Both sides do need each other whether they want to admit or not.

I would assume that there are sufficient numbers in the UK who pay money to read it?

Which would imply that it's opinions are read by a significant proportion of the population.

So it's not irrelevant.

As you suggest, though, one would need to be mentally impaired. Which was sort of my point.

Certainly, a no-deal Brexit (when it finally happens) will be damaging to the EU, if not quite on the same scale as it will be to the UK.

Rinkals, it's more about the Express than you
It's clickbait
Yes people read it, of course they do
I read it (if I need a good laugh) but it's not to be taken seriously
Every week the UK is facing It's worst weather since the Ice Age (July the 19th of we're talking father Ted).
Edit
Ignore the last bit

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:05 am

Longshanks wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:03 am Just to add.....

The rule of thumb is: whatever the Express says believe the opposite.

Although I acknowledge that even a broken clock is correct twice a day.

I seem to remember someone doing an analysis of their front page headlines a few years back and Cancer, Immigrants and Diana accounted for over 80% over the course of several years.

And in the Daily Mail it was immigrants, Diana and house prices!!!

£29m to spaff on the Festival of Brexit. They're absolutely fucking shameless.

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:18 am £29m to spaff on the Festival of Brexit. They're absolutely fucking shameless.

I'm assuming most of that will end up as policing costs.

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:18 am £29m to spaff on the Festival of Brexit. They're absolutely fucking shameless.

The Festival of Brexit?

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:23 am

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:18 am £29m to spaff on the Festival of Brexit. They're absolutely fucking shameless.

I'm assuming most of that will end up as policing costs.

+ cost of vaccinating them before they can attend any festivities....

There is a serious point to all of this and it is that "newspapers" like the Sun, Mail and Express have long been complicit in the undermining of public faith in the MSM (if those rags can be considered mainstream) to the point where the notion of fake news is so utterly pervasive that it allows people to choose the news source which explicitly supports only their viewpoint and to dismiss any that don't.

In gentler times, news sources had a responsibility to report the truth, nay, it was their stock-in-trade. If a newspaper reported something which was later found to be false, they would suffer irredeemable damage to their reputation and their brand. These days it is more or less accepted that some conduits of news will push their agendas with very little regard for the truth. Indeed, varying degrees of untruthfulness are largely expected of them, as Lonshanks admits.

I find it pernicious that the fourth estate has been so badly undermined, by politicians keen to keep their misdeeds from the public eye, but also by the papers themselves which tend to slant their editorial content to suit their readership.

For a functioning democracy, voters need to be properly informed and a functioning press needs to be operating with integrity.

Perhaps the fact that they aren't and it doesn't is behind the rise of Trump and the folly of Brexit.

sturginho wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:34 am

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:18 am £29m to spaff on the Festival of Brexit. They're absolutely fucking shameless.

The Festival of Brexit?

FOB, or fresh off the boat, to celebrate the arrival of the new non white non Christian migrants in a giant getting fobbed off for all those who voted with team racism

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:18 pm

sturginho wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:34 am

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:18 am £29m to spaff on the Festival of Brexit. They're absolutely fucking shameless.

The Festival of Brexit?

FOB, or fresh off the boat, to celebrate the arrival of the new non white non Christian migrants in a giant getting fobbed off for all those who voted with team racism

I still can't tell if this is serious?

sturginho wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:22 pm

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:18 pm

sturginho wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:34 am

The Festival of Brexit?

FOB, or fresh off the boat, to celebrate the arrival of the new non white non Christian migrants in a giant getting fobbed off for all those who voted with team racism

I still can't tell if this is serious?

£18m of the cost is to build a giant wicker man in Kent. It’s being done by a company registered in the Seychelles tomorrow and will source all the materials from Poland.

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:56 pm

Nissan dismisses reports it is set to close its Sunderland plant

https://www.sunderlandecho.com/business ... nt-3045230