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Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:00 pm
by Yeeb
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:50 am
Longshanks wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:19 am
It's called preparing the way for Boris' climbdown.
To be fair, and I’m not inclined to be fair to Johnson, a deal isn’t really a climbdown imo, avoiding no deal lunacy is the least terrible option at this stage.
This.
Any business agreement needs negotiation and compromise, which is why Mrs May’s ‘red lines’ was such a daft and unhelpful way to negotiate, harking back the shop stewards of the 70’s
A redline is basically a declaration of ‘I’m not going to listen to you’ in which case why even have a meeting ?
Hopefully farage will disappear now, having got uk out of Europe and seemingly with an agreement of sorts , is kind of all his wish list so he can fuck off.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:05 pm
by Longshanks
Just to add.....
Rinkals was just saying how we need reliable press in the UK. Germany obviously needs the same.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:14 pm
by tabascoboy
Yeeb wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:00 pm
Hopefully farage will disappear now, having got uk out of Europe and seemingly with an agreement of sorts , is kind of all his wish list so he can fuck off.
No such luck, now grabbing onto the Anti Lockdown bandwagon.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:16 pm
by Rhubarb & Custard
ScarfaceClaw wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:45 pm
sturginho wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:22 pm
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:18 pm
FOB, or fresh off the boat, to celebrate the arrival of the new non white non Christian migrants in a giant getting fobbed off for all those who voted with team racism
I still can't tell if this is serious?
£18m of the cost is to build a giant wicker man in Kent. It’s being done by a company registered in the Seychelles tomorrow and will source all the materials from Poland.
Not being able to tell if any of this is serious is a big part of the Brexit experience. The key seemingly is to think it's all nonsense, and then either decide to stare aghast at the stupidity, or to take a view the unicorns will arrive early next week
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:18 pm
by Longshanks
tabascoboy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:14 pm
Yeeb wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:00 pm
Hopefully farage will disappear now, having got uk out of Europe and seemingly with an agreement of sorts , is kind of all his wish list so he can fuck off.
No such luck, now grabbing onto the Anti Lockdown bandwagon.
Considering we have a mass vaccination program coming on steam, he better hurry up.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:20 pm
by Rhubarb & Custard
Longshanks wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:18 pm
tabascoboy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:14 pm
Yeeb wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:00 pm
Hopefully farage will disappear now, having got uk out of Europe and seemingly with an agreement of sorts , is kind of all his wish list so he can fuck off.
No such luck, now grabbing onto the Anti Lockdown bandwagon.
Considering we have a mass vaccination program coming on steam, he better hurry up.
He still has his campaigns to bring back guns and bring back the death penalty to assure he can get his name in the media enough.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:21 pm
by Longshanks
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:20 pm
Longshanks wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:18 pm
tabascoboy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:14 pm
No such luck, now grabbing onto the Anti Lockdown bandwagon.
Considering we have a mass vaccination program coming on steam, he better hurry up.
He still has his campaigns to bring back guns and bring back the death penalty to assure he can get his name in the media enough.
Maybe he can go and work for the SNP. Much the same thing as ukip
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:24 pm
by Yeeb
Longshanks wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:21 pm
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:20 pm
Longshanks wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:18 pm
Considering we have a mass vaccination program coming on steam, he better hurry up.
He still has his campaigns to bring back guns and bring back the death penalty to assure he can get his name in the media enough.
Maybe he can go and work for the SNP. Much the same thing as ukip
Yup
For a one trick pony, he has been very successful compared to wee Nicola Krankie
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:43 pm
by Tichtheid
Hrmm,
SNP policy at 2019 GE
on Brexit
Support a second EU referendum
Support revocation of Article 50 if it is the only alternative to no deal
Protect the funding Scotland receives through EU Structural and Social Funds
Maintain current and future EU standards and regulations in key areas like animal and plant health
on immigration
Support creation of a 'Scottish visa'
Oppose "hostile environment"
Implement declaratory system for registration of EU citizens
Oppose the £30,000 minimum salary threshold for immigrants
Reduce cost of citizenship application process
Preserve freedom of movement with the EU
Extend the no-deal three-year 'temporary leave to remain'
Where is the overlap with UKIP?
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:45 pm
by fishfoodie
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:20 pm
Longshanks wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:18 pm
tabascoboy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:14 pm
No such luck, now grabbing onto the Anti Lockdown bandwagon.
Considering we have a mass vaccination program coming on steam, he better hurry up.
He still has his campaigns to bring back guns and bring back the death penalty to assure he can get his name in the media enough.
It's just one Pyramid scheme after another for him; found a Party, con halfwits into becoming members, & candidates, & charge them for the privilege; & then fold the party, & spin up a new Party & con them again.
I'd feel sorry for the mugs if they weren't all racist scumbags.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:47 pm
by Insane_Homer
Excellent news.
Although the source is a bit vague....
We have spoken to Nissan tonight and they have dismissed the reports.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:48 pm
by Longshanks
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:43 pm
Hrmm,
SNP policy at 2019 GE
on Brexit
Support a second EU referendum
Support revocation of Article 50 if it is the only alternative to no deal
Protect the funding Scotland receives through EU Structural and Social Funds
Maintain current and future EU standards and regulations in key areas like animal and plant health
on immigration and trade
Support creation of a 'Scottish visa'
Oppose "hostile environment"
Implement declaratory system for registration of EU citizens
Oppose the £30,000 minimum salary threshold for immigrants
Reduce cost of citizenship application process
Preserve freedom of movement with the EU
Extend the no-deal three-year 'temporary leave to remain'
Where is the overlap with UKIP?
Unicorns.
And hating people from another country.
That's what both parties have in common
If the conservatives were pro eu, SNP would back leave.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:49 pm
by Longshanks
Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:47 pm
Excellent news.
Although the source is a bit vague....
We have spoken to Nissan tonight and they have dismissed the reports.
Slightly less vague than your source mind.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:00 pm
by Bimbowomxn
Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:47 pm
Excellent news.
Although the source is a bit vague....
We have spoken to Nissan tonight and they have dismissed the reports.
Another day , another bit of fake news.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:01 pm
by Yeeb
Longshanks wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:48 pm
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:43 pm
Hrmm,
SNP policy at 2019 GE
on Brexit
Support a second EU referendum
Support revocation of Article 50 if it is the only alternative to no deal
Protect the funding Scotland receives through EU Structural and Social Funds
Maintain current and future EU standards and regulations in key areas like animal and plant health
on immigration and trade
Support creation of a 'Scottish visa'
Oppose "hostile environment"
Implement declaratory system for registration of EU citizens
Oppose the £30,000 minimum salary threshold for immigrants
Reduce cost of citizenship application process
Preserve freedom of movement with the EU
Extend the no-deal three-year 'temporary leave to remain'
Where is the overlap with UKIP?
Unicorns.
And hating people from another country.
That's what both parties have in common
If the conservatives were pro eu, SNP would back leave.
Also SNP only backed a second referendum because the fat pasty drunken ginger violent twats lost , whereas UKIP won
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:02 pm
by Tichtheid
Longshanks wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:48 pm
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:43 pm
Hrmm,
SNP policy at 2019 GE
on Brexit
Support a second EU referendum
Support revocation of Article 50 if it is the only alternative to no deal
Protect the funding Scotland receives through EU Structural and Social Funds
Maintain current and future EU standards and regulations in key areas like animal and plant health
on immigration and trade
Support creation of a 'Scottish visa'
Oppose "hostile environment"
Implement declaratory system for registration of EU citizens
Oppose the £30,000 minimum salary threshold for immigrants
Reduce cost of citizenship application process
Preserve freedom of movement with the EU
Extend the no-deal three-year 'temporary leave to remain'
Where is the overlap with UKIP?
Unicorns.
And hating people from another country.
That's what both parties have in common
If the conservatives were pro eu, SNP would back leave.
See, this is what a lot of English people just don't get, the motivation for independence isn't about England or English people, it really isn't about you at all.
The SNP used to be known as Tartan Tories, it's not about party politics either , it's about a country being responsible for its own actions and future, one of their policies is try to re-join the EU, or was, I don't know what the current situation is on this as I don't actually support the SNP.
There are some idiots in Scotland who whine about "The English", just as you get people in England talking about Sweaties and Jocks, you get fuckwits everywhere and Scotland is no different in that respect, but that is not what self-determination is about.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:19 pm
by lilyw
Yeeb wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:00 pm
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:50 am
Longshanks wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:19 am
It's called preparing the way for Boris' climbdown.
To be fair, and I’m not inclined to be fair to Johnson, a deal isn’t really a climbdown imo, avoiding no deal lunacy is the least terrible option at this stage.
This.
Any business agreement needs negotiation and compromise,
which is why Mrs May’s ‘red lines’ was such a daft and unhelpful way to negotiate, harking back the shop stewards of the 70’s
A redline is basically a declaration of ‘I’m not going to listen to you’ in which case why even have a meeting ?
Hopefully farage will disappear now, having got uk out of Europe and seemingly with an agreement of sorts , is kind of all his wish list so he can fuck off.
An alternative view is that declaring your red lines in advance is a way of ensuring that the negotiations are completely transparent. The EU also has red lines.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:43 pm
by Biffer
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:02 pm
Longshanks wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:48 pm
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:43 pm
Hrmm,
SNP policy at 2019 GE
on Brexit
Support a second EU referendum
Support revocation of Article 50 if it is the only alternative to no deal
Protect the funding Scotland receives through EU Structural and Social Funds
Maintain current and future EU standards and regulations in key areas like animal and plant health
on immigration and trade
Support creation of a 'Scottish visa'
Oppose "hostile environment"
Implement declaratory system for registration of EU citizens
Oppose the £30,000 minimum salary threshold for immigrants
Reduce cost of citizenship application process
Preserve freedom of movement with the EU
Extend the no-deal three-year 'temporary leave to remain'
Where is the overlap with UKIP?
Unicorns.
And hating people from another country.
That's what both parties have in common
If the conservatives were pro eu, SNP would back leave.
See, this is what a lot of English people just don't get, the motivation for independence isn't about England or English people, it really isn't about you at all.
The SNP used to be known as Tartan Tories, it's not about party politics either , it's about a country being responsible for its own actions and future, one of their policies is try to re-join the EU, or was, I don't know what the current situation is on this as I don't actually support the SNP.
There are some idiots in Scotland who whine about "The English", just as you get people in England talking about Sweaties and Jocks, you get fuckwits everywhere and Scotland is no different in that respect, but that is not what self-determination is about.
There are certain groups within English society who will never accept that it isn't all about them. On any topic.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:07 pm
by Yeeb
lilyw wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:19 pm
Yeeb wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:00 pm
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:50 am
To be fair, and I’m not inclined to be fair to Johnson, a deal isn’t really a climbdown imo, avoiding no deal lunacy is the least terrible option at this stage.
This.
Any business agreement needs negotiation and compromise,
which is why Mrs May’s ‘red lines’ was such a daft and unhelpful way to negotiate, harking back the shop stewards of the 70’s
A redline is basically a declaration of ‘I’m not going to listen to you’ in which case why even have a meeting ?
Hopefully farage will disappear now, having got uk out of Europe and seemingly with an agreement of sorts , is kind of all his wish list so he can fuck off.
An alternative view is that declaring your red lines in advance is a way of ensuring that the negotiations are completely transparent. The EU also has red lines.
Transparent she wasn’t a good politician or could reach any consensus with anyone , no wonder Eu told her to fuck off, say there would be no changes or agreement, and then a short while later reach an agreement with Boris that was strikingly similar. (That Boris would later try and and ignore , but that’s another can of worms)
If as has been bandied around on news sights that the remaining sticking points are line by line fish quotas & how much governments can provide aid, then it seems as if some kind of agreement is close, and Mrs Red lines can stick them up her arse.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:11 pm
by Yeeb
Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:43 pm
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:02 pm
Longshanks wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:48 pm
Unicorns.
And hating people from another country.
That's what both parties have in common
If the conservatives were pro eu, SNP would back leave.
See, this is what a lot of English people just don't get, the motivation for independence isn't about England or English people, it really isn't about you at all.
The SNP used to be known as Tartan Tories, it's not about party politics either , it's about a country being responsible for its own actions and future, one of their policies is try to re-join the EU, or was, I don't know what the current situation is on this as I don't actually support the SNP.
There are some idiots in Scotland who whine about "The English", just as you get people in England talking about Sweaties and Jocks, you get fuckwits everywhere and Scotland is no different in that respect, but that is not what self-determination is about.
There are certain groups within English society who will never accept that it isn't all about them. On any topic.
Every country has these.
It is kind of weird though how somehow the SNP’s aim of being independent from Uk (London) is somehow seen as a just and fair cause , but UKIP / brexit aim for the uk to be independent from the Eu, is someone evil / stupid / racist / misled. Why the snp wants out of Uk but not out of Eu is an odd contradictory conundrum, i for one am glad they ‘lost’ on both issues.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:11 pm
by Bimbowomxn
There are certain groups within English society who will never accept that it isn't all about them. On any topic.
No there isn’t , our nationalist scum claim to be British normally.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:32 pm
by Tichtheid
Yeeb wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:11 pm
It is kind of weird though how somehow the SNP’s aim of being independent from Uk (London) is somehow seen as a just and fair cause , but UKIP / brexit aim for the uk to be independent from the Eu, is someone evil / stupid / racist / misled. Why the snp wants out of Uk but not out of Eu is an odd contradictory conundrum, i for one am glad they ‘lost’ on both issues.
Is France an independent country whose direction is controlled by its own citizens? Germany? Belgium? Ireland etc?
I would argue that they are, but there are certain areas of legislation where they pool resources to make trade easier, for their own and each others' benefit.
Under the current arrangement Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are little more than regions of the UK where by weight of population they will be governed by the decisions made by the electorate in the largest country of the four.
In the case of the SNP they campaigned to remain part of the EU, they are pro freedom of movement and pro immigration, they are polar opposites to the kippers.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:49 pm
by Insane_Homer
Yeeb wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:11 pm
It is kind of weird though how somehow the SNP’s aim of being independent from Uk (London) is somehow seen as a just and fair cause , but UKIP / brexit aim for the uk to be independent from the Eu, is someone evil / stupid / racist / misled. Why the snp wants out of Uk but not out of Eu is an odd contradictory conundrum, i for one am glad they ‘lost’ on both issues.
Weird that Brits wanting to be independent of the EU is good, but the Scots wanting to be independent from Britain is bad.
Wasn't the slogan from Indy ref #1 "better together"?
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:52 pm
by Longshanks
Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:49 pm
Yeeb wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:11 pm
It is kind of weird though how somehow the SNP’s aim of being independent from Uk (London) is somehow seen as a just and fair cause , but UKIP / brexit aim for the uk to be independent from the Eu, is someone evil / stupid / racist / misled. Why the snp wants out of Uk but not out of Eu is an odd contradictory conundrum, i for one am glad they ‘lost’ on both issues.
Weird that Brits wanting to be independent of the EU is good, but the Scots wanting to be independent from Britain is bad.
Wasn't the slogan from Indy ref #1 "better together"?
Both crap ideas if you ask me.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:53 pm
by MoreOrLess
lilyw wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:19 pm
Yeeb wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:00 pm
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:50 am
To be fair, and I’m not inclined to be fair to Johnson, a deal isn’t really a climbdown imo, avoiding no deal lunacy is the least terrible option at this stage.
This.
Any business agreement needs negotiation and compromise,
which is why Mrs May’s ‘red lines’ was such a daft and unhelpful way to negotiate, harking back the shop stewards of the 70’s
A redline is basically a declaration of ‘I’m not going to listen to you’ in which case why even have a meeting ?
Hopefully farage will disappear now, having got uk out of Europe and seemingly with an agreement of sorts , is kind of all his wish list so he can fuck off.
An alternative view is that declaring your red lines in advance is a way of ensuring that the negotiations are completely transparent. The EU also has red lines.
I've always found this hard to balance. On one hand the public expects (and probably deserves) to know what is being negotiated for on their behalf. On the other hand, as soon as you do that you give away your negotiating position.
If you demand 4 red lines, the EU could concede on 3 of them and look like they're being gracious for giving you most of them, but you've still lost on one of them which will inevitably be made to look like a capitulation.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:53 pm
by Bimbowomxn
I would argue that they are, but there are certain areas of legislation where they pool resources to make trade easier, for their own and each others' benefit.
Like a common market ?
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:58 pm
by Rinkals
Longshanks wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:05 pm
Just to add.....
Rinkals was just saying how we need reliable press in the UK. Germany obviously needs the same.
Not just the UK.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:08 pm
by fishfoodie
MoreOrLess wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:53 pm
lilyw wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:19 pm
Yeeb wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:00 pm
This.
Any business agreement needs negotiation and compromise,
which is why Mrs May’s ‘red lines’ was such a daft and unhelpful way to negotiate, harking back the shop stewards of the 70’s
A redline is basically a declaration of ‘I’m not going to listen to you’ in which case why even have a meeting ?
Hopefully farage will disappear now, having got uk out of Europe and seemingly with an agreement of sorts , is kind of all his wish list so he can fuck off.
An alternative view is that declaring your red lines in advance is a way of ensuring that the negotiations are completely transparent. The EU also has red lines.
I've always found this hard to balance. On one hand the public expects (and probably deserves) to know what is being negotiated for on their behalf. On the other hand, as soon as you do that you give away your negotiating position.
If you demand 4 red lines, the EU could concede on 3 of them and look like they're being gracious for giving you most of them, but you've still lost on one of them which will inevitably be made to look like a capitulation.
That's why the original ref was flawed; it was both a blank cheque, & a suicide note. Anything delivered was always going to be arguably a failure.
There should always have been a 2nd ref, for the people to ratify whatever was eventually negotiated.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:18 pm
by Longshanks
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:08 pm
MoreOrLess wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:53 pm
lilyw wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:19 pm
An alternative view is that declaring your red lines in advance is a way of ensuring that the negotiations are completely transparent. The EU also has red lines.
I've always found this hard to balance. On one hand the public expects (and probably deserves) to know what is being negotiated for on their behalf. On the other hand, as soon as you do that you give away your negotiating position.
If you demand 4 red lines, the EU could concede on 3 of them and look like they're being gracious for giving you most of them, but you've still lost on one of them which will inevitably be made to look like a capitulation.
That's why the original ref was flawed; it was both a blank cheque, & a suicide note. Anything delivered was always going to be arguably a failure.
There should always have been a 2nd ref, for the people to ratify whatever was eventually negotiated.
But you already know the problem with that
If the EU know that there will be a second referendum on the deal, they offer the worst deal possible.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:23 pm
by Tichtheid
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:08 pm
That's why the original ref was flawed; it was both a blank cheque, & a suicide note. Anything delivered was always going to be arguably a failure.
There should always have been a 2nd ref, for the people to ratify whatever was eventually negotiated.
