Openside wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:29 am
Allegedly penalties are practiced at every training session so taking the extraordinary step of shoehorning two youngsters on at the death was for good reason. They score their penalties and it looks inspired, they miss it’s a tactical clusterfuck - fine margins
Agreed, he went with his strikers, makes sense from where I'm sitting. Had he left them benched and a defender missed a penalty there'd be even more stupid shit flinging whataboutery
yup there is only success or failure - nothing in between...
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:05 am
Farage got pelted with bottles as well - amusing.
In terms of fan behaviour yesterday - most of London was a genuine party atmosphere and was great fun. Where it wasn't I think we need to start having a conversation about drug culture. I have never seen as much cocaine in my life as I did on the Met Line between Harrow and Baker Street yesterday.
The pub I was in there was 12 outdoor tables, not one didn't have at least one person with a key. My friends included: had a day off today so big final drinking since 2 needed a livener around 7 and halftime.
It is always those guys who miss their penalty, who start doing delays and dribblings or trying to outsmart the keeper. ALWAYS. I can tell by their run up if they are going to miss or not. It is always the same thing. FFS just hammer the thing in, like Kane did for example. Thats the only way to shoot a penalty.
And that’s why goalkeepers should always make the taker beat them. Don’t go early: in five kicks under pressure, one or two will be saveable by reacting. You see more keepers doing this in shootouts now.
If you’re a professional who’s likely to take penalty kicks, practice. Make sure you’ve got two kicks, for two different corners. Pick one and do it.
He's a hardy fella, isn't he.
Presume he must be retiring soon for Italy?
He's a proper throwback to defenders of old. Fuck ugly, owning his baldness rather than resorting to billiard ball smoothness or hair plugs, and willing to cripple his own grandmother if she was on the opposing team and offering a threat on goal.
He's a hardy fella, isn't he.
Presume he must be retiring soon for Italy?
He's a proper throwback to defenders of old. Fuck ugly, owning his baldness rather than resorting to billiard ball smoothness or hair plugs, and willing to cripple his own grandmother if she was on the opposing team and offering a threat on goal.
Kawazaki wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:32 pm
Often a 19-year old will put his hand up to do something to impress the group. The manager needs to recognise the difference between bravado and genuine ability to perform under pressure.
The real problem I suspect is how England treat taking a penalty. Do they treat it as a repeatable motor skill or as a mental challenge?
The top rugby goal kickers remove much of the mental gymnastics by going into a 'kicking-mode' that clears their head of everything around them. It then just becomes the repeatable motor-skill.
Football pundits/managers/players nearly always scoff at rugby kickers and will argue that it is easy. But of course it isn't but it can look easy when a payer like Wilkinson or Carter does it but only because they have done all the hard work.
A professional footballer should be able to kick a dead ball 12 yards into the 'postage stamp' part of the goal. Kick it there and regardless of the keeper's dive and size it will go in. Most of the time the penalty taker beats himself by overthinking it.
I am not sure they are directly comparable. A rugby player has a margin for error with a kick at goal so long as the ball crosses the bar and goes between the posts at any height above the bar. Bad strikes that scrape over the bar by 2mm and great strikes where the ball clears by metres end up in the same result. Rugby players also don't have a 6ft 4 keeper trying to stop them.
Many players will go long stretches without missing a penalty; Sancho and Rashford haven't missed many at all over the years but with the added pressure of having it all on the line they missed. Rugby players miss penalties/goal kicks/drop goals too, often at critical times. Hastings in a world cup semi final, Weepu, Trin Duch and Yashvilli in a close world cup final, Hook in a world cup semi final in 2011 spring to mind.
There was an interesting twitter thread on penalties It is definitely a mental issue. Will see if I can find it.
I agree it's a mental challenge which I referenced. My question is how you remove the mental element from the challenge which is what rugby goal kickers have largely done.
Simply take the keeper out of the equation by kicking it where he can never save it. Achieve that by developing a personalised pre-kick routine that has been practiced repeatedly over and over - