Stop voting for fucking Tories

[tabascoboy]

Would be very interesting if all those 148 decided to resign their seats and stand as independents in by-elections. No way a single one of them would of course, but a very tiny hope this will lead to an even bigger split in the Tory party and ultimately creation of a new party of moderates if the party isn't reformed to get rid of the more extreme, corrupt and useless.

[sturginho]

They just can't stop lying

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[salanya]

They just can't stop lying

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They're equating his leadership win against Hunt with his confidence vote as PM. And are using incorrect numbers to make that equation.

I.e. they are wilfully offering incorrect numbers, some would say they are not telling the truth.

[Dogbert]

Got to love the spin now

Some MP on the news has just announced that as he got a greater percentage of votes from MPs compared to the last leadership contest - an increase from 51% then to 59% now

[Biffer]

Westminster bus stop got it right though

[fishfoodie]

Westminster bus stop got it right though

There was I consulting chicken guts, when tfl had the answer all the time

[Insane_Homer]

[Uncle fester]

Would be very interesting if all those 148 decided to resign their seats and stand as independents in by-elections. No way a single one of them would of course, but a very tiny hope this will lead to an even bigger split in the Tory party and ultimately creation of a new party of moderates if the party isn't reformed to get rid of the more extreme, corrupt and useless.

FPTP voting system would kill them stone dead.

[_Os_]

How is this going to play out?

Not even the smallest hint that he'll resign. He's not like previous Tory leaders, he doesn't give a shit about his party and prioritising the party would be the main reason to resign. Even if he lost 20 more MPs, that's still enough to survive another confidence vote, so it looks like he survives any new confidence vote even if another comes within 6 months or so. He cannot actually govern with this amount of his own MPs against him, but he doesn't give a shit about that either.

The options I can think of:

1. A drawn out parliamentary process starting with the privileges committee that manages to end up in a by election for Johnson's seat.

2. Johnson hits the self destruction button and calls a general election before he's totally overwhelmed, forcing his party to rally behind him and support him. Johnson's hope being he can pump out the nationalism/"boosterism"/bluster/bullshit, win another majority, then crush his opponents (which now really means his party, as it isn't an organised faction more of a general groundswell) with talk of "will of the people". I've been looking at tweets by Tory MPs who back him, they're often "will of the people" arguments about the 2019 election.

3. Something I've seen no one mention. But could he put himself into the Lords and escape a lot of this until January 2025 (the latest a general election has to happen), if he can maintain the backing of most Tory MPs? Unless I'm missing something it's just convention which has developed into the PM being a member of the Commons, and Johnson doesn't give a shit about convention. The UK wouldn't have a government for 2 and half years, but it seems to me it would solve many of his problems. He also likes using the Lords, he made his brother a member, all types of Brexit supporters not just Tories (Kate Hoey and that guy from the Greens), and the cronies like Lebedev too. There was a member of the House of Lords that claimed £50k in attendance and travel expenses in a single year, despite never speaking or submitting any questions, Johnson would keep his PM salary top up so it seems like a small pay cut to avoid all accountability. Not sure he's smart enough, but he could even do a Putin/Medvedev where he uses his stooge in the Commons (who would have to do PMQs) to clean up the Tory image ready for the next election.

[Paddington Bear]

Would be very interesting if all those 148 decided to resign their seats and stand as independents in by-elections. No way a single one of them would of course, but a very tiny hope this will lead to an even bigger split in the Tory party and ultimately creation of a new party of moderates if the party isn't reformed to get rid of the more extreme, corrupt and useless.

This is a very unlikely fantasy.

[C69]

Would be very interesting if all those 148 decided to resign their seats and stand as independents in by-elections. No way a single one of them would of course, but a very tiny hope this will lead to an even bigger split in the Tory party and ultimately creation of a new party of moderates if the party isn't reformed to get rid of the more extreme, corrupt and useless.

This is a very unlikely fantasy.

I wholly agree, as long as there is a right wing Party pandering to the feckless there will always be these extreme corrupt and useless involved.

[_Os_]

Johnson is openly buying support now.

[tabascoboy]

Would be very interesting if all those 148 decided to resign their seats and stand as independents in by-elections. No way a single one of them would of course, but a very tiny hope this will lead to an even bigger split in the Tory party and ultimately creation of a new party of moderates if the party isn't reformed to get rid of the more extreme, corrupt and useless.

This is a very unlikely fantasy.

I wholly agree, as long as there is a right wing Party pandering to the feckless there will always be these extreme corrupt and useless involved.

I did say it was a very tiny hope...and sadly a core of the electorate seem quite happy with a Tory party bulldozing ever more to the right.

[fishfoodie]

I like the LibDem plan to force a Confidence vote in the Commons; it'll force the 148 to either back them, or show themselves to be selfish & unpatriotic hypocrites; as how can they say that the Bumblecunt isn't good enough to lead the Party, but is to lead the Nation ?

[SaintK]

Fom this morning's Cabinet meeting
The blonde slug thinks that it's all over and "a line can be drawn"

It was a very important day because we are able now to draw a line under the issues that our opponents want to talk about and we are able to get on talking about the issues, what the issues that I think the people want ... and what we are doing to help them and to take the country forward. That is what we are going to do. We are going to focus exclusively on that.

We are going to get on with the massive agenda that we were elected to deliver in 2019.
It is a huge, huge thing that we are all part off, to really transform infrastructure, skills and technology, uniting and levelling up across the country, unleashing potential across the whole of the UK.
It is the totally morally, socially, economically, politically the right thing to do and we should be proud, proud, proud of what we’re doing.

Delusional or what?

[Biffer]

I like the LibDem plan to force a Confidence vote in the Commons; it'll force the 148 to either back them, or show themselves to be selfish & unpatriotic hypocrites; as how can they say that the Bumblecunt isn't good enough to lead the Party, but is to lead the Nation ?

No it won’t. It’s an easy out to say that they still think a conservative government, any government is better than the alternative. A no confidence vote in the HoC at the moment is purely performative. In fact it will only shore up Johnson as he’ll be able to say the house is behind him.

[dpedin]

He will not go voluntarily. However he is a dead man walking with by elections and Parliamentary Committee findings still to come. He will die slowly and surely over the summer as unrest grows and more Tories grow more confident and a leadership challenge emerges. The rise of power bills again in the autumn and the huge impact of cost of living will continue to increase unrest and dissatisfaction. He will end up in the bunker at No10 and likely call a General Election as a desperate attempt to keep power. He will lose. Tories have to decide whether to keep their current job with the Blonde Bumblecunt and likely lose seat at next election or get rid of him and have a fighting chance of keeping seat under a new leader. It is the lesser of two evils for them now!

[C69]

I feel there's a lot more to come out and doubt Boris will survive the standards process.
He lied to Parliament. Even if he stays he is tainted and will tear the Tories apart.

Good

[PCPhil]

Even if the party tells him to resign or he stumbles into an election where they are Blair style man shamed he will not go. As his ex school master said of him, “he doesn’t feel that normal rules should apply to him”, despite achieving nothing in his life except bullshit and waffle.

I have a sense of foreboding where I see barbed wire around number 10, Dorries manning a machine gun (maybe they get married before a final suicide pact) and rivers of dom perignon flowing in the streets. There will be blood.

[tabascoboy]

More typical meaningless bollocks which is meant to sound impressive, until they are asked WTF do they mean. Perhaps they want to lose patients the way Netflix is losing subscribers

[Slick]

Even if the party tells him to resign or he stumbles into an election where they are Blair style man shamed he will not go. As his ex school master said of him, “he doesn’t feel that normal rules should apply to him”, despite achieving nothing in his life except bullshit and waffle.

I have a sense of foreboding where I see barbed wire around number 10, Dorries manning a machine gun (maybe they get married before a final suicide pact) and rivers of dom perignon flowing in the streets. There will be blood.

Whatever you think of him and where he came from, lets be fair, he has achieved quite a lot really.

[PCPhil]

Even if the party tells him to resign or he stumbles into an election where they are Blair style man shamed he will not go. As his ex school master said of him, “he doesn’t feel that normal rules should apply to him”, despite achieving nothing in his life except bullshit and waffle.

I have a sense of foreboding where I see barbed wire around number 10, Dorries manning a machine gun (maybe they get married before a final suicide pact) and rivers of dom perignon flowing in the streets. There will be blood.

Whatever you think of him and where he came from, lets be fair, he has achieved quite a lot really.

Can’t see it. Sacked from job for lying (that daddies friends got for him in 1st place). Political career from making wild promises and leaving other people to clear up the mess after he has moved on …..Garden Bridge, Water Canons ffs, Brexit deal that he is now reneging on cus it’s sh1t, bridge to Ireland actually cost us £1M just so he didn’t have to be told he was of his f’cin head when he suggested it, Boris bikes maybe, oh not his as deal was done by Ken Livingstone he just didn’t cancel it (prob forgot).

Some of his actual accomplishments were adding years onto Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe suffering, insulting the entire city of Liverpool and seeing racist attacks increase by 400% immediately after his letterbox burkha comments. So not without some talent.

Oh, and when is he lying (sic) in front of the bulldozers at Heathrow? I’d pay good money to see that.

[Insane_Homer]

Whatever you think of him and where he came from, lets be fair, he has achieved quite a lot really.

The epitome of white male privilege. The cunt has failed upwards his entire life with minimal effort and 100% believe that he's special.

[inactionman]

Even if the party tells him to resign or he stumbles into an election where they are Blair style man shamed he will not go. As his ex school master said of him, “he doesn’t feel that normal rules should apply to him”, despite achieving nothing in his life except bullshit and waffle.

I have a sense of foreboding where I see barbed wire around number 10, Dorries manning a machine gun (maybe they get married before a final suicide pact) and rivers of dom perignon flowing in the streets. There will be blood.

Whatever you think of him and where he came from, lets be fair, he has achieved quite a lot really.

Can’t see it. Sacked from job for lying (that daddies friends got for him in 1st place). Political career from making wild promises and leaving other people to clear up the mess after he has moved on …..Garden Bridge, Water Canons ffs, Brexit deal that he is now reneging on cus it’s sh1t, bridge to Ireland actually cost us £1M just so he didn’t have to be told he was of his f’cin head when he suggested it, Boris bikes maybe, oh not his as deal was done by Ken Livingstone he just didn’t cancel it (prob forgot).

Some of his actual accomplishments were adding years onto Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe suffering, insulting the entire city of Liverpool and seeing racist attacks increase by 400% immediately after his letterbox burkha comments. So not without some talent.

Oh, and when is he lying (sic) in front of the bulldozers at Heathrow? I’d pay good money to see that.

You missed the zipwire.

He's sadly like a significant number of high achievers - their names on the front of quite a few things, their actual contribution net negative (unless, of course, it's their own personal bank account)

[JM2K6]

Even if the party tells him to resign or he stumbles into an election where they are Blair style man shamed he will not go. As his ex school master said of him, “he doesn’t feel that normal rules should apply to him”, despite achieving nothing in his life except bullshit and waffle.

I have a sense of foreboding where I see barbed wire around number 10, Dorries manning a machine gun (maybe they get married before a final suicide pact) and rivers of dom perignon flowing in the streets. There will be blood.

Whatever you think of him and where he came from, lets be fair, he has achieved quite a lot really.

He's been in very high profile roles but his achievements in those roles are largely pitiful.

[sockwithaticket]

Whatever you think of him and where he came from, lets be fair, he has achieved quite a lot really.

The epitome of white male privilege. The cunt has failed upwards his entire life with minimal effort and 100% believe that he's special.

Class privilege. Very few white men get to fail upwards like he has, it's largely those on the upper rungs of the socio-economic ladder with useful connections.

[dpedin]

Have the Met Police completed their investigation, started in December, into the traces of cocaine found in 11 toilets in the HoC only accessible to someone with an official pass? I'm asking as their seems to be a lot of sniffles going around in the HoC at the moment, perhaps its hay fever? Even our distinguished PM seems to have been exposed and had quite a sniffle yesterday.

[Dogbert]

Have the Met Police completed their investigation, started in December, into the traces of cocaine found in 11 toilets in the HoC only accessible to someone with an official pass? I'm asking as their seems to be a lot of sniffles going around in the HoC at the moment, perhaps its hay fever? Even our distinguished PM seems to have been exposed and had quite a sniffle yesterday.

Gives a new significance of "Drawing a line under partygate "

[lemonhead]

More typical meaningless bollocks which is meant to sound impressive, until they are asked WTF do they mean. Perhaps they want to lose patients the way Netflix is losing subscribers

Maybe he meant Blockbuster Video? Flog off the IT estate and wind the clock back 30 years.

[Mahoney]

Javid said "we have a Blockbuster healthcare system in the age of Netflix" - i.e. it's out of date from a technical perspective. Which it probably is - certainly EU people I work with like to go home to get healthcare and find the NHS's lack of digital integration a bit stone age.

[Tichtheid]

[sockwithaticket]

More typical meaningless bollocks which is meant to sound impressive, until they are asked WTF do they mean. Perhaps they want to lose patients the way Netflix is losing subscribers

Blockbuster (as in the video chain), he's saying the NHS is outdated. Which it is in many ways, but rather than use this as the basis for a massive improvement porgramme it's yet another attempt to denigrate the NHS and convince the public it's not fit for purpose, so they can propose ever more privatisation.

[Hal Jordan]

Yep, everything points at flogging the NHS off. As ever, underfund to the point of collapse, privatise the profits, socialise the risks.

[petej]

Whatever you think of him and where he came from, lets be fair, he has achieved quite a lot really.

The epitome of white male privilege. The cunt has failed upwards his entire life with minimal effort and 100% believe that he's special.

Class privilege. Very few white men get to fail upwards like he has, it's largely those on the upper rungs of the socio-economic ladder with useful connections.

Johnson has a talent and it is that of a conman. He is superb at manipulating people.

[fishfoodie]

It's not much of a zinger.

Of course people who shouldn't be getting the support, are getting it; that's what happens when you have to rush in & give a blanket support, instead of a targeted one. Does she waht to wait around until HMRC means test everyone, before they hand out the money ?

If she wants to land a blow, maybe point out that it's 2022, & the fucking HMRC haven't got a computer system that can provide the Chancellor with these numbers, & identify recipients within an hour, based on their assets, & income.

[Biffer]

It's not much of a zinger.

Of course people who shouldn't be getting the support, are getting it; that's what happens when you have to rush in & give a blanket support, instead of a targeted one. Does she waht to wait around until HMRC means test everyone, before they hand out the money ?

If she wants to land a blow, maybe point out that it's 2022, & the fucking HMRC haven't got a computer system that can provide the Chancellor with these numbers, & identify recipients within an hour, based on their assets, & income.

Or ask him why he’s not having the fraud investigated around PPE contracts. The money lost to that would be worth £400 for every taxpayer, which is more than £400 per household.

[fishfoodie]

It's not much of a zinger.

Of course people who shouldn't be getting the support, are getting it; that's what happens when you have to rush in & give a blanket support, instead of a targeted one. Does she waht to wait around until HMRC means test everyone, before they hand out the money ?

If she wants to land a blow, maybe point out that it's 2022, & the fucking HMRC haven't got a computer system that can provide the Chancellor with these numbers, & identify recipients within an hour, based on their assets, & income.

Or ask him why he’s not having the fraud investigated around PPE contracts. The money lost to that would be worth £400 for every taxpayer, which is more than £400 per household.

It would cost more to recover the money, than would be recovered. Why do you think they've been closing courts, & defunding legal aid, the Police, etc ?

It would take twenty years to recover a fraction of the money the British taxpayer has lost; but that's what happens when you elect bandits.

[fishfoodie]

Another fertile area of investigation for HMRC, would be the legality of the tax affairs of the Cabinet, & if they object ... well the people will make up their own minds .....

Labour calls for HMRC investigation of Sajid Javid’s tax affairs

Party says health secretary ‘potentially avoided paying hundreds of thousands of pounds’

Labour has called on tax authorities to investigate the financial affairs of the health secretary, Sajid Javid, The Independent has learned.

The party has penned a letter to HMRC requesting a fresh examination of the cabinet minister’s historic tax arrangements.

It centres on Mr Javid’s ties to a company called SA Capital. These links raise the “possibility that he has been a beneficiary of a loan scheme designed to avoid paying UK tax”, said the shadow health secretary, Wes Streeting.

A spokesperson for Mr Javid said the request for an investigation was a “smear attempt” by the Labour Party.

It comes after a series of reports on Mr Javid’s financial status. The health secretary used non-domicile status to reduce his UK tax bill and had an off-shore trust, even while he worked as a parliamentary private secretary in the Treasury.
....

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 96019.html

[Tichtheid]

It's not much of a zinger.

Of course people who shouldn't be getting the support, are getting it; that's what happens when you have to rush in & give a blanket support, instead of a targeted one. Does she waht to wait around until HMRC means test everyone, before they hand out the money ?

If she wants to land a blow, maybe point out that it's 2022, & the fucking HMRC haven't got a computer system that can provide the Chancellor with these numbers, & identify recipients within an hour, based on their assets, & income.

Well, for example, every single house purchaser is not means tested on how much stamp duty they pay, but in England, Wales and presumably Norn Irn you pay vey different levels if you are a first time buyer or if you are moving home. In Scotland you pay more stamp duty equivalent on a second home than you would do if you are simply moving house. So there is already a means in place to apply a system that is targeted.

I thought the point about Sunak donating his own allowance was him being philanthropic with other people’s money was a good point.

[Biffer]

It's not much of a zinger.

Of course people who shouldn't be getting the support, are getting it; that's what happens when you have to rush in & give a blanket support, instead of a targeted one. Does she waht to wait around until HMRC means test everyone, before they hand out the money ?

If she wants to land a blow, maybe point out that it's 2022, & the fucking HMRC haven't got a computer system that can provide the Chancellor with these numbers, & identify recipients within an hour, based on their assets, & income.

Or ask him why he’s not having the fraud investigated around PPE contracts. The money lost to that would be worth £400 for every taxpayer, which is more than £400 per household.

It would cost more to recover the money, than would be recovered. Why do you think they've been closing courts, & defunding legal aid, the Police, etc ?

It would take twenty years to recover a fraction of the money the British taxpayer has lost; but that's what happens when you elect bandits.

My point was it’s a better question to ask in committee, not whether or not it’s recoverable. Much more awkward for the chancellor, much more focus on their funnelling money to chums, much more focus on corruption at the heart of government.