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Posted: **Wed Nov 13, 2024 9:09 am**

Heh, a question for the legal eagles. If a president has the power of pardon then does another president have the power to unpardon?

Posted: **Wed Nov 13, 2024 9:26 am**

Flockwitt wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 9:09 am Heh, a question for the legal eagles. If a president has the power of pardon then does another president have the power to unpardon?

Nope.

Although I've no idea if prosecutors could re-prosecute.

I'm wondering if certain people in New York and elsewhere might wait until Trump is no longer president before looking again at certain offences.

Posted: **Wed Nov 13, 2024 10:25 am**

Biffer wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 9:04 am
Kiwias wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 9:00 am
Biffer wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 8:28 am Musk's efficiency will involve cutiing NASA and NOAA massively ang giving contracts to himself.
The obvious question is: aren't there rules and regulations in place governing blatant and obvious conflicts of interest?
Even if there are, Trumps previous administration and his previous statements mean they’ll ride over them and carry on regardless. If it’s turns out to be criminal, Trump will pardon everyone and tell them to continue.

My question was rhetorical in spirit, as I expected pretty much what you described.

Posted: **Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:18 pm**

Slick wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 7:57 am I guess it’s in my nature to give folk a chance and I hoped that for all his campaign bluster he would be a bit more moderate and sensible in power. Also hoped he would be true to form and shaft everyone who helped him. But, no, this is a bit of a nightmare unfolding.

Second term and even if he changes term limits somehow, he probably won't be able to go for another so he'll never need to sell reelection ever again.

Posted: **Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:22 pm**

inactionman wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 9:26 am
Flockwitt wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 9:09 am Heh, a question for the legal eagles. If a president has the power of pardon then does another president have the power to unpardon?
Nope.

Although I've no idea if prosecutors could re-prosecute.

I'm wondering if certain people in New York and elsewhere might wait until Trump is no longer president before looking again at certain offences.

Which offences?

Statute of limitations is going to be highly problematic, unless there's some slim chance he continues to commit fresh crimes at a state level

Posted: **Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:47 pm**

Kiwias wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 10:25 am
Biffer wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 9:04 am
Kiwias wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 9:00 am

The obvious question is: aren't there rules and regulations in place governing blatant and obvious conflicts of interest?
Even if there are, Trumps previous administration and his previous statements mean they’ll ride over them and carry on regardless. If it’s turns out to be criminal, Trump will pardon everyone and tell them to continue.
My question was rhetorical in spirit, as I expected pretty much what you described.

The actual answer is that Senate Repulicans are blocking the appointment of a new chief ethics law enforcement officer so that Trump can install his own crony.

Also :Department of Government Efficiency = D.O.G.E. as Musk himself has Tweeted.

It's going to be time to nail wooden boards across America and paint a red cross on it. It would be laughable if it wasn't such a human tragedy in the long term.

Posted: **Wed Nov 13, 2024 1:06 pm**

DOGE is so efficient it's getting two people in charge...

Posted: **Wed Nov 13, 2024 1:36 pm**

Hal Jordan wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:47 pm
Kiwias wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 10:25 am
Biffer wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 9:04 am

Even if there are, Trumps previous administration and his previous statements mean they’ll ride over them and carry on regardless. If it’s turns out to be criminal, Trump will pardon everyone and tell them to continue.
My question was rhetorical in spirit, as I expected pretty much what you described.
The actual answer is that Senate Repulicans are blocking the appointment of a new chief ethics law enforcement officer so that Trump can install his own crony.

Also :Department of Government Efficiency = D.O.G.E. as Musk himself has Tweeted.

It's going to be time to nail wooden boards across America and paint a red cross on it. It would be laughable if it wasn't such a human tragedy in the long term.

Reflects Musk's attitude that this is just a bit of fun, all just a game.

Posted: **Wed Nov 13, 2024 3:25 pm**

Biffer wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 8:28 am Musk's efficiency will involve cutiing NASA and NOAA massively ang giving contracts to himself.

