_Os_ wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 9:41 pm
Fuck me I love Willie "vir die Strand" Le Roux, serious tappit energy.
Bizarre that English players go the whole match celebrating tiny things that go their way as if they've won the match, clearly gamesmanship and trying to get into the head of the opponent. They do it every match. Then there's an issue when Le Roux does it, when err the match is actually won.
Similar to Dallaglio blaming the ref and no one pulling him up on it. Just like when Dupont moaned about the reffing and no one pulled him up on it. Suddenly you are allowed to criticise the ref.
It's hilarious that Le Roux ran up to the English post match and did a Farrell, and suddenly the problem is the Boks and they're destroying rugby. All he did was celebrate as hard as the English do for a reset scrum.
Odd that you've identified the main point whilst totally missing it, all in one sentence.
Your kant has been doing it for years and years, now it's suddenly bad when our kant does it?
It is the main innovation of Farrell era England. Something England led the world in. Celebrating every knock, every scrum reset, every tackle, every collapsed maul. All the time in the face of the opponent like England had actually won the match. All to try and get a small edge. No one ever stopped England doing it, so they just kept doing it every match, never any comment. NFL behaviour, English soccer behaviour.
The Boks have merely taken something England does which works, incorporated it, improved on it, and taken it to the next level. Do it even after the game as the actual match winning celebration.
It's hilarious.
Not entirely sure if you're being serious
I'd make this a bit easier by asking if you'd go up to an annoying opposition player in the bar after the game and call them the same thing you'd call them on the pitch. If you don't perceive there's a difference between these two scenarios then we're not likely to reach consensus here.
In my eyes, there's a step reserved in hell for every triumphalist who takes joy sneering in the opposition's faces after the final whistle. It's not something to applaud. They are, to coin a phrase, white sides.
Re: RWC SF2 England vs Springboks on 21/10 @ 21h00
Niegs wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 5:58 pm
Didn't see this at the end... what a bunch (few individuals on both sides, tbf) of konts/kants/cunts.
That is Willie being a total prick
That was Willie being a winning grinner....look lads . Lots of emotion both sides....that shove on Willie was unnacceptable . But I can understand. It must be devastating to lose that after the coaching box was celebrating 10 minutes beforehand. I am not going to judge Willie because one Wit kant player is a doos at the end
Re: RWC SF2 England vs Springboks on 21/10 @ 21h00
Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:04 am
by Raggs
Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Oct 22, 2023 1:10 pm
This guy is a bloody modern day Viking.
I mean, that's pretty clear that Fourie gets tackled, gets back to his feet for another yard closer to the line right? It was pretty suspicious at the time, but a TMO has got to look at that.
I strongly suspect even if England had won a pen there, as they should have, SA would have won the game in the end, but it annoys me that the TMO should have been all over it, as he had a ton of time from the try being scored until the restart (I think there was even a stoppage before the restart). Not holding it against the ref (though he should have been asking TMO about it).
Re: RWC SF2 England vs Springboks on 21/10 @ 21h00
Slick wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:38 am
It's completely different and you know it.
A bit of shithousery during the game has been part of rugby forever, but carrying on after the final whistle has been taboo and part of what makes the sport what it is. That Saffers can't bring themselves to admit that is yet another in a long line of them undermining the whole sport in pursuit of their win at all costs, chip on the shoulder, thin skinned mentality.
A bit of moaning about the ref slips into the game and SA "improve and take it to the next level" by making an hour long video and ruining a refs career before enabling death threats to other refs.
That's before we even get into the latest stuff around abusing HIA protocols which hasn't blown up even bigger because no one wants to believe that a team would do that.
They are a scourge on the game and the sooner the current management move on and we get the old Boks back, the better.
Firstly there is no HIA abuse, a guy that was involved in the process has even gone on social media to say "there is no abuse of the process".
Secondly, you don't know your rugby. Who do you think my post was really targeted at? Who do the Boks play next? All this crying about "undermining the whole sport" is ridiculous, stop the pompous self righteousness. You're no better than us.
