NPR

Lobby wrote: ↑Sat Aug 13, 2022 5:05 pm Foster’s safe

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Sat Aug 13, 2022 5:07 pm Thanks ref, worth all 13 extra points

ia801310 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 13, 2022 5:07 pm Lesson for Bok Management. Pick your best players

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Sat Aug 13, 2022 5:07 pm Thanks ref, worth all 13 extra points

PCPhil wrote: ↑Sat Aug 13, 2022 5:08 pm

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Sat Aug 13, 2022 5:07 pm Thanks ref, worth all 13 extra points

Err, oh forget it.

_Os_ wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:00 pm I'm more confident of a big Bok win than I was last week, and I was confident last week. I said then Bok fans were being bangbroek last week when there was no reason to be, it's still the same a week later.

This All Black side really isn't good, their coaching setup hasn't selected/trained/built the right type of forward pack. It's not about not having the players at all, NZ are like us, there's always the players. They've just invested into the wrong strategy and selected to that wrong strategy, I don't think many in our tight five would be selected by this All Blacks setup they don't sprint like wings and distribute like centres so they wouldn't be selected by the All Blacks. So the Boks then have an advantage in all the core tight five areas, in both the XV and bench players. I'm less critical of their backline it's an All Blacks team so any backline they have will always be a threat, but their tactical kicking from hand (planned kicks intended to win territory and be contestable for the turnover) isn't as strong as ours, they seem to be favouring size in the backline but the skill level doesn't seem to be the same standard as it was in the recent past which means they struggle against our defence (contrary to the stereotype it's always been the opposite with the Boks, the Boks always have room for the weedy fast guy that's the most skilful we have).

It's at Ellis Park where even bad Bok teams have a shot, and this is one of the better Boks teams I've seen. When this team plays well they're absolutely uncompromising in how they play the percentages and manufacture point scoring situations.

The vibe in the Bok camp seems really lekker and in the All Black camp the vibe seems terrible. You can see it on the faces of the players. Fans often ignore this aspect but it's just as crucial. This year the Boks have played two crucial must win matches (Wales 3rd test and All Blacks 1st test) and won both, it's the opposite for the All Blacks.

Losing this one would be really disappointing.

Blake wrote: ↑Sat Aug 13, 2022 5:13 pm

_Os_ wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:00 pm I'm more confident of a big Bok win than I was last week, and I was confident last week. I said then Bok fans were being bangbroek last week when there was no reason to be, it's still the same a week later.

This All Black side really isn't good, their coaching setup hasn't selected/trained/built the right type of forward pack. It's not about not having the players at all, NZ are like us, there's always the players. They've just invested into the wrong strategy and selected to that wrong strategy, I don't think many in our tight five would be selected by this All Blacks setup they don't sprint like wings and distribute like centres so they wouldn't be selected by the All Blacks. So the Boks then have an advantage in all the core tight five areas, in both the XV and bench players. I'm less critical of their backline it's an All Blacks team so any backline they have will always be a threat, but their tactical kicking from hand (planned kicks intended to win territory and be contestable for the turnover) isn't as strong as ours, they seem to be favouring size in the backline but the skill level doesn't seem to be the same standard as it was in the recent past which means they struggle against our defence (contrary to the stereotype it's always been the opposite with the Boks, the Boks always have room for the weedy fast guy that's the most skilful we have).

It's at Ellis Park where even bad Bok teams have a shot, and this is one of the better Boks teams I've seen. When this team plays well they're absolutely uncompromising in how they play the percentages and manufacture point scoring situations.

The vibe in the Bok camp seems really lekker and in the All Black camp the vibe seems terrible. You can see it on the faces of the players. Fans often ignore this aspect but it's just as crucial. This year the Boks have played two crucial must win matches (Wales 3rd test and All Blacks 1st test) and won both, it's the opposite for the All Blacks.

Losing this one would be really disappointing.

Hope you didn't put money on a big Bok win.

_Os_ wrote: ↑Sat Aug 13, 2022 5:15 pm I'm disappointed, they shouldn't have lost to this All Blacks side at Ellis Park as well. Tht opening frontrow didn't function, lineout and scrum were poor, I didn't rate Dweba in the Bloem test against Wales or this one, he gave away dumb "leg brake" penalties in both. Once Dweba was taken off the lineout and scrum functioned much better and penalties came from about 30 minutes onwards, but the Boks were 15 points down by then. They were still winning scrum and lineout/maul penalties until the end of the match. Only worry there is the All Blacks did steal two of the Bok throws in the second half.

Ridiculous game from Am, scored a try, got held up on the line, was CMs from setting up another try, got called back on another try he set up.

I'm gatvol about this one, didn't think the Boks played well in the first half at all. Then they had to go to their b game of spreading the ball and running and chase the game, rather than raking in penalties and playing the percentages.

