2024 Springbokke

[OomStruisbaai]

To be honest I would have rather tried Kyle Smith then Matthee. Kyle looked much better on CC level and more a physical 10. He is just very young, still in school last year. Skipped the u19s and playing for the u21s. Damian Marcus looked good in 12, also with the u21s.

[Blake]

Dobson failed that test heavily. He should never have let Wolhuter go.

I don't think he had much of a choice. Wolhuter was never going to jump past SFM, Libbok and Willemse when all 3 were fit and available. Staying at the Stormers the best he could hope for to get some consistent gametime would be the couple of weeks those 3 get Bok call-ups.

It's impossible to hoard all your talent and not give them gametime. Wolhuter probably gave them an ultimatum...guaranteed URC game-time or he's leaving, and the loan agreement with the Lions was the compromise solution.

[Sards]

Don't you Stomps have a Currie Cup thread you can discuss this on
Seriously. It's a Springbok thread dudes. Not WP

[Blake]

To be honest I would have rather tried Kyle Smith then Matthee. Kyle looked much better on CC level and more a physical 10. He is just very young, still in school last year. Skipped the u19s and playing for the u21s. Damian Marcus looked good in 12, also with the u21s.

Damian Marcus looked very good yes. I'm happy that we have another 12 in oven and hope we can get him some gametime.

Kyle Smith is is a great prospect but if we aren't careful he's going to be in the same boat as Wolhuter and will probably look for a contract elsewhere if he doesn't get some games.

[_Os_]

Clubs are an extra expense for parents Ox. Since lockdown, my girls are both home schooled but go to a home school centrum. Any sports or interests they have means that they need to join a club. My eldest likes horses so she has joined a local Rodeo club. Besides the bloody horses (two because they are pack animals and would die if they don't have a friend apparently) and their feed and the vet and the farrier and the dude that does their teeth and the physio (yes horses actual have fokon physios as well) and the horsebox and the tact and saddles there are also still club fees and uniform. Trust me it gets expensive.

Now I know Rodeo won't be something that schools offer but even if the stubborn little vixen decided she would rather have played something that more normal kids play like netball I would still have to fork out a small fortune for club fees and specialist coaches and all the jazz that goes with it. If she was in a normal school, she would have been able to do any "normal" sport without me paying anything extra besides her school fees and the uniform. Even the transportation would have been cheaper.

I think you're missing the point a bit, the national club comp structure I'm talking about is aimed at young men, they are adults not children.

The current national club comp is a joke. The structure means 16 teams only play 1 match and a further 8 teams only play 2 matches, only 8 teams play more than 2 matches. How is that going to help unearth more Mapimpis?

Varsity Cup has been a success. But where the Varsity sides play in club comps you can see how good they really are. UKZN isn't as good as College Rovers/Durban Collegians/PMB Collegians/Crusaders/Varsity College, guys that have played in the UKZN side and the clubs say the club rugby they got to play was on a higher level than the Varsity rugby they got to play. One of those was a cousin on the fringes of the Sharks squad who was competing just to play 1st XV club rugby against Rosco Specman before anyone knew who he was, as well as some others.

You can go through other club leagues where Varsity sides play and see something similar. Border have a list of clubs better than UFH and WSU. EP have Despatch/Gardens/Spring Rose competitive or better than NMMU. Lions have Raiders/Wanderers/Pirates/Roodepoort competitive or better than UJ and Wits. Valke have Springs/Brakpan/Boksburg all better than NWU Vaal Triangle. Blue Bulls usually have two to four clubs competitive with UP and TUT. Posters will know better than myself about WP, but Hamiltons/Durbanville-Bellville/False Bay/SK Walmers, all seem competitive with UWC and maybe with UCT but not Maties.

Only the former Afrikaans unis and UCT have a rugby tradition really. Outside that small group of unis it's a different story. Getting club right would be like adding 30 squads of Varsity Cup level players and coaches into a meaningful competition that could feed into something. Bizarre it hasn't happened.

[Sandstorm]

Don't you Stomps have a Currie Cup thread you can discuss this on
Seriously. It's a Springbok thread dudes. Not WP

Just discussing who is the next WP 10 that will get drafted into the Boks. No other Province is putting their hand up. You’re welcome.

[_Os_]

Don't you Stomps have a Currie Cup thread you can discuss this on
Seriously. It's a Springbok thread dudes. Not WP

Just discussing who is the next WP 10 that will get drafted into the Boks. No other Province is putting their hand up. You’re welcome.

I decided to wreck the thread for a week. It has been a good run. The Keo gambit, followed up by the not enough Sharks players and souties are misunderstood move, ending on a moan about club rugby. If I'm being critical I started out extremely strong and got weaker.