When Kiwis get a big win at the death their method of celebration has been known to be turning to the oppo fans and giving them the bras d'honneur, the ol' "fuck you" and the double middle finger. The actions of Merthens and King Carlos were celebrated, because they're fucking hilarious (check the comments on the Merthens vid). For years a Kiwi poster had the Merthens double middle finger as his avatar.
This is your team for the weekend I believe?
Sorry? Your post on the SA v England thread, that mentioned England or English players six times, was aimed at NZ? You'll understand if I'm a bit confused by that, I'm sure.
Re: RWC SF2 England vs Springboks on 21/10 @ 21h00
Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:08 am
by Sards
Wit kant players versus Groen kant players......honestly.....the bleating by the English is not a pleasant situation. grow some vokken balls man
Re: RWC SF2 England vs Springboks on 21/10 @ 21h00
Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:10 am
by _Os_
Slick wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:06 am
Sorry? Your post on the SA v England thread, that mentioned England or English players six times, was aimed at NZ? You'll understand if I'm a bit confused by that, I'm sure.
"You're destroying the sport this has never happened before", as your bottom lip trembles.
That England team is packed with cunts that celebrate every tiny thing. It's hilarious for the same reason as Merthens and King Carlos are, it was deserved.
Re: RWC SF2 England vs Springboks on 21/10 @ 21h00
Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:13 am
by Margin__Walker
Give it up Slick. It's not worth it.
It's England. We're all complete Kants all the time and deserve everything we get.
See you in the 6N.
Re: RWC SF2 England vs Springboks on 21/10 @ 21h00
Slick wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:06 am
Sorry? Your post on the SA v England thread, that mentioned England or English players six times, was aimed at NZ? You'll understand if I'm a bit confused by that, I'm sure.
"You're destroying the sport this has never happened before", as your bottom lip trembles.
That England team is packed with cunts that celebrate every tiny thing. It's hilarious for the same reason as Merthens and King Carlos are, it was deserved.
Well, that's rather sidestepped your ridiculous claim, but getting used to that.
Re: RWC SF2 England vs Springboks on 21/10 @ 21h00
Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:14 am
by Slick
Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:13 am
Give it up Slick. It's not worth it.
It's England. We're all complete Kants all the time and deserve everything we get.
See you in the 6N.
Yeah, you're probably right. Not much you can do against a psyche like that.
Roll on the 6N
Re: RWC SF2 England vs Springboks on 21/10 @ 21h00
Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:15 am
by Paddington Bear
Is there any evidence of an English team celebrating after the final whistle of a game deliberately in the opposition’s faces to rile them? I can’t totally rule it out but I’ve never seen it
Re: RWC SF2 England vs Springboks on 21/10 @ 21h00
Slick wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:06 am
Sorry? Your post on the SA v England thread, that mentioned England or English players six times, was aimed at NZ? You'll understand if I'm a bit confused by that, I'm sure.
"You're destroying the sport this has never happened before", as your bottom lip trembles.
That England team is packed with cunts that celebrate every tiny thing. It's hilarious for the same reason as Merthens and King Carlos are, it was deserved.
Well, that's rather sidestepped your ridiculous claim, but getting used to that.
Because I knew someone would pop up crying "this has never happened before", and I knew it would be either you (who is backing every side which opposes the Boks including the ABs) or another poster who supports the Saders and ABs.
Very similar things have happened before. This is rugby, not what you image it to be. And when they happened before the fans on the winning side thought it was very very funny..
Re: RWC SF2 England vs Springboks on 21/10 @ 21h00
Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:16 am
by JM2K6
The joys of international sport, eh. You get to mix with some great fans.
Re: RWC SF2 England vs Springboks on 21/10 @ 21h00
Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:19 am
by Slick
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:16 am
The joys of international sport, eh. You get to mix with some great fans.
The up side is that it does remind you how great the 6N is.
Re: RWC SF2 England vs Springboks on 21/10 @ 21h00
Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:20 am
by inactionman
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:15 am
Is there any evidence of an English team celebrating after the final whistle of a game deliberately in the opposition’s faces to rile them? I can’t totally rule it out but I’ve never seen it
I'd not put it past a few of them, Mark Regan for example seemed to enjoy the shithousery a little too much at times, but it's not something I'd noted.