Blake wrote: ↑Sat Aug 13, 2022 5:21 pm

_Os_ wrote: ↑Sat Aug 13, 2022 5:15 pm I'm disappointed, they shouldn't have lost to this All Blacks side at Ellis Park as well. Tht opening frontrow didn't function, lineout and scrum were poor, I didn't rate Dweba in the Bloem test against Wales or this one, he gave away dumb "leg brake" penalties in both. Once Dweba was taken off the lineout and scrum functioned much better and penalties came from about 30 minutes onwards, but the Boks were 15 points down by then. They were still winning scrum and lineout/maul penalties until the end of the match. Only worry there is the All Blacks did steal two of the Bok throws in the second half.

Ridiculous game from Am, scored a try, got held up on the line, was CMs from setting up another try, got called back on another try he set up.

I'm gatvol about this one, didn't think the Boks played well in the first half at all. Then they had to go to their b game of spreading the ball and running and chase the game, rather than raking in penalties and playing the percentages.

100%

We lost it in the first 20-25 mins mostly because of Dweba and then in the last 10 mins because we had to bring our bench on too soon and ran out of puff. That box kick by Jantjies at the death was fucking brainless. I don't think he has situational awareness at all. Also kicked away critical ball at the death last year. I'm fucking sick of that.

Am on the wing was criminal. Credit to him for having the impact he did from there, but him not being at 13 is what caused us to leak so many tries and linebreaks.

Blake wrote: ↑Sat Aug 13, 2022 5:21 pm 100%

We lost it in the first 20-25 mins mostly because of Dweba and then in the last 10 mins because we had to bring our bench on too soon and ran out of puff. That box kick by Jantjies at the death was fucking brainless. I don't think he has situational awareness at all. Also kicked away critical ball at the death last year. I'm fucking sick of that.

Am on the wing was criminal. Credit to him for having the impact he did from there, but him not being at 13 is what caused us to leak so many tries and linebreaks.

_Os_ wrote: ↑Sat Aug 13, 2022 5:36 pm

Blake wrote: ↑Sat Aug 13, 2022 5:21 pm 100%

We lost it in the first 20-25 mins mostly because of Dweba and then in the last 10 mins because we had to bring our bench on too soon and ran out of puff. That box kick by Jantjies at the death was fucking brainless. I don't think he has situational awareness at all. Also kicked away critical ball at the death last year. I'm fucking sick of that.

Am on the wing was criminal. Credit to him for having the impact he did from there, but him not being at 13 is what caused us to leak so many tries and linebreaks.

Well I'm not rating Dweba as a Bok based on the performances we've seen this year, but that starting frontrow generally didn't work. Frans over extended and conceded a penalty early on then changed his boots. 30 minutes in we had blown our primary gameplan of playing the percentages and building the points, and given the change in fortunes at the set piece after bench changes were made and Frans changed his boots, it was our own doing.

Once you're 15 points down and chasing the game against the All Blacks, and being forced into the b game of spreading it and taking risks, it becomes a white knuckle ride at best.

A shit one to lose, up there with the 2005 loss in NZ. Hopefully it doesn't cost us the RC like that one cost us the TN.

Sards wrote: ↑Sat Aug 13, 2022 5:45 pm It's a significant loss because we get nothing.
2 losses in Australia and we are out.
ABs will grow from this.


Nienaber must go



There were some great passages of play.
The most significant for me were Am and Mapimpi.
Wtf....both had to do it twice to get a try.
The sheer determination of those 2 was the highlight of the match for me.
I am not a fan of moving the whole backline to accommodate Willemse. Rather sub De Allende and let everyone else play in their own position. Duh.
And go back to a 5 3 split please. Loading the bench with forwards just shows you have nothing more than a forward orientated game. Let's see our backline get a chance.

Oh yeah

Nienaber must go

Sards wrote: ↑Sat Aug 13, 2022 5:45 pm It's a significant loss because we get nothing.
2 losses in Australia and we are out.
ABs will grow from this.


Nienaber must go



There were some great passages of play.
The most significant for me were Am and Mapimpi.
Wtf....both had to do it twice to get a try.
The sheer determination of those 2 was the highlight of the match for me.
I am not a fan of moving the whole backline to accommodate Willemse. Rather sub De Allende and let everyone else play in their own position. Duh.
And go back to a 5 3 split please. Loading the bench with forwards just shows you have nothing more than a forward orientated game. Let's see our backline get a chance.

Oh yeah

Nienaber must go

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Aug 13, 2022 7:50 pm Not sure I agree with that. Seen far more tenuous scores given.

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Aug 13, 2022 7:50 pm Not sure I agree with that. Seen far more tenuous scores given.

PCPhil wrote: ↑Sat Aug 13, 2022 8:40 pm I must admit that the commentators are better than last week, but……..Aussie bias is so, so funny.

PCPhil wrote: ↑Sat Aug 13, 2022 8:40 pm I must admit that the commentators are better than last week, but……..Aussie bias is so, so funny.