The irony that a man who thinks he should get paid $40 billion has been put in charge of efficiency.

Posted: **Wed Nov 13, 2024 3:29 pm**

He was pretty good at cutting costs at twitter, if that's all they're taking efficiency to mean.

Posted: **Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:16 pm**

inactionman wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 3:29 pm He was pretty good at cutting costs at twitter, if that's all they're taking efficiency to mean.

True, and the fact that it has also gone completely to shit is I'm sure nothing to do with him at all...

Posted: **Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:20 pm**

tabascoboy wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:16 pm
inactionman wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 3:29 pm He was pretty good at cutting costs at twitter, if that's all they're taking efficiency to mean.
True, and the fact that it has also gone completely to shit is I'm sure nothing to do with him at all...

There's so much value now!

Posted: **Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:26 pm**

tabascoboy wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:16 pm
inactionman wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 3:29 pm He was pretty good at cutting costs at twitter, if that's all they're taking efficiency to mean.
True, and the fact that it has also gone completely to shit is I'm sure nothing to do with him at all...

Twitter going down the shitter is all the fault of the meanie big boys who wouldn't stump up for the advertising space.

I'll admit I've lost track of where his antitrust suit has gone, it could even have been laughed out of court by now.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn47798gxx4o

For a free speech free market libertarian, he's not very free speech, free market nor very libertarian.

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Posted: **Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:46 pm**

inactionman wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 3:29 pm He was pretty good at cutting costs at twitter, if that's all they're taking efficiency to mean.

It's almost definitely what they are taking efficiency to mean, lots of sackings followed by lots of resignations as it becomes a shit show.

Posted: **Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:58 pm**

So what are the odds of someone in Trump's cabinet not lasting through 2025?

Compare the rabble that's being assemble vs. Biden's stable group with genuine rock stars in it like Jina Riamondo

Posted: **Wed Nov 13, 2024 5:30 pm**

Presumably all government officials will be efficiently driving about in those stockpiled, un sellable Teslas in a few months.

Posted: **Wed Nov 13, 2024 7:45 pm**

Flockwitt wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:58 pm So what are the odds of someone in Trump's cabinet not lasting through 2025?

Compare the rabble that's being assemble vs. Biden's stable group with genuine rock stars in it like Jina Riamondo

I'm betting on somebody not making it to the end of 2024, i.e. gone before they even get into office.

Posted: **Wed Nov 13, 2024 9:35 pm**

Matt Gaetz for attorney general.

You. Could. Not. Make. It. Up.

Posted: **Wed Nov 13, 2024 9:38 pm**

Flockwitt wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:58 pm So what are the odds of someone in Trump's cabinet not lasting through 2025?

What are the odds on Trump not making it through 2 years?

Posted: **Wed Nov 13, 2024 9:51 pm**

Guy Smiley wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 9:38 pm
Flockwitt wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:58 pm So what are the odds of someone in Trump's cabinet not lasting through 2025?

What are the odds on Trump not making it through 2 years?

He will be fine. Kicking back watching Fox till 12 when he steps out to tell his minions what do from what he’s seen on the news, then goes to implement his latest cash scheme while Miller and co get on with running things. He’ll be untouchable until the mid-terms.

Posted: **Wed Nov 13, 2024 10:03 pm**

Flockwitt wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 9:35 pm Matt Gaetz for attorney general.

You. Could. Not. Make. It. Up.

Only the best people.

Posted: **Wed Nov 13, 2024 10:29 pm**

Gumboot wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 10:03 pm
Flockwitt wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 9:35 pm Matt Gaetz for attorney general.

You. Could. Not. Make. It. Up.
Only the best people.

Strongly suspect this will not be something to laugh at very soon, if it even is now.

Can't quite manage it.

Posted: **Wed Nov 13, 2024 10:52 pm**

Justice4Rapists, for too long the system has been against them it would seem.

