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Slick wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 6:35 pm

GogLais wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 5:42 pm Tory MPs will only have had 12 hours notice of this. Won’t they? Will they all get there in time and what happens if someone can’t?

They can ask another MP to vote on their behalf

May turned up to vote wearing a Ball Gown

Os, 140
fishfoodie, 140
Slick, 133
SaintK, 130ish
Paddington Bear, 120
sturginho, <120 "they'll bottle it completely"
Dogbert, "Less than 100 - bunch of naked hedgehogs"
EnergiseR2, 88

_Os_ wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 6:41 pm Os, 140
fishfoodie, 140
Slick, 133
SaintK, 130ish
Paddington Bear, 120
sturginho, <120 "they'll bottle it completely"
Dogbert, "Less than 100 - bunch of naked hedgehogs"
EnergiseR2, 88

They need 180 to oust him?

sturginho wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 6:56 pm

_Os_ wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 6:41 pm Os, 140
fishfoodie, 140
Slick, 133
SaintK, 130ish
Paddington Bear, 120
sturginho, <120 "they'll bottle it completely"
Dogbert, "Less than 100 - bunch of naked hedgehogs"
EnergiseR2, 88

They need 180 to oust him?

What would be the best outcome? Something tight like 170 to 190.

sturginho wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 6:56 pm

_Os_ wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 6:41 pm Os, 140
fishfoodie, 140
Slick, 133
SaintK, 130ish
Paddington Bear, 120
sturginho, <120 "they'll bottle it completely"
Dogbert, "Less than 100 - bunch of naked hedgehogs"
EnergiseR2, 88

They need 180 to oust him?

If there 130 ish against him he is basically dead man walking. That’s the way the tories like their coups…… whispered conversations from shadowy figures in suits.

petej wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 7:11 pm

sturginho wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 6:56 pm

_Os_ wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 6:41 pm Os, 140
fishfoodie, 140
Slick, 133
SaintK, 130ish
Paddington Bear, 120
sturginho, <120 "they'll bottle it completely"
Dogbert, "Less than 100 - bunch of naked hedgehogs"
EnergiseR2, 88

They need 180 to oust him?

What would be the best outcome? Something tight like 170 to 190.

He wins by a single vote; & then they fight like rats in a sack for the next few months, until the 1922 Committee changes the rules to allow another vote.

Of course it's not really good for anyone, because in the meanwhile, he'll be focused on knifing potential challengers on the back, & not on the cost of living crisis, etc, etc, etc

Can’t see it being a close call, but 130 spells danger.

Slick wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 6:35 pm

GogLais wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 5:42 pm Tory MPs will only have had 12 hours notice of this. Won’t they? Will they all get there in time and what happens if someone can’t?

They can ask another MP to vote on their behalf

Ah ok, so much for the secret ballot. You’d have to choose your friends carefully.

PCPhil wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 7:22 pm Can’t see it being a close call, but 130 spells danger.

I can see it being close - there's c160 Tories publically supporting him (less than May had and she has a smaller party). And why wouldn't you publically support a man who rewards sycophants above all? Some of them are apparently lying and it's a secret ballot.

Think he might actually lose - earlier today I was sure he wouldn't but the vibe from the politicos seems like he could actually lose.

I like neeps wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 7:36 pm

PCPhil wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 7:22 pm Can’t see it being a close call, but 130 spells danger.

I can see it being close - there's c160 Tories publically supporting him (less than May had and she has a smaller party). And why wouldn't you publically support a man who rewards sycophants above all? Some of them are apparently lying and it's a secret ballot.

Think he might actually lose - earlier today I was sure he wouldn't but the vibe from the politicos seems like he could actually lose.

I find that hard to imagine. Only because I assume that it’s only now that 54 letters have been put in. Are there another 130 waiting on the sidelines?

I like neeps wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 7:36 pm

PCPhil wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 7:22 pm Can’t see it being a close call, but 130 spells danger.