Re: RWC SF2 England vs Springboks on 21/10 @ 21h00
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:16 am
The joys of international sport, eh. You get to mix with some great fans.
The up side is that it does remind you how great the 6N is.
Yup. And fair's fair, most of the people who aren't from one of the competing nations get into the spirit of things when they're here, usually. It's a hell of a sport at times.
Re: RWC SF2 England vs Springboks on 21/10 @ 21h00
assfly wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:30 am using this thread to discuss how great the 6N is
I think it's more using this thread to say Saffas are knackers
Knackers arent packers.....
Enjoy the trip home dude
Re: RWC SF2 England vs Springboks on 21/10 @ 21h00
Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:36 am
by assfly
inactionman wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:31 am
I think it's more using this thread to say Saffas are knackers
I don't care what you think Saffas are. There is nothing you can say that can ruin my wonderful mood today. We're in the world cup final on Saturday, I couldn't be happier.
You, on the other hand, are coming across as angry and bitter, and if taking digs at Saffas makes you feel better then fill your boots pal.
Re: RWC SF2 England vs Springboks on 21/10 @ 21h00
Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:36 am
by _Os_
Does anyone know if England have referred Bongi to the citing commissioner yet? The window has closed.
At the moment we have Curry accusing a Bongi of being racist, this has been widely reported in multiple news outlets, including international outlets with a wide reach. I've seen reports on Sky News about the accusation (butchering his name of course). In all of this no proof of anything has been found. I've been asked by random English people I know about it, making it one of the biggest stories of the RWC, something which penetrated well beyond rugby.
There's only two ways Bongi can be exonerated, a formal citing process, or an official statement from the England camp withdrawing the claim.
I'm sure we would all love to be accused of workplace racism, lots of innuendo but no proof, and then to potentially be left with no way of disproving the accusation.
Re: RWC SF2 England vs Springboks on 21/10 @ 21h00
inactionman wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:31 am
I think it's more using this thread to say Saffas are knackers
I don't care what you think Saffas are. There is nothing you can say that can ruin my wonderful mood today. We're in the world cup final on Saturday, I couldn't be happier.
You, on the other hand, are coming across as angry and bitter, and if taking digs at Saffas makes you feel better then fill your boots pal.
I don't get it....how do they honestly believe that they will upset us with their little digs....
Re: RWC SF2 England vs Springboks on 21/10 @ 21h00
Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:38 am
by Raggs
_Os_ wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:36 am
Does anyone know if England have referred Bongi to the citing commissioner yet? The window has closed.
At the moment we have Curry accusing a Bongi of being racist, this has been widely reported in multiple news outlets, including international outlets with a wide reach. I've seen reports on Sky News about the accusation (butchering his name of course). In all of this no proof of anything has been found. I've been asked by random English people I know about it, making it one of the biggest stories of the RWC, something which penetrated well beyond rugby.
There's only two ways Bongi can be exonerated, a formal citing process, or an official statement from the England camp withdrawing the claim.
I'm sure we would all love to be accused of workplace racism, lots of innuendo but no proof, and then to potentially be left with no way of disproving the accusation.
World rugby are looking into it.
Re: RWC SF2 England vs Springboks on 21/10 @ 21h00
Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:40 am
by JM2K6
assfly wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:30 am using this thread to discuss how great the 6N is
More relevant than talking about twenty year old Kiwi Super Rugby games
Re: RWC SF2 England vs Springboks on 21/10 @ 21h00
Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:41 am
by Sards
the English are not doing themselves any favors here......
Re: RWC SF2 England vs Springboks on 21/10 @ 21h00
Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:41 am
by _Os_
Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:13 am
Give it up Slick. It's not worth it.
It's England. We're all complete Kants all the time and deserve everything we get.
See you in the 6N.
You play for England?
If so I would just like to say, Mr.Farrell/Mr.Earl/Mr.Itoje I aim to live my life as hard as you celebrate a not straight lineout call in a match you're losing.
Re: RWC SF2 England vs Springboks on 21/10 @ 21h00
Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:13 am
Give it up Slick. It's not worth it.
It's England. We're all complete Kants all the time and deserve everything we get.
See you in the 6N.
You play for England?
If so I would just like to say, Mr.Farrell/Mr.Earl/Mr.Itoje I aim to live my life as hard as you celebrate a not straight lineout call in a match you're losing.
If only we good all win with the grace of you guys.
Re: RWC SF2 England vs Springboks on 21/10 @ 21h00
Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:43 am
by JM2K6
_Os_ wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:36 am
Does anyone know if England have referred Bongi to the citing commissioner yet? The window has closed.
At the moment we have Curry accusing a Bongi of being racist, this has been widely reported in multiple news outlets, including international outlets with a wide reach. I've seen reports on Sky News about the accusation (butchering his name of course). In all of this no proof of anything has been found. I've been asked by random English people I know about it, making it one of the biggest stories of the RWC, something which penetrated well beyond rugby.
There's only two ways Bongi can be exonerated, a formal citing process, or an official statement from the England camp withdrawing the claim.
I'm sure we would all love to be accused of workplace racism, lots of innuendo but no proof, and then to potentially be left with no way of disproving the accusation.
Hey Os do you think Curry did anything wrong by reporting what he heard the the ref? There's no innuendo. He believes he heard it, he did exactly what he's supposed to do and reported it to the ref at the time, then got on with the game and dead batted questions after the match because it's in the hands of the officials now.
Can teams even cite players? I thought that hadn't been a thing for years, but maybe I'm wrong. I don't see why England should do any more than raise it on field and let the officials deal with it during and after the game.
This isn't the first time this has happened and it won't be the last time. One thing's for sure: the guy making the complaint isn't the problem.
Re: RWC SF2 England vs Springboks on 21/10 @ 21h00
assfly wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:30 am using this thread to discuss how great the 6N is
More relevant than talking about twenty year old Kiwi Super Rugby games
Now you're just lying to yourself chief, that's the exact era and type of rugby you fell in love with.
Re: RWC SF2 England vs Springboks on 21/10 @ 21h00
Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:45 am
by PornDog
I know many Aussies (though certainly not all) laud Gregan's "Four more years boys" as some epic sledge, I think it was classless fuckwittery and he deserved a decking! Similarly Le Roux - its completely uncalled for poor sportsmanship. To rub your opponents face in a loss like that there is no excusing! He didn't murder anyone or anything, but it is inexcusable poor sportsmanship!
While the Saracen's cohort and their whooping and hollering is annoying and they deserve all of the stick they get (especially as it seems to have spread), but in game twattery is very different to after the final whistle poor sportsmanship.
If certain Saffas are oblivious to that difference then there isn't much hope for ye! Willie behaved like a cunt and you should all be embarrassed by him!
* For what its worth, POMs "You're a shit Richie McCaw" sledge, though in game, was fucking shit and its embarrassing that our media held it up as some epic sledge. It was shit and was made worse by us patting him on the back for it.
Re: RWC SF2 England vs Springboks on 21/10 @ 21h00
Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:47 am
by Sards
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:43 am
One thing's for sure: the guy making the complaint isn't the problem.
agreed.....
Re: RWC SF2 England vs Springboks on 21/10 @ 21h00
assfly wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:30 am using this thread to discuss how great the 6N is
More relevant than talking about twenty year old Kiwi Super Rugby games
Now you're just lying to yourself chief, that's the exact era and type of rugby you fell in love with.
I didn't watch Super rugby 20 years ago. I fell in love with rugby playing it as a kid, then again as a spectator following the 97 Lions on TV. I appreciate that you are currently viewing every non-Saffa post in this thread as an excuse to give it both barrels with your triumphalism but you're all over the place, maybe wind it back a bit
Re: RWC SF2 England vs Springboks on 21/10 @ 21h00
Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:54 am
by Sards
PornDog wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:45 am
If certain Saffas are oblivious to that difference then there isn't much hope for ye! Willie behaved like a cunt and you should all be embarrassed by him!
What exactly did Willie say....it looked like the English player pushed Willie away when he went to him. But not sure what the exact scenario was. We can't take one side and believe ourselves to be correct in defaming a player and a nation without details.
facts gentlemen....