Posted: **Wed Nov 13, 2024 11:14 pm**

lemonhead wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 10:29 pm
Gumboot wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 10:03 pm
Flockwitt wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 9:35 pm Matt Gaetz for attorney general.

You. Could. Not. Make. It. Up.
Only the best people.
Strongly suspect this will not be something to laugh at very soon, if it even is now.

Can't quite manage it.

Not sure how else to respond to this madness, fret and fume for the next four years?

No thanks. The people have spoken, and the cunts are back in power. That's that.

Posted: **Wed Nov 13, 2024 11:36 pm**

Nope. Agreed, getting in any way emotional would not be productive either.

Pensively watch and wait for things to go bang is probably ahead on points at the minute. Won't expect a long wait, this will get messy.

Posted: **Wed Nov 13, 2024 11:59 pm**

Yep. The only real thing that’ll stop them is if they over play their hand and do something so egregious some moderate Republicans join with the Dems. Probably be a moderately chilly day in the naughty place for that to happen though.

Posted: **Thu Nov 14, 2024 12:38 am**

lemonhead wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 10:29 pm
Gumboot wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 10:03 pm
Flockwitt wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 9:35 pm Matt Gaetz for attorney general.

You. Could. Not. Make. It. Up.
Only the best people.
Strongly suspect this will not be something to laugh at very soon, if it even is now.

Can't quite manage it.

I don't know. He has the whole world laughing at him - apart from those poor buggers in the US. There's nothing else we can do, to be honest.

Posted: **Thu Nov 14, 2024 1:17 am**

You know he is purely taking the piss with Gabbard as DNI and Gaetz as AG, just sitting there watching the frenzy and reveling in it.

Posted: **Thu Nov 14, 2024 8:17 am**

This is the lunacy that the Brits turned away from but the tanks decided to double down.

Posted: **Thu Nov 14, 2024 9:16 am**

Kiwias wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 1:17 am You know he is purely taking the piss with Gabbard as DNI and Gaetz as AG, just sitting there watching the frenzy and reveling in it.

They don't exactly have a huge pool of competent individuals to fish in - most of the sensible Republicans have deserted ship or wouldn't pledge undying loyalty to the Orange Gibbon. It has strong parallels to the death throes of Tory Party where, after the Blonde Bbumbelcunts purge of the party, if you could stand up, talk and didn't have a record of sexual abuse/fraud etc then you were given a ministerial position or even Co-Chair of the Party. It won't end well for Trumps reign but there again he doesnt give a shit about that, all he wants is to stay out of jail and make loads of more money from the state.

Posted: **Thu Nov 14, 2024 10:49 am**

dpedin wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 9:16 am
Kiwias wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 1:17 am You know he is purely taking the piss with Gabbard as DNI and Gaetz as AG, just sitting there watching the frenzy and reveling in it.
They don't exactly have a huge pool of competent individuals to fish in - most of the sensible Republicans have deserted ship or wouldn't pledge undying loyalty to the Orange Gibbon. It has strong parallels to the death throes of Tory Party where, after the Blonde Bbumbelcunts purge of the party, if you could stand up, talk and didn't have a record of sexual abuse/fraud etc then you were given a ministerial position or even Co-Chair of the Party. It won't end well for Trumps reign but there again he doesnt give a shit about that, all he wants is to stay out of jail and make loads of more money from the state.

Spot on there, mate. I was almost expecting him to nominate Trey Gowdy as the AG.

Posted: **Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:03 am**

Kiwias wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 1:17 am You know he is purely taking the piss with Gabbard as DNI and Gaetz as AG, just sitting there watching the frenzy and reveling in it.

Tbh, I don't think Trump thinks about things at that level. These will simply be the people who've brown-nosed him sufficiently.

Posted: **Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:30 am**

sockwithaticket wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:03 am
Kiwias wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 1:17 am You know he is purely taking the piss with Gabbard as DNI and Gaetz as AG, just sitting there watching the frenzy and reveling in it.
Tbh, I don't think Trump thinks about things at that level. These will simply be the people who've brown-nosed him sufficiently.