Stomps are fighting back by boasting about their 10s. Sards has fallen for it. I refuse. I won this week on this thread and retire the champ.

[Blake]

Don't you Stomps have a Currie Cup thread you can discuss this on
Seriously. It's a Springbok thread dudes. Not WP

Just discussing who is the next WP 10 that will get drafted into the Boks. No other Province is putting their hand up. You’re welcome.

Ouch

[average joe]

Clubs are an extra expense for parents Ox. Since lockdown, my girls are both home schooled but go to a home school centrum. Any sports or interests they have means that they need to join a club. My eldest likes horses so she has joined a local Rodeo club. Besides the bloody horses (two because they are pack animals and would die if they don't have a friend apparently) and their feed and the vet and the farrier and the dude that does their teeth and the physio (yes horses actual have fokon physios as well) and the horsebox and the tact and saddles there are also still club fees and uniform. Trust me it gets expensive.

Now I know Rodeo won't be something that schools offer but even if the stubborn little vixen decided she would rather have played something that more normal kids play like netball I would still have to fork out a small fortune for club fees and specialist coaches and all the jazz that goes with it. If she was in a normal school, she would have been able to do any "normal" sport without me paying anything extra besides her school fees and the uniform. Even the transportation would have been cheaper.

I think you're missing the point a bit, the national club comp structure I'm talking about is aimed at young men, they are adults not children.

The current national club comp is a joke. The structure means 16 teams only play 1 match and a further 8 teams only play 2 matches, only 8 teams play more than 2 matches. How is that going to help unearth more Mapimpis?

Varsity Cup has been a success. But where the Varsity sides play in club comps you can see how good they really are. UKZN isn't as good as College Rovers/Durban Collegians/PMB Collegians/Crusaders/Varsity College, guys that have played in the UKZN side and the clubs say the club rugby they got to play was on a higher level than the Varsity rugby they got to play. One of those was a cousin on the fringes of the Sharks squad who was competing just to play 1st XV club rugby against Rosco Specman before anyone knew who he was, as well as some others.

You can go through other club leagues where Varsity sides play and see something similar. Border have a list of clubs better than UFH and WSU. EP have Despatch/Gardens/Spring Rose competitive or better than NMMU. Lions have Raiders/Wanderers/Pirates/Roodepoort competitive or better than UJ and Wits. Valke have Springs/Brakpan/Boksburg all better than NWU Vaal Triangle. Blue Bulls usually have two to four clubs competitive with UP and TUT. Posters will know better than myself about WP, but Hamiltons/Durbanville-Bellville/False Bay/SK Walmers, all seem competitive with UWC and maybe with UCT but not Maties.

Only the former Afrikaans unis and UCT have a rugby tradition really. Outside that small group of unis it's a different story. Getting club right would be like adding 30 squads of Varsity Cup level players and coaches into a meaningful competition that could feed into something. Bizarre it hasn't happened.

SA Rugby have done pretty well with the current structures so far. Like Musk you want to terraform Mars instead of just protecting what we already have?

[OomStruisbaai]

To be honest I would have rather tried Kyle Smith then Matthee. Kyle looked much better on CC level and more a physical 10. He is just very young, still in school last year. Skipped the u19s and playing for the u21s. Damian Marcus looked good in 12, also with the u21s.

Damian Marcus looked very good yes. I'm happy that we have another 12 in oven and hope we can get him some gametime.

Kyle Smith is is a great prospect but if we aren't careful he's going to be in the same boat as Wolhuter and will probably look for a contract elsewhere if he doesn't get some games.

and we Ahmed on contract. What a great prospect he is. He plays for Wynberg and beat Boishaai on his own at Brugstraat.

[OomStruisbaai]

Dobson failed that test heavily. He should never have let Wolhuter go.

I don't think he had much of a choice. Wolhuter was never going to jump past SFM, Libbok and Willemse when all 3 were fit and available. Staying at the Stormers the best he could hope for to get some consistent gametime would be the couple of weeks those 3 get Bok call-ups.

It's impossible to hoard all your talent and not give them gametime. Wolhuter probably gave them an ultimatum...guaranteed URC game-time or he's leaving, and the loan agreement with the Lions was the compromise solution.

I think he got injured and the Lions wanted him.

[OomStruisbaai]

Don't you Stomps have a Currie Cup thread you can discuss this on
Seriously. It's a Springbok thread dudes. Not WP

Just discussing who is the next WP 10 that will get drafted into the Boks. No other Province is putting their hand up. You’re welcome.

I decided to wreck the thread for a week. It has been a good run. The Keo gambit, followed up by the not enough Sharks players and souties are misunderstood move, ending on a moan about club rugby. If I'm being critical I started out extremely strong and got weaker.

Stomps are fighting back by boasting about their 10s. Sards has fallen for it. I refuse. I won this week on this thread and retire the champ.

You are a real champion Ox. I love your work.

[Sandstorm]

You are a real champion Ox. I love your work.

Class is permanent.

[Sards]

“The tour made us much poorer last season. In fact, we had a dagger to our throat for the whole season,” Dobson said.
“I got much worse with rotating the team. For example, Ruben van Heerden was our best lock, so we kept playing him because we were so desperate to win.

I thought he was great.
Very surprised he couldn't make the boks......

[Sards]

Can Libbok and Moerat just kindly vok off

[Chilli2]

Can Libbok and Moerat just kindly vok off

And take Dixon with them.

[Sards]

Can Libbok and Moerat just kindly vok off

And take Dixon with them.

And after the game Rassie says....." we need to work on the kicking.."......

What the actual vok

[Sards]

What now........


Flyhalf is not a position Rassie has invested in with his preperation.
Sascha is out.
Jordan hasn't been training with the squad .
Rassie is going to be forced to have Manie on the bench.
The Cape crusaders are saying Pollard should move to 12 or fullback when Manie comes on to have a kicker on the field......

Obviously Moerat will not be in the side.

So how does the team look

[OomStruisbaai]

What now........


Flyhalf is not a position Rassie has invested in with his preperation.
Sascha is out.
Jordan hasn't been training with the squad .
Rassie is going to be forced to have Manie on the bench.
The Cape crusaders are saying Pollard should move to 12 or fullback when Manie comes on to have a kicker on the field......

Obviously Moerat will not be in the side.

So how does the team look

Willie, Kolbey, Kriel, Ellendig, Moodie, Pollard, Hendricks, Wiese, PSdT, Kolisi, Etsebeth, Nortje, Malherbe, Bongi, Ox

[assfly]

Maybe I've got selective memory, but I'd love to see the stats on how the Boks do when Marx starts and when he comes off the bench.

I swear he plays better with a 16 on his back.

[TheNatalShark]

Maybe I've got selective memory, but I'd love to see the stats on how the Boks do when Marx starts and when he comes off the bench.

I swear he plays better with a 16 on his back.

Feels like it was different years ago, now much more like Kwagga. Doesn't fade, just... lower output from the start.

[OomStruisbaai]

Look like Moerat will lead to the Springboks to TRC glory!

[OomStruisbaai]

Libbok on the bench.

[OomStruisbaai]

https://x.com/staderochelais/status/183 ... wqbdA&s=19

[Chilli2]

https://x.com/staderochelais/status/183 ... wqbdA&s=19

Catches better than Moerat. Let's play him a 4 on the weekend.

[inactionman]

I'm sure the old board is fun today.

Ireland replace SA as number one side in world

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/articles/clyz4e268g4o

[OomStruisbaai]

I'm sure the old board is fun today.

Ireland replace SA as number one side in world

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/articles/clyz4e268g4o

Rankings is a pot of shite anyway. Ireland can have that. It make them feel good.

[Sards]

I'm sure the old board is fun today.

Ireland replace SA as number one side in world

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/articles/clyz4e268g4o

Rankings is a pot of shite anyway. Ireland can have that. It make them feel good.

Vok man ouboet.
When Province is kak in the Currie Cup then the Currie Cup is meaningless . When Springboks aren't number 1 in the rankings it's meaningless.
Vok that. We are at number 2. That's not good enough. There's too much that's not good enough

[Sards]

Libbok starts

[OomStruisbaai]

Springbok team to face Argentina in Nelspruit:

15 – Aphelele Fassi (Hollywoodbets Sharks) – 8 caps, 20 points (4t)
14 – Cheslin Kolbe (Suntory Sungoliath) – 37 caps, 96 points (15t, 3c, 5p)
13 – Jesse Kriel (Canon Eagles) – 76 caps, 85 points (17t)
12 – Damian de Allende (Wild Knights) – 84 caps, 55 points (11t)
11 – Kurt-Lee Arendse (Vodacom Bulls) – 21 caps, 85 points (17t)
10 – Manie Libbok (DHL Stormers) – 17 caps, 94 pts (1t, 28c, 11p)
9 – Jaden Hendrikse (Hollywoodbets Sharks) – 17 caps, 12 pts (2t, 1c)

8 – Jasper Wiese (Urayasu D-Rocks) – 30 caps, 5 points (1t)
7 – Pieter-Steph du Toit (Toyota Verblitz) – 83 caps, 45 points (9t)
6 – Siya Kolisi (captain, Hollywoodbets Sharks) – 88 caps, 60 points (12t)
5 – Ruan Nortje (Vodacom Bulls) – 5 caps, 0 points
4 – Eben Etzebeth (Hollywoodbets Sharks) – 127 caps, 30 points (6t)
3 – Frans Malherbe (DHL Stormers) – 75 caps, 5 points (1t)
2 – Bongi Mbonambi (Hollywoodbets Sharks) – 74 caps, 75 points (15t)
1 – Ox Nche (Hollywoodbets Sharks) – 36 caps, 0 points