I can see it being close - there's c160 Tories publically supporting him (less than May had and she has a smaller party). And why wouldn't you publically support a man who rewards sycophants above all? Some of them are apparently lying and it's a secret ballot.

Think he might actually lose - earlier today I was sure he wouldn't but the vibe from the politicos seems like he could actually lose.

I agree actually

GogLais wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 7:41 pm

I like neeps wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 7:36 pm

PCPhil wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 7:22 pm Can’t see it being a close call, but 130 spells danger.

I can see it being close - there's c160 Tories publically supporting him (less than May had and she has a smaller party). And why wouldn't you publically support a man who rewards sycophants above all? Some of them are apparently lying and it's a secret ballot.

Think he might actually lose - earlier today I was sure he wouldn't but the vibe from the politicos seems like he could actually lose.

I find that hard to imagine. Only because I assume that it’s only now that 54 letters have been put in. Are there another 130 waiting on the sidelines?

It's clear it wasn't an organised coordinated letters in effort otherwise they'd wait until the Tories are panned in the bi-elections or standards committee and presumably have a resignation or so. Seems that people just got really annoyed - which seems worse.

Think of the May no confidence - very publically organised by Moggy, Baker and co.

Boris to win by a much smaller amount than he would like.
Civil War to ensue.

125+ for the rebels

The Scottish Tory MPs have thrown him under the bus and reversed over him and then poured petrol over him and set him alight.

only a few minutes to go ....

I’d forgotten JRM is Minister for Brexit Opportunism.

C69 wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 7:47 pm Boris to win by a much smaller amount than he would like.
Civil War to ensue.

125+ for the rebels

The Scottish Tory MPs have thrown him under the bus and reversed over him and then poured petrol over him and set him alight.

Yes . but only for today . If they follow form,I expect that tomorrow they will be fully behind Joris

Slick wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 7:43 pm

I like neeps wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 7:36 pm

PCPhil wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 7:22 pm Can’t see it being a close call, but 130 spells danger.

I can see it being close - there's c160 Tories publically supporting him (less than May had and she has a smaller party). And why wouldn't you publically support a man who rewards sycophants above all? Some of them are apparently lying and it's a secret ballot.

Think he might actually lose - earlier today I was sure he wouldn't but the vibe from the politicos seems like he could actually lose.

I agree actually

How many of those supporting him actually like him?

Hmm, can't see him losing, but the sounds are ominous for him not winning either.
Whatever Rees-Mogg might try to tell us.

C69 wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 7:47 pm Boris to win by a much smaller amount than he would like.
Civil War to ensue.

125+ for the rebels

The Scottish Tory MPs have thrown him under the bus and reversed over him and then poured petrol over him and set him alight.

There isn't one spine between the lot of them.

They'd happily complete a human centipede with the Bumblecunt

Holy fuck 148 !

148:against. Wow!

148 against.

Dead man walking

Useless fucking Tories

Boris stays.

Was hoping they'd get over 150, but still, 148 Tories who in some small way are in touch with morality/rationality.

salanya wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 8:04 pm Was hoping they'd get over 150, but still, 148 Tories who in some small way are in touch with morality/rationality.

Are you high ?

This has bugger all to do with morality, & is almost entirely down to a Ferrel sense of self-preservation

The blue on blue rage is going to be delicious

fishfoodie wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 8:08 pm

salanya wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 8:04 pm Was hoping they'd get over 150, but still, 148 Tories who in some small way are in touch with morality/rationality.

Are you high ?

This has bugger all to do with morality, & is almost entirely down to a Ferrel sense of self-preservation

I'm an optimist

I'm sure many are just trying to save their own and their party's future.

But I think there are some who believe that Boris has pushed the boundaries of what is acceptable in politics, and that would have weighed into their decision. See the arguments in the Herefordshire MP's letter.

