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tabascoboy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 9:47 am Suspect the Tories are too weak and have too much self-interest at stake to kick the slug out, but depressingly the two main names touted as replacements are Jeremy Hunt and Liz Truss - I mean Christ alive is that all they've got? A few others appear to be discounted for various reasons then Ben Wallace as an outsider seen as another but he's made a strong statement of support for the slug this morning, unless that's merely a ploy...

All the usual suspects he appointed to Cabinet have come out in support of him. They all cite the success of Brexit, the vaccine roll out and the UK's support for Ukraine as reasons he should remain in place.
Not one of them can quote to any other particular successes associated with the slug.
I suggest they all go away and read Jesse Norman's letter to him this morning which quotes all the reasons he should be got rid off. It's far more accxurate

The response by Boris and cronies is both predictable and pathetic. And it shows they have by no way understood and accepted the mess they've made.

No, it's the opposition who want to deflect to party gate, to steer away from Boris conquering Covid and standing up to Putin.
The levels of delusion and bluster are shocking, and proves the point that those creatures shouldn't be near any form of government.

SaintK wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 9:56 am

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 9:47 am Suspect the Tories are too weak and have too much self-interest at stake to kick the slug out, but depressingly the two main names touted as replacements are Jeremy Hunt and Liz Truss - I mean Christ alive is that all they've got? A few others appear to be discounted for various reasons then Ben Wallace as an outsider seen as another but he's made a strong statement of support for the slug this morning, unless that's merely a ploy...

All the usual suspects he appointed to Cabinet have come out in support of him. They all cite the success of Brexit, the vaccine roll out and the UK's support for Ukraine as reasons he should remain in place.
Not one of them can quote to any other particular successes associated with the slug.
I suggest they all go away and read Jesse Norman's letter to him this morning which quotes all the reasons he should be got rid off. It's far more accxurate

When a large the majority of the country knows Brexit is a turd I'm not sure touting it as a success is wise.

The problem the Tory MPs have is they've ignored one of the many first rules of politics "you can't beat someone with no one". This was partly by design, Johnson has promoted almost exclusively the morons/incompetents/compromised who don't threaten him and likely will not get into high office without him. Partly it's the fault of Tory MPs, the opening shots we've seen to replace Johnson have been about EU Single Market membership, once it goes beyond "get Brexit done" they don't seem to agree on the details. It's going to be hard for them to get behind one candidate if they're still divided over Brexit when it comes to the details.

The other problem Tory MPs have, is Johnson hasn't completely imploded yet. The Tories are polling at 30%-35% and Labour are polling 36%-40%. Sometimes the polling is quite close, sometimes it isn't. Johnson can credibly make the case they haven't got another campaigner as good as him, and only he could con enough people to overturn a small gap during an election campaign. Those polling numbers also now look to have solidified almost regardless of what the Tories/Johnson do.

Many Tory MPs are going to back him for those two reasons, it's how he got the job in the first place. No other credible candidates, fudge Brexit, lie/campaign better than anyone else. The smarter ones will realise it all gets worse for them the longer he's there.

Total guess, large rebellion of 140 MPs against him.

Jeremy Hunt has announced he'll be voting against Boris in a clearly subtle attempt to kick start his own leadership bid. Johnson's twitter attack dogs are going nuts

sturginho wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 11:19 am Jeremy Hunt has announced he'll be voting against Boris in a clearly subtle attempt to kick start his own leadership bid. Johnson's twitter attack dogs are going nuts

I don’t really get the hate for Hunt, I think he’s OK and would do a decent job.

Also not sure the vote tonight is as clear cut as some are saying. It’s very obvious that self interest is trumping everything at the moment. If the votes were known it might be a different matter of course, but there are a lot of power hungry cunts there at the moment.

Slick wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 11:54 am

sturginho wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 11:19 am Jeremy Hunt has announced he'll be voting against Boris in a clearly subtle attempt to kick start his own leadership bid. Johnson's twitter attack dogs are going nuts

I don’t really get the hate for Hunt, I think he’s OK and would do a decent job.

Also not sure the vote tonight is as clear cut as some are saying. It’s very obvious that self interest is trumping everything at the moment. If the votes were known it might be a different matter of course, but there are a lot of power hungry cunts there at the moment.

He only looks good compared to the current shitshow of incompetence and because he's quietly evil unlike, say, Gove. He's very much one of the hawkish 'sell everything brigade'.

Slick wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 11:54 am

sturginho wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 11:19 am Jeremy Hunt has announced he'll be voting against Boris in a clearly subtle attempt to kick start his own leadership bid. Johnson's twitter attack dogs are going nuts

I don’t really get the hate for Hunt, I think he’s OK and would do a decent job.

Also not sure the vote tonight is as clear cut as some are saying. It’s very obvious that self interest is trumping everything at the moment. If the votes were known it might be a different matter of course, but there are a lot of power hungry cunts there at the moment.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/ournhs ... y-with-it/

Slick wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 11:54 am

sturginho wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 11:19 am Jeremy Hunt has announced he'll be voting against Boris in a clearly subtle attempt to kick start his own leadership bid. Johnson's twitter attack dogs are going nuts

I don’t really get the hate for Hunt, I think he’s OK and would do a decent job.

Also not sure the vote tonight is as clear cut as some are saying. It’s very obvious that self interest is trumping everything at the moment. If the votes were known it might be a different matter of course, but there are a lot of power hungry cunts there at the moment.

He's apparently started a secret campaign to rejoin the EU

The Nadine Dorries / Jeremy Hunt love in continues

As a soap opera nothing beats some blue on blue action - The trouble is that this is not a soap opera .......

Quite deliciously entertaining watching them gnawing at their own legs.

sturginho wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 1:25 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 11:54 am

sturginho wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 11:19 am Jeremy Hunt has announced he'll be voting against Boris in a clearly subtle attempt to kick start his own leadership bid. Johnson's twitter attack dogs are going nuts

I don’t really get the hate for Hunt, I think he’s OK and would do a decent job.

Also not sure the vote tonight is as clear cut as some are saying. It’s very obvious that self interest is trumping everything at the moment. If the votes were known it might be a different matter of course, but there are a lot of power hungry cunts there at the moment.

He's apparently started a secret campaign to rejoin the EU

Is that not what the country wants?

So what are these 'big decisions' that Boris has got right?!!
The cabinet members cannot get enough of that line, but none of them are naming any big decisions....

She's gone full Bimbo

And here's what the Conservative Party mambers think of the slug




But this is the delusional bollox he's putting out as reasons he should be left in Office

The blue on blue attacks are quite delicious.
Dories is the gift that keeps on giving.
I hope the Tories schism after this.

Tory members want him gone according to polling.

Tory donors want him to stay. Nothing a donor likes more than a weak shyster who owes you there position and has no ideologies at all.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 2:35 pm

But this is the delusional bollox he's putting out as reasons he should be left in Office

And this is sort of a problem for him because it's basically what he's telling his own troops, and pretty much all he's telling his own troops. And the issue here is normally No. 10 would have had the weekend and today doing a big phone banking session, talking to the the troops, even calling them in (in groups) to chat face to face, which is to say a drilled and professional response, instead almost all that's been put out there is the email to MPs and the odd shout out in public from Mad Nad and a few others, and the actual coordinated/professional lobbying is coming from those who want him out.

Whether No. 10 is failing in this because Boris has previously promised stuff to his MPs in return for support and then oddly for Boris not delivered, or Boris is just a feckless wanker, or both is up for debate. For sure the response from No. 10 to this should impress nobody, there's even a good few senior No. 10 staff are still slinking back from holiday because none of them last week realised this was about to happen

All of which might get us from a 3% chance he loses to an 8% chance he loses at best. But there remains the (increasing) hope the win might be such he loses anyway.

Yes Labour supporters might want to keep him for their GE chances, but it's not about Labour, it's about the country not having a cheat and a craven liar in No. 10

Sweepstake on how many votes against him tonight? I reckon 120

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 2:54 pm Sweepstake on how many votes against him tonight? I reckon 120

if that. I reckon they'll bottle it completely

I've no idea how we read this one. There is as of a couple of hours ago No. 10 was lagging behind where Theresa May's office was on the day of her confidence vote in terms of people having committed support, maybe that puts Boris at more risk, maybe the MPs think Boris will sell off more family silver to protect himself than May would have done and they can eek more from No 10 now. But then and now what people say and how they vote could well prove different

can't help himself can he?

I'll go with 140 votes for him to go.

Less than 100 - bunch of naked hedgehogs

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 12:17 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 11:54 am

sturginho wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 11:19 am Jeremy Hunt has announced he'll be voting against Boris in a clearly subtle attempt to kick start his own leadership bid. Johnson's twitter attack dogs are going nuts

I don’t really get the hate for Hunt, I think he’s OK and would do a decent job.

Also not sure the vote tonight is as clear cut as some are saying. It’s very obvious that self interest is trumping everything at the moment. If the votes were known it might be a different matter of course, but there are a lot of power hungry cunts there at the moment.

He only looks good compared to the current shitshow of incompetence and because he's quietly evil unlike, say, Gove. He's very much one of the hawkish 'sell everything brigade'.

My dad taught Jeremy Hunt. Said he was a decent person. In the current climate that puts him towards the top of the list.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 2:54 pm Sweepstake on how many votes against him tonight? I reckon 120

130ish

Plenty on twitter "outraged" that their MP has turned against the PM and saying they'll never vote for for him/her again. Fewer Tory votes, job done

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 4:53 pm

Parody, aye?

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 2:54 pm Sweepstake on how many votes against him tonight? I reckon 120

133

Had a “Did they really say that moment?” driving down the M11. ND said something on the lines of the donors have spoken, that may well be true but to be open about was astonishing. Or admirably honest.

Tory MPs will only have had 12 hours notice of this. Won’t they? Will they all get there in time and what happens if someone can’t?

Hoping he survives. It'll be awful whoever is in place but him going might boost the Tories a bit.

Raggs wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 5:56 pm Hoping he survives. It'll be awful whoever is in place but him going might boost the Tories a bit.

I suppose a new leader might go for a snap GE. On the other hand it’s hard to imagine them uniting under anyone for long.

Raggs wrote: ↑Mon Jun 06, 2022 5:56 pm Hoping he survives. It'll be awful whoever is in place but him going might boost the Tories a bit.

What worries me is that if he survives, then he'll move even further to the right, as that's the only game he knows.

He'll have to create enough turmoil, to make getting rid of him impossible, & the best way of doing that is Northern Ireland, & starting a trade war

Why should the cost of transport be inflated by outdated practices that have nothing to do with safety?

Why should the cost of childcare be pushed up by unnecessary rules on child-minding?

As a parent with young children this is terrifying