Replacements:

16 – Malcolm Marx (Kubota Spears) – 72 caps, 100 points (20t)
17 – Gerhard Steenekamp (Vodacom Bulls) – 7 caps, 0 points
18 – Vincent Koch (Hollywoodbets Sharks) – 57 caps, 0 points
19 – Elrigh Louw (Vodacom Bulls) – 9 caps, 0 points
20 – Kwagga Smith (Shizuoka Blue Revs) – 48 caps, 45 points (9t)
21 – Cobus Reinach (Montpellier) – 36 caps, 70 pts (14t)
22 – Handre Pollard (Leicester Tigers) – 76 caps, 749 points (7t, 102c, 165p, 5dg)
23 – Lukhanyo Am (Hollywoodbets Sharks) – 39 caps, 35 pts (7t)

Stats and facts:

Springbok record against Argentina:
Played 37; Won 32; Lost 4; Drawn 1; Points for: 1 267, Points against: 720; Tries scored 148, Tries conceded 69; Highest score 73-13; Biggest winning margin 60 points. Win % 86.4%.

Miscellaneous:

Eben Etzebeth will reach the magnificent career milestone of setting a new record as the most capped Springbok player of all time with 128 Tests when he takes the field after matching Victor Matfield’s record of 127 caps last week.
South Africa have won 15 of the 16 outings between the teams in South Africa. Argentina’s only victory was a 37-25 win in 2015.
Handre Pollard leapfrogged Morne Steyn (742 points) into second place on the Springbok all-time scorers’ list, with the flyhalf now on 749 points after slotting two conversions and two penalty goals against Argentina last week. Percy Montgomery leads with 893 points.
This will mark the Springboks’ fifth Test at the Mbombela Stadium and the second against Argentina at the ground in Mpumalanga, where the Boks remain unbeaten. They defeated Los Pumas 30-23 in the last outing between the teams in Nelspruit in 2016.
The total Test caps for the Springbok starting line-up is 778.
There are 260 caps in the backline, with 518 caps among the forwards. On the bench there are a further 344 caps.
The average caps per player in the backline is 37, the forwards 64, while the players on the bench average 43.

[OomStruisbaai]

Libbok starts

Missing Moerat on the bench at least.

[boere wors]

Starting Libbok makes sense at least, not having him to close out the game.
Surprised that Grant Williams is left out

[OomStruisbaai]

Cant believe he left out Willie for Fassi.

[assfly]

Starting Libbok makes sense at least, not having him to close out the game.
Surprised that Grant Williams is left out

Ja, actually it's not a bad side. Typical of Rassie to give Manie a chance to start and redeem himself and let Pollard close the game out.

I feel much more comfortable with this team.

[boere wors]

Cant believe he left out Willie for Fassi.

The thinking is probably, that with libbok starting they dont need willie as playmaker. Pollard starting world have seen Willie come in

[Sandstorm]

Kolbe should take shots at goal in the first half.

[Sards]

Kolbe should take shots at goal in the first half.

Him and Jayden were practicing.
Shocking how much pull the Western Cape community has over Rassie. First Moerat and now Manie.
For me the thing to remember is that there is no quick fix for Manie. In the Currie Cup he was missing most of his kicks. So it's in his head. Can't fix that.

There was a huge backlash from the colored community regarding Manie.

How would this have played out if the black community did the same for let's say for arguments sake...Masuka

It will just become political ping pong and we all know how that will turn out.
At the moment Rassie is keeping that at bay with victories. But as soon as you start losing the worms will come out the soil to feed

[OomStruisbaai]

Starting Libbok makes sense at least, not having him to close out the game.
Surprised that Grant Williams is left out

He is injured

[OomStruisbaai]

Kolbe should take shots at goal in the first half.

Him and Jayden were practicing.
Shocking how much pull the Western Cape community has over Rassie. First Moerat and now Manie.
For me the thing to remember is that there is no quick fix for Manie. In the Currie Cup he was missing most of his kicks. So it's in his head. Can't fix that.

There was a huge backlash from the colored community regarding Manie.

How would this have played out if the black community did the same for let's say for arguments sake...Masuka

It will just become political ping pong and we all know how that will turn out.
At the moment Rassie is keeping that at bay with victories. But as soon as you start losing the worms will come out the soil to feed

Kokkerot brain working overtime.

[boere wors]

Starting Libbok makes sense at least, not having him to close out the game.
Surprised that Grant Williams is left out

He is injured

Ah ok thx, hadn't noticed