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Posted: **Fri Feb 05, 2021 4:00 pm**

tc27 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 3:55 pm Encouraging data from Israel:

Posted: **Fri Feb 05, 2021 4:05 pm**

Tattie wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 3:19 pm
tc27 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 2:13 pm

Really feels like its going up a gear this week with the biggest days yet to come if the pattern repeats.

Impressive figures for Scotland and Wales - particularly Wales.

That must be about 1.3% of over 16s in Wales in a single day and about 1.1% in Scotland

Total for the UK ended up at 485K doses yesterday

That moves the 7 day average to 444K per day; 3.1 million per week

Posted: **Fri Feb 05, 2021 4:13 pm**

Tattie wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 3:19 pm
tc27 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 2:13 pm

Really feels like its going up a gear this week with the biggest days yet to come if the pattern repeats.

Impressive figures for Scotland and Wales - particularly Wales.

That must be about 1.3% of over 16s in Wales in a single day and about 1.1% in Scotland

Wales could overtake England per head at the current rate:

Really good numbers from Scotland but lost ground to make up.

Posted: **Fri Feb 05, 2021 4:14 pm**

Biffer wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 1:33 pm
SaintK wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 1:24 pm Left hand not knowing what right hand is doing or saying...................yet again!!
We reported earlier that the Cabinet Office said all UK adults aged 50 and over should receive a coronavirus vaccine by the start of May.
However, Downing Street dismissed the timetable in the government document – which said the first nine priority groups of people should have been offered a coronavirus vaccine by early May – prompting renewed confusion over the expected date.
Any programme for reopening the economy depends on the speed of what is officially termed phase 1 of the vaccination programme, which takes in the top nine groups by vulnerability to the virus, going as far as all adults aged 50 and above.
No 10 has said only that the target to reach this milestone is “spring”, refusing repeatedly to be more precise.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021 ... -schedule

Fuck me, they are so fucking useless at comms
[media] [/media]
Yeah, this language of 'eligible' and 'offered' is deliberate obfuscation, as Thommo seems to have found out.

Slippery politicians eh Biffsta?

Posted: **Fri Feb 05, 2021 4:16 pm**

tc27 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 4:13 pm
Tattie wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 3:19 pm
tc27 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 2:13 pm

Really feels like its going up a gear this week with the biggest days yet to come if the pattern repeats.

Impressive figures for Scotland and Wales - particularly Wales.

That must be about 1.3% of over 16s in Wales in a single day and about 1.1% in Scotland

Wales could overtake England per head at the current rate:

Really good numbers from Scotland but lost ground to make up.

The law of large numbers (relative to the other UK nations) will start to impact England. There's so much more scaling out to be done

Posted: **Fri Feb 05, 2021 4:24 pm**

tc27 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 4:13 pm
Tattie wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 3:19 pm
tc27 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 2:13 pm

Really feels like its going up a gear this week with the biggest days yet to come if the pattern repeats.

Impressive figures for Scotland and Wales - particularly Wales.

That must be about 1.3% of over 16s in Wales in a single day and about 1.1% in Scotland

Wales could overtake England per head at the current rate:

Really good numbers from Scotland but lost ground to make up.

If we were all on Wales' current rate then there would be over 700k vaccinations per day in total. There have obviously been different priorities and logistical issues etc across the 4 nations but I think they will even out and be on roughly the same rate/% within a few weeks.

Posted: **Fri Feb 05, 2021 4:45 pm**

It'd be good to get those rates up to a million a day, ready for when we have to start 2nd doses - so that it doesn't slow down the rate of new vaccinations. Hopefully supplies are also increasing as manufacturers ramp up production.

My sister gets hers tomorrow, mine is on Tuesday - unfortunately (depending on how you look at it !) Mrs Ovals is in group 5 so it won't help much until she gets her date. Shouldn't be too long at the rates they're achieving.

Posted: **Fri Feb 05, 2021 4:49 pm**

Ovals wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 4:45 pm It'd be good to get those rates up to a million a day, ready for when we have to start 2nd doses - so that it doesn't slow down the rate of new vaccinations. Hopefully supplies are also increasing as manufacturers ramp up production.

My sister gets hers tomorrow, mine is on Tuesday - unfortunately (depending on how you look at it !) Mrs Ovals is in group 5 so it won't help much until she gets her date. Shouldn't be too long at the rates they're achieving.

You sly dog....well played

Posted: **Fri Feb 05, 2021 4:52 pm**

Ovals wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 4:45 pm It'd be good to get those rates up to a million a day, ready for when we have to start 2nd doses - so that it doesn't slow down the rate of new vaccinations. Hopefully supplies are also increasing as manufacturers ramp up production.

My sister gets hers tomorrow, mine is on Tuesday - unfortunately (depending on how you look at it !) Mrs Ovals is in group 5 so it won't help much until she gets her date. Shouldn't be too long at the rates they're achieving.

I think there probably needs to be some realism here. 1 million a day would represent 40% over the revised government target - which itself is 150% over the initial target that many thought would be a difficult target to hit.

Posted: **Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:26 pm**

tc27 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 4:49 pm
Ovals wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 4:45 pm It'd be good to get those rates up to a million a day, ready for when we have to start 2nd doses - so that it doesn't slow down the rate of new vaccinations. Hopefully supplies are also increasing as manufacturers ramp up production.

My sister gets hers tomorrow, mine is on Tuesday - unfortunately (depending on how you look at it !) Mrs Ovals is in group 5 so it won't help much until she gets her date. Shouldn't be too long at the rates they're achieving.
You sly dog....well played

Not quite as good as it sounds - I'm in the 'extremely vulnerable' group due to medication I take for a chronic illness that otherwise has little effect on me now. Hence I am bumped from 5 to 4 despite only being a couple of years older than her. Having said that, I was batting waaaaay above my average when I landed Mrs Ovals and she's still very attractive

She's ageing far better than me !

Sorry, no Rule 1 on this ocassion.................

Posted: **Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:47 pm**

tc27 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:45 am [
Pretty much this - also from what I can gather the Brit haters/swarm are now focusing hard on bashing the AZ vaccine 'useless monkey virus'.

Someone created a multi called 'Sputnik V' with a shirtless Putin as the avatar.

Sputnik isn't a multi - he's on a Don Quixote type mission against "western" ideology and achievement.

Posted: **Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:59 pm**

Enzedder wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:47 pm
tc27 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:45 am [
Pretty much this - also from what I can gather the Brit haters/swarm are now focusing hard on bashing the AZ vaccine 'useless monkey virus'.

Someone created a multi called 'Sputnik V' with a shirtless Putin as the avatar.
Sputnik isn't a multi - he's on a Don Quixote type mission against "western" ideology and achievement.

I think it is more that he sees the AZ vaccine as being 'English' and that's enough for him to be dissing it at every opportunity.

Posted: **Fri Feb 05, 2021 8:54 pm**

Saint wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 4:52 pm
Ovals wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 4:45 pm It'd be good to get those rates up to a million a day, ready for when we have to start 2nd doses - so that it doesn't slow down the rate of new vaccinations. Hopefully supplies are also increasing as manufacturers ramp up production.

My sister gets hers tomorrow, mine is on Tuesday - unfortunately (depending on how you look at it !) Mrs Ovals is in group 5 so it won't help much until she gets her date. Shouldn't be too long at the rates they're achieving.
I think there probably needs to be some realism here. 1 million a day would represent 40% over the revised government target - which itself is 150% over the initial target that many thought would be a difficult target to hit.

Hearing that supply rather than capacity to deliver is going to be the issue going forward.

Posted: **Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:11 pm**

AZ seem very confident they can deliver 100 million doses by the end of June which means every adult will have had at least one Jab.

Moderna coming in April too.

I wonder if any AZ is being swapped for PZ? The whole row has gone very quiet.

Posted: **Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:17 pm**

dpedin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 8:54 pm
Saint wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 4:52 pm
Ovals wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 4:45 pm It'd be good to get those rates up to a million a day, ready for when we have to start 2nd doses - so that it doesn't slow down the rate of new vaccinations. Hopefully supplies are also increasing as manufacturers ramp up production.

My sister gets hers tomorrow, mine is on Tuesday - unfortunately (depending on how you look at it !) Mrs Ovals is in group 5 so it won't help much until she gets her date. Shouldn't be too long at the rates they're achieving.
I think there probably needs to be some realism here. 1 million a day would represent 40% over the revised government target - which itself is 150% over the initial target that many thought would be a difficult target to hit.
Hearing that supply rather than capacity to deliver is going to be the issue going forward.

I agree it will be the limitation, but we're talking about a totally different level of scale. I don't believe we'll reach that point

Posted: **Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:19 pm**

tc27 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:11 pm AZ seem very confident they can deliver 100 million doses by the end of June which means every adult will have had at least one Jab.

Moderna coming in April too.

I wonder if any AZ is being swapped for PZ? The whole row has gone very quiet.

There have been three Pfizer export requests since the rules came in, 1 to UK and 2 to Canada. All signed off and approved

Posted: **Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:03 pm**

I'll repost here. Good news... a cure as opposed to a vaccine from the dastardly laser shooting yids.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/israeli-covi ... 09164.html

Posted: **Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:46 pm**

Flockwitt wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:03 pm I'll repost here. Good news... a cure as opposed to a vaccine from the dastardly laser shooting yids.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/israeli-covi ... 09164.html

There are some very clever people doing amazing work out there. The advances that have been achieved over 10 months of concerted (in the main) global co-operation have been astounding.

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:23 am**

Saint wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:17 pm
dpedin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 8:54 pm
Saint wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 4:52 pm

I think there probably needs to be some realism here. 1 million a day would represent 40% over the revised government target - which itself is 150% over the initial target that many thought would be a difficult target to hit.
Hearing that supply rather than capacity to deliver is going to be the issue going forward.
I agree it will be the limitation, but we're talking about a totally different level of scale. I don't believe we'll reach that point

Probably wishful thinking on my part - but I think we could do it if the vaccine supply was available at that level. If we don't increase the levels, we'll soon get to a point where there are very limited numbers of people getting 1st jabs as we'll have to match current numbers with 2nd jabs.

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:09 am**

Ovals wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:59 pm
Enzedder wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:47 pm
tc27 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:45 am [
Pretty much this - also from what I can gather the Brit haters/swarm are now focusing hard on bashing the AZ vaccine 'useless monkey virus'.

Someone created a multi called 'Sputnik V' with a shirtless Putin as the avatar.
Sputnik isn't a multi - he's on a Don Quixote type mission against "western" ideology and achievement.
I think it is more that he sees the AZ vaccine as being 'English' and that's enough for him to be dissing it at every opportunity.

Well, as late as 1996 AZ and Pfizer amongst others were doing drug trials on Africans without their consent.They only stopped after being caught red-handed and a huge outcry ensued. So as much as they've achieved great things, one can understand the slight reservations of some.
Disclaimer - not an anti-vaxxer, campaigning hard in real life to get our pop vaccinated.

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:49 am**

Ovals wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:23 am
Saint wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:17 pm
dpedin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 8:54 pm

Hearing that supply rather than capacity to deliver is going to be the issue going forward.
I agree it will be the limitation, but we're talking about a totally different level of scale. I don't believe we'll reach that point
Probably wishful thinking on my part - but I think we could do it if the vaccine supply was available at that level. If we don't increase the levels, we'll soon get to a point where there are very limited numbers of people getting 1st jabs as we'll have to match current numbers with 2nd jabs.

The target is to get to 5 million a week. I reckon that's going to take us a good 5-7 weeks more, so by the time we get there around half will be second dose, the other half first dose. By that stage we should have delivered a good 20 million+ additional doses.

I'd be fairly content with that as an outstanding performance, even if that means a slowdown in new people getting their first jab

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:01 am**

Yeah I guess we will be going at half speed when we have 50% first doses and 50% second doses.