Well, despite the face of the leave campaign, Farrage, saying that it was "unfinished business" and that there would definitely be more campaigning and another referendum when it was looking like it would turn out very closely in favour of Remain during the early hours after the polls shut, somehow the swing in the other direction meant the matter was closed and screams of "Democracy" drown out debate.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:33 pm
by fishfoodie
Longshanks wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:18 pm
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:08 pm
MoreOrLess wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:53 pm
I've always found this hard to balance. On one hand the public expects (and probably deserves) to know what is being negotiated for on their behalf. On the other hand, as soon as you do that you give away your negotiating position.
If you demand 4 red lines, the EU could concede on 3 of them and look like they're being gracious for giving you most of them, but you've still lost on one of them which will inevitably be made to look like a capitulation.
That's why the original ref was flawed; it was both a blank cheque, & a suicide note. Anything delivered was always going to be arguably a failure.
There should always have been a 2nd ref, for the people to ratify whatever was eventually negotiated.
But you already know the problem with that
If the EU know that there will be a second referendum on the deal, they offer the worst deal possible.
As opposed to the rosy situation we have now ?
I don't think it'd make a damn bit of difference to the EU; they are always going to try to squeeze as much out of a deal as they can; just like anyone else will.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:39 pm
by Longshanks
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:33 pm
Longshanks wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:18 pm
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:08 pm
That's why the original ref was flawed; it was both a blank cheque, & a suicide note. Anything delivered was always going to be arguably a failure.
There should always have been a 2nd ref, for the people to ratify whatever was eventually negotiated.
But you already know the problem with that
If the EU know that there will be a second referendum on the deal, they offer the worst deal possible.
As opposed to the rosy situation we have now ?
I don't think it'd make a damn bit of difference to the EU; they are always going to try to squeeze as much out of a deal as they can; just like anyone else will.
Whether that is true or not (and I don't think they'd be considering compromises on the 3 remaining areas if there was a second ref) that would be the perception. Brexiteers would claim a better deal would have been offered without the 2nd ref.
The only way the UK rejoins is after we leave. This has to be settled once and for all. Either it works out OK, or we have to eat humble pie.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 5:17 pm
by Insane_Homer
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/folkestone ... ssion=true
Huge queues are building on the M20 amid French trials for post-Brexit procedures.
A long line of trucks have been halted in their efforts to access the Eurotunnel near Folkestone, with the jam stretching back to Junction 11.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 5:20 pm
by Bimbowomxn
Or a threat as it’s otherwise known.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 6:03 pm
by Flockwitt
Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 5:20 pm
Or a threat as it’s otherwise known.
Well if you were idiotic enough to think the EU would just let the UK leave you deserve all you get.
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:05 pm
by ASMO
Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 5:20 pm
Or a threat as it’s otherwise known.
So rehearsing plans on dealing with post Brexit no deal cross border traffic is a threat according to you and not prudent planning? Do you work for the Daily Heil by any chance?
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:15 pm
by Hellraiser
Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 5:20 pm
Or a threat as it’s otherwise known.
The logical and obvious consequences of a no deal crash out are a threat now?
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:24 pm
by sturginho
ASMO wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:05 pm
Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 5:20 pm
Or a threat as it’s otherwise known.
So rehearsing plans on dealing with post Brexit no deal cross border traffic is a threat according to you and not prudent planning? Do you work for the Daily Heil by any chance?
Pfft the Daily fail wishes they had bimbo!
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:27 am
by Insane_Homer
Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 5:20 pm
Or a threat as it’s otherwise known.
What're you going to call it after 1 January?
Re: The Brexit Thread
Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:06 am
by Tichtheid
Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:27 am
Bimbowomxn wrote: ↑Tue Nov 24, 2020 5:20 pm
Or a threat as it’s otherwise known.
What're you going to call it after 1 January?
The EU’s fault, probably.