I reckon Noem made it on the back of her utterly gormless appearance on the stage when he just played music and swayed for 30mins.

Posted: **Thu Nov 14, 2024 12:22 pm**

inactionman wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:26 pm
tabascoboy wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:16 pm
inactionman wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 3:29 pm He was pretty good at cutting costs at twitter, if that's all they're taking efficiency to mean.
True, and the fact that it has also gone completely to shit is I'm sure nothing to do with him at all...
Twitter going down the shitter is all the fault of the meanie big boys who wouldn't stump up for the advertising space.

I'll admit I've lost track of where his antitrust suit has gone, it could even have been laughed out of court by now.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn47798gxx4o

For a free speech free market libertarian, he's not very free speech, free market nor very libertarian.

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Hard to make a case against them for stopping advertising on X when he himself told them this:

https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/29/239 ... -destroy-x

Posted: **Thu Nov 14, 2024 12:26 pm**

Kiwias wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 12:22 pm
inactionman wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:26 pm
tabascoboy wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 4:16 pm

True, and the fact that it has also gone completely to shit is I'm sure nothing to do with him at all...
Twitter going down the shitter is all the fault of the meanie big boys who wouldn't stump up for the advertising space.

I'll admit I've lost track of where his antitrust suit has gone, it could even have been laughed out of court by now.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn47798gxx4o

For a free speech free market libertarian, he's not very free speech, free market nor very libertarian.

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Hard to make a case against them for stopping advertising on X when he himself told them this:

https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/29/239 ... -destroy-x

It just makes his resort to legal action even more ridiculous.

Posted: **Thu Nov 14, 2024 3:09 pm**

The Onion bought Infowars , looks like things are getting interesting in the US...

Posted: **Thu Nov 14, 2024 3:23 pm**

laurent wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 3:09 pm The Onion bought Infowars , looks like things are getting interesting in the US...

That even sounds like an Onion article.

They're planning to relaunch as a parody site taking the shit out of people like Jones. A few more years and I'll have trouble following what's real anymore.

Posted: **Thu Nov 14, 2024 4:40 pm**

Biffer wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 3:23 pm
laurent wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 3:09 pm The Onion bought Infowars , looks like things are getting interesting in the US...
That even sounds like an Onion article.

They're planning to relaunch as a parody site taking the shit out of people like Jones. A few more years and I'll have trouble following what's real anymore.

It's real.
The Onion buys rightwing conspiracy theory site Infowars with plans to make it ‘very funny, very stupid’ https://www.theguardian.com/media/2024/ ... re_btn_url

Maybe I'm not understanding what Infowars is but have they just paid money for a YouTube channel that has the name Infowars?
How does this help? Jones will just start up a different channel and his fan base will move over there.

Posted: **Thu Nov 14, 2024 5:27 pm**

The only thing about the current situation in the US is that they're lucky Trump's not a chunk smarter than he is. At least the writing is on the wall when you appoint a Putin apologist as intelligence director. There are going to be some interesting Senate hearings.

Posted: **Thu Nov 14, 2024 5:58 pm**

Uncle fester wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 4:40 pm
Biffer wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 3:23 pm
laurent wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 3:09 pm The Onion bought Infowars , looks like things are getting interesting in the US...
That even sounds like an Onion article.

They're planning to relaunch as a parody site taking the shit out of people like Jones. A few more years and I'll have trouble following what's real anymore.
It's real.
The Onion buys rightwing conspiracy theory site Infowars with plans to make it ‘very funny, very stupid’ https://www.theguardian.com/media/2024/ ... re_btn_url

Maybe I'm not understanding what Infowars is but have they just paid money for a YouTube channel that has the name Infowars?
How does this help? Jones will just start up a different channel and his fan base will move over there.

It won't be in his name, & if it earns any money then that will go to the families too, as selling everything isn't going to discharge the debt he owes

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