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:24 am**

Flockwitt wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:03 pm I'll repost here. Good news... a cure as opposed to a vaccine from the dastardly laser shooting yids.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/israeli-covi ... 09164.html

That really is exciting news, presumably the cure would be just as effective with any mutation of the virus itself, buying time to change the vaccine if and when needed.

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:00 am**

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:24 am
Flockwitt wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:03 pm I'll repost here. Good news... a cure as opposed to a vaccine from the dastardly laser shooting yids.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/israeli-covi ... 09164.html

That really is exciting news, presumably the cure would be just as effective with any mutation of the virus itself, buying time to change the vaccine if and when needed.

Yep that would be awesome. If that's successful in later trials they should really open up the patents on that.

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:08 am**

There's a hell of a lot of co-operation and data sharing that goes on behind the scenes despite all the West vs East politics sh1t we get fed. The work that has gone into this gives a lot of hope for the future nasties that will no doubt be along at some point.

BTW: Globby gets ill with covid, recovers...and then there is a major step change in early stage development across the world that has led to a lot of highly successful vaccines. Just a coincidence?

#globbysavesusall

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:17 am**

Saint wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:49 am
Ovals wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:23 am
Saint wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:17 pm

I agree it will be the limitation, but we're talking about a totally different level of scale. I don't believe we'll reach that point
Probably wishful thinking on my part - but I think we could do it if the vaccine supply was available at that level. If we don't increase the levels, we'll soon get to a point where there are very limited numbers of people getting 1st jabs as we'll have to match current numbers with 2nd jabs.
The target is to get to 5 million a week. I reckon that's going to take us a good 5-7 weeks more, so by the time we get there around half will be second dose, the other half first dose. By that stage we should have delivered a good 20 million+ additional doses.

I'd be fairly content with that as an outstanding performance, even if that means a slowdown in new people getting their first jab

Yeah - I'd settle for 5m a week - that'd be enough to keep decent progress being made with 1st and 2nd jabs.

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:33 am**

Enzedder wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:47 pm
tc27 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:45 am [
Pretty much this - also from what I can gather the Brit haters/swarm are now focusing hard on bashing the AZ vaccine 'useless monkey virus'.

Someone created a multi called 'Sputnik V' with a shirtless Putin as the avatar.
Sputnik isn't a multi - he's on a Don Quixote type mission against "western" ideology and achievement.

Dozy?

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:41 am**

FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:09 am
Ovals wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:59 pm
Enzedder wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:47 pm

Sputnik isn't a multi - he's on a Don Quixote type mission against "western" ideology and achievement.
I think it is more that he sees the AZ vaccine as being 'English' and that's enough for him to be dissing it at every opportunity.
Well, as late as 1996 AZ and Pfizer amongst others were doing drug trials on Africans without their consent.They only stopped after being caught red-handed and a huge outcry ensued. So as much as they've achieved great things, one can understand the slight reservations of some.
Disclaimer - not an anti-vaxxer, campaigning hard in real life to get our pop vaccinated.

Pfizer have some form in that area. Any eveidence for AZ? (who didn't exist in 1996)

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:50 am**

Ovals wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:17 am
Saint wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:49 am
Ovals wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:23 am

Probably wishful thinking on my part - but I think we could do it if the vaccine supply was available at that level. If we don't increase the levels, we'll soon get to a point where there are very limited numbers of people getting 1st jabs as we'll have to match current numbers with 2nd jabs.
The target is to get to 5 million a week. I reckon that's going to take us a good 5-7 weeks more, so by the time we get there around half will be second dose, the other half first dose. By that stage we should have delivered a good 20 million+ additional doses.

I'd be fairly content with that as an outstanding performance, even if that means a slowdown in new people getting their first jab
Yeah - I'd settle for 5m a week - that'd be enough to keep decent progress being made with 1st and 2nd jabs.

50 million adults in the UK. 17 million doses given, 83 million to go.