Re: RWC SF2 England vs Springboks on 21/10 @ 21h00
Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:57 am
by dpedin
PornDog wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:45 am
I know many Aussies (though certainly not all) laud Gregan's "Four more years boys" as some epic sledge, I think it was classless fuckwittery and he deserved a decking! Similarly Le Roux - its completely uncalled for poor sportsmanship. To rub your opponents face in a loss like that there is no excusing! He didn't murder anyone or anything, but it is inexcusable poor sportsmanship!
While the Saracen's cohort and their whooping and hollering is annoying and they deserve all of the stick they get (especially as it seems to have spread), but in game twattery is very different to after the final whistle poor sportsmanship.
If certain Saffas are oblivious to that difference then there isn't much hope for ye! Willie behaved like a cunt and you should all be embarrassed by him!
* For what its worth, POMs "You're a shit Richie McCaw" sledge, though in game, was fucking shit and its embarrassing that our media held it up as some epic sledge. It was shit and was made worse by us patting him on the back for it.
Im not sure there is any difference between all the English whooping, backslapping and cheering when a Saffa made a mistake during the game and what LeRoux did after the game. During the game itself the Saffas didnt indulge in the same shit as the English did when an English guy made a mistake or they turned the ball over, they got on with the game as normal. I have a degree of sympathy with LeRoux who having had to endure all the English shithouse behaviour during the game took the opportunity to turn the tables and rub their noses into the ground at the end. If England want to behave the way they do during the game then they need to accept they will get it done to them when it doesn't go their way. Suck it up guys!
Re: RWC SF2 England vs Springboks on 21/10 @ 21h00
Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:58 am
by assfly
It was a bit shit by Willie, but he's not the only one who does it. Those two minutes are the final whistle must be a huge release. I wouldn't be surprised if Farrell had something to say to him during the game, so he's just returning the favour.
I'm sure they shared a beer after the match.
Re: RWC SF2 England vs Springboks on 21/10 @ 21h00
PornDog wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:45 am
If certain Saffas are oblivious to that difference then there isn't much hope for ye! Willie behaved like a cunt and you should all be embarrassed by him!
What exactly did Willie say....it looked like the English player pushed Willie away when he went to him. But not sure what the exact scenario was. We can't take one side and believe ourselves to be correct in defaming a player without details.
Did you not watch the video?
Well we don't know what, if anything he said, but he initially sprinted up to the line celebrating - which was fine. But then after a few seconds he then ran forward towards two devastated English players and jumped up in the air in front of them celebrating directly in front of them, punching the air (the cuntish behaviour part). Then as he was wheeling away others (rightly) took exception to his behaviour!
Now honestly, did that really have to be spelled out to you?
Re: RWC SF2 England vs Springboks on 21/10 @ 21h00
PornDog wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:45 am
I know many Aussies (though certainly not all) laud Gregan's "Four more years boys" as some epic sledge, I think it was classless fuckwittery and he deserved a decking! Similarly Le Roux - its completely uncalled for poor sportsmanship. To rub your opponents face in a loss like that there is no excusing! He didn't murder anyone or anything, but it is inexcusable poor sportsmanship!
While the Saracen's cohort and their whooping and hollering is annoying and they deserve all of the stick they get (especially as it seems to have spread), but in game twattery is very different to after the final whistle poor sportsmanship.
If certain Saffas are oblivious to that difference then there isn't much hope for ye! Willie behaved like a cunt and you should all be embarrassed by him!
* For what its worth, POMs "You're a shit Richie McCaw" sledge, though in game, was fucking shit and its embarrassing that our media held it up as some epic sledge. It was shit and was made worse by us patting him on the back for it.
Im not sure there is any difference between all the English whooping, backslapping and cheering when a Saffa made a mistake during the game and what LeRoux did after the game. During the game itself the Saffas didnt indulge in the same shit as the English did when an English guy made a mistake or they turned the ball over, they got on with the game as normal. I have a degree of sympathy with LeRoux who having had to endure all the English shithouse behaviour during the game took the opportunity to turn the tables and rub their noses into the ground at the end. If England want to behave the way they do during the game then they need to accept they will get it done to them when it doesn't go their way. Suck it up guys!
..................and of course Scotland never do such a thing
