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fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Jun 03, 2022 1:17 pm Wait for the lies from the Press Office now to, explain, how it wasn't him they were booing, or how it was only a couple of radicals, & the microphone was right beside them, or that the rest of the crowd was booing the boo'ers, for politicizing the event.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Jun 03, 2022 1:17 pm Wait for the lies from the Press Office now to, explain, how it wasn't him they were booing, or how it was only a couple of radicals, & the microphone was right beside them, or that the rest of the crowd was booing the boo'ers, for politicizing the event.

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Fri Jun 03, 2022 4:18 pm

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Fri Jun 03, 2022 7:44 pm Dorries the delusion at it again and getting totally P@wned.

31,000+ votes, 98% say boos

Line6 HXFX wrote: ↑Sat Jun 04, 2022 8:21 am The lies about Brexit are now so tenuous, every tory is terrified that as soon as Boris goes the next PM will completely ditch it, or least let the public know some of the truth. That is why he will cling on for as long as possible. He is basically Brexit.

Gumboot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 04, 2022 9:27 am

Line6 HXFX wrote: ↑Sat Jun 04, 2022 8:21 am The lies about Brexit are now so tenuous, every tory is terrified that as soon as Boris goes the next PM will completely ditch it, or least let the public know some of the truth. That is why he will cling on for as long as possible. He is basically Brexit.

Is ditching Brexit even possible any more? Even if Johnson's successor came back begging on his knees, why wouldn't the EU just tell him to fuck off?

Gumboot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 04, 2022 9:27 am

Line6 HXFX wrote: ↑Sat Jun 04, 2022 8:21 am The lies about Brexit are now so tenuous, every tory is terrified that as soon as Boris goes the next PM will completely ditch it, or least let the public know some of the truth. That is why he will cling on for as long as possible. He is basically Brexit.

Is ditching Brexit even possible any more? Even if Johnson's successor came back begging on his knees, why wouldn't the EU just tell him to fuck off?

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 04, 2022 10:06 am Hard to believe that they could trust the words and actions of a (specifically) English PM after all this, we're probably seen much like Orban's Hungary only more populated.

Gumboot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 04, 2022 9:27 am

Line6 HXFX wrote: ↑Sat Jun 04, 2022 8:21 am The lies about Brexit are now so tenuous, every tory is terrified that as soon as Boris goes the next PM will completely ditch it, or least let the public know some of the truth. That is why he will cling on for as long as possible. He is basically Brexit.

Is ditching Brexit even possible any more? Even if Johnson's successor came back begging on his knees, why wouldn't the EU just tell him to fuck off?

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Fri Jun 03, 2022 4:55 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Jun 03, 2022 1:17 pm Wait for the lies from the Press Office now to, explain, how it wasn't him they were booing, or how it was only a couple of radicals, & the microphone was right beside them, or that the rest of the crowd was booing the boo'ers, for politicizing the event.

They were saying "Boo-ris."

Lobby wrote: ↑Sat Jun 04, 2022 10:07 am

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 04, 2022 10:06 am Hard to believe that they could trust the words and actions of a (specifically) English PM after all this, we're probably seen much like Orban's Hungary only more populated.

As a new joiner, the UK would also have to join the Euro.

The date for the UK to introduce a bill to dismantle the Northern Ireland Protocol keeps shifting, and it may be contingent on when Boris Johnson faces a vote of no confidence.

The anticipated date was Monday. That slipped to Tuesday, then Wednesday. In the meantime, the number of Tory MPs who have sent letters to Sir Graham Brady is getting closer to the 54 threshold (if it has not already reached it).

That suggests that Sir Graham could hold the confidence vote as early as Tuesday. Alternatively, if rebels feel they have a better chance of actually winning the vote, they will wait until after the two by-elections on 23 June, which the Conservatives are expected to lose.

It is possible, therefore, that the legislation could be placed on hold until the confidence vote.

"Assuming Johnson survives the confidence vote," says one source close to the Conservative Party, "it would make a huge amount of sense from their perspective to bring [the bill] in straight away afterwards, to show that Johnson is on it, he's being active and being dynamic, he's got a plan".

Alternatively, Downing Street could bring the legislation out ahead of the confidence vote. "If you want to lock down the ERG [European Research Group] you would publish early, lock it down and make it robust so they like it," says one Irish official

....

What can we expect when the legislation does appear?

London has privately told Dublin that two options are being considered. In one version, the bill will simply give ministers enabling powers to disapply elements of the Protocol at some point in the future.

In the second, the bill will in itself, once enacted, immediately disapply key parts of the Protocol.

In recent days the second, harder option appears to have become the preferred choice, winning favour precisely because of Boris Johnson’s faltering leadership.

Sources familiar with the process say a tussle has been going on between the hard and soft options, and within the past 10 days the more hardline version has prevailed (although things could ebb in the other direction at the last minute).

It boils down to a choice between a blatant breach of international law or a theoretical, potential breach at some point in the future.

sefton wrote: ↑Sat Jun 04, 2022 1:54 pm Whether you were a remoaner or a rabid Brexiteer it’s a done deal now and there will be no going back for a generation at a minimum, we just have to find a way of mitigating the pain.

_Os_ wrote: ↑Sat Jun 04, 2022 2:56 pm

sefton wrote: ↑Sat Jun 04, 2022 1:54 pm Whether you were a remoaner or a rabid Brexiteer it’s a done deal now and there will be no going back for a generation at a minimum, we just have to find a way of mitigating the pain.

The problem is the Tories and Johnson have intentionally created an alternate reality about this subject (which is now smashing into reality), because that benefits them. Quite a lot of media have fallen into line, either because they support the Tories (most of the print media) or are scared of the Tories (the BBC). The unreality is that they can pretend an almost maximum pain option is actually really really great and completely unconnected to any pain.

As soon as a Tory MP inserted reality into all this by saying "the UK needs to be in the Single Market", they all bit his head off. So the Tory position is that they've chosen almost the least sustainable Brexit option possible, and they're going to defend that as long as possible. Keeping Johnson in power is also probably the only way of doing this.

I can't see how this Brexit deal lasts a generation. It means permanently lower living standards, economic stagnation, and higher borrowing than would've been the case to hide the failure. The Tories are now completely unhinged from reality, so I fully expect them to eventually burn down this deal and replace it with nothing. Maybe that will inject some reality into UK politics.

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 7:44 am Even if he loses, I wouldn't put it past him to stay. The country elected him to do a job, and by golly gum misquoted Latin he's going to see it through.

C T wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 8:06 am Since there was an air of inevitability about this, probably best case scenario for BJ is to get it over with before the by-elections.

Is it possible his allies put in letters to get this done before them? Seems this is the best way to give him a year unchallenged.

C69 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 8:15 am I hope he survives. He is now a pariah, a joke and a liability to the Tories.The probability of losing the red wall with the polling results was the nail in the coffin. If Starmer goes as well this is going to be a rollercoaster.