If we get to 5 million a week by end of March, we’ll have done over 30 million, 70 million more would take 14 weeks

-> all adults done with two doses by middle to end of August.

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:02 pm**

Dinsdale Piranha wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:41 am
FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:09 am
Ovals wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:59 pm

I think it is more that he sees the AZ vaccine as being 'English' and that's enough for him to be dissing it at every opportunity.
Well, as late as 1996 AZ and Pfizer amongst others were doing drug trials on Africans without their consent.They only stopped after being caught red-handed and a huge outcry ensued. So as much as they've achieved great things, one can understand the slight reservations of some.
Disclaimer - not an anti-vaxxer, campaigning hard in real life to get our pop vaccinated.
Pfizer have some form in that area. Any eveidence for AZ? (who didn't exist in 1996)

Yes you are right. Some how the AZT scandal in Zim stuck in my head but that wasn't AZ or its predecessors.

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 4:06 pm**

498k doses delivered yesterday. First day this week that isn't significantly up on the previous week, so no real upgrade on the 7 day average

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:45 pm**

Cases don't seem to want to drop too much more past the 18-20k range, which is still very significant. Surely there can't be talk of ending lockdown until we get the cases actually dropping again.

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:52 pm**

Raggs wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:45 pm Cases don't seem to want to drop too much more past the 18-20k range, which is still very significant. Surely there can't be talk of ending lockdown until we get the cases actually dropping again.

And unfortunately the spreading segments of our population will be last vaccinated.

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:13 pm**

Some not so good news it seems on the AZ vaccine?

(Reuters) - The COVID-19 vaccine developed by AstraZeneca and Oxford University does not appear to protect against mild and moderate disease caused by the South African coronavirus variant, the Financial Times reported on Saturday, citing a study due to be published on Monday.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-heal ... SKBN2A60RH

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:23 pm**

The Druid wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:13 pm Some not so good news it seems on the AZ vaccine?

(Reuters) - The COVID-19 vaccine developed by AstraZeneca and Oxford University does not appear to protect against mild and moderate disease caused by the South African coronavirus variant, the Financial Times reported on Saturday, citing a study due to be published on Monday.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-heal ... SKBN2A60RH

Thats a nuts headline and pretty irresponsible

It protects against death and severe illness/hospitalisation.

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:29 pm**

Well I hope its far from the truth, but Reuters are usually reliable are they not?

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:34 pm**

The Druid wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:29 pm Well I hope its far from the truth, but Reuters are usually reliable are they not?

I think the point is more that if you don't have death/severe illness, it doesn't mean you're absolutely fine, just that you've not got that bad. I'd think you can almost increase the amount of mild illness, because of all the "higher" levels being brought down to just mild.

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:37 pm**

The Druid wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:29 pm Well I hope its far from the truth, but Reuters are usually reliable are they not?

It's enormously irresponsible because it implies that other vaccines es do. The trouble being that they almost certainly don't either.

The simple fact is that all the vaccines so far produce antibodies that are, to all intents and purposes, identical. So if one isn't providing a hoped for response, then none of them will.

We have never been in a position before where we have a multitude of vaccine options like this, and the sooner that the press understand that what was is not what is, the sooner we might actually get through this.

Posted: **Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:47 pm**

Anyway really underlines the border must be closed.

Not in 7 days.

Right now.

Posted: **Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:38 am**

Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:50 am
Ovals wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:17 am
Saint wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 7:49 am

The target is to get to 5 million a week. I reckon that's going to take us a good 5-7 weeks more, so by the time we get there around half will be second dose, the other half first dose. By that stage we should have delivered a good 20 million+ additional doses.

I'd be fairly content with that as an outstanding performance, even if that means a slowdown in new people getting their first jab
Yeah - I'd settle for 5m a week - that'd be enough to keep decent progress being made with 1st and 2nd jabs.
50 million adults in the UK. 17 million doses given, 83 million to go.

If we get to 5 million a week by end of March, we’ll have done over 30 million, 70 million more would take 14 weeks

-> all adults done with two doses by middle to end of August.

17 million ??

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