Either way, the 'rebels' are many IQ points ahead of the likes of Dorries who'll jump in the fire to save Boris's wallpaper.

Came in above all out picks other than the pick by, I like neeps.

The next 6 months is going to be big for him. His first challenge is the privileges committee, and if that ends up in a parliamentary vote on a punishment which qualifies for a constituency recall. If there's 50 committed rebels they could use that as leverage to change the 1922 rules, which is more likely than them potentially voting with Labour/SNP/Lib Dems to create a situation where Johnson could face a by election for his seat.

A delicious few months of infighting to go. They'll change the rules to oust him. He's like a barnacle on Chernobyl.

He'll call an election before he allows that to happen.

salanya wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 8:15 pm

fishfoodie wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 8:08 pm

salanya wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 8:04 pm Was hoping they'd get over 150, but still, 148 Tories who in some small way are in touch with morality/rationality.

Are you high ?

This has bugger all to do with morality, & is almost entirely down to a Ferrel sense of self-preservation

I'm an optimist

I'm sure many are just trying to save their own and their party's future.

But I think there are some who believe that Boris has pushed the boundaries of what is acceptable in politics, and that would have weighed into their decision. See the arguments in the Herefordshire MP's letter.

Either way, the 'rebels' are many IQ points ahead of the likes of Dorries who'll jump in the fire to save Boris's wallpaper.

They still happily trotted thru the lobbies to vote for removing peoples right to protest, supported breaking International Law, sending refugees to Rwanda, etc, etc, etc

They've debased themselves for years, if they want to me to consider them as anything but scum, they need to demonstrate their morality in tangible fashion

fishfoodie wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 8:27 pm

salanya wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 8:15 pm

fishfoodie wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 8:08 pm

Are you high ?

This has bugger all to do with morality, & is almost entirely down to a Ferrel sense of self-preservation

I'm an optimist

I'm sure many are just trying to save their own and their party's future.

But I think there are some who believe that Boris has pushed the boundaries of what is acceptable in politics, and that would have weighed into their decision. See the arguments in the Herefordshire MP's letter.

Either way, the 'rebels' are many IQ points ahead of the likes of Dorries who'll jump in the fire to save Boris's wallpaper.

They still happily trotted thru the lobbies to vote for removing peoples right to protest, supported breaking International Law, sending refugees to Rwanda, etc, etc, etc

They've debased themselves for years, if they want to me to consider them as anything but scum, they need to demonstrate their morality in tangible fashion

I didn't say they all turned into Mother Theresa overnight!

Many Tories are selfish and entitled, and a good few of them are indeed of a scummy nature - the cabinet members seem to have been chosen for that quality and have then pushed those scum-levels to another level.

But there are some that are conservative politicians who I may disagree with, but that aren't of the same ilk as Nadine, Rees-Mogg, Raab and Patel. Some even objected to Patel's measures, and the attitude towards Brexit and the NI protocol.
I may disagree with them on most things, and not vote for them, but I don't go in for this black-and-white partisan theatre.

In other news: 148 votes against him is a good result according to Boris. He's very pleased.
It's obviously no surprise, but the man has no shame. He doesn't understand the concept of shame.

I want him to take a leadership role and be more prominent.
The longer he is in post the better. The real infighting and splits start now.

They just can't stop lying

Would be very interesting if all those 148 decided to resign their seats and stand as independents in by-elections. No way a single one of them would of course, but a very tiny hope this will lead to an even bigger split in the Tory party and ultimately creation of a new party of moderates if the party isn't reformed to get rid of the more extreme, corrupt and useless.

fishfoodie wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 8:53 pm They just can't stop lying

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sturginho wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 9:13 pm

fishfoodie wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 8:53 pm They just can't stop lying

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They're equating his leadership win against Hunt with his confidence vote as PM. And are using incorrect numbers to make that equation.

I.e. they are wilfully offering incorrect numbers, some would say they are not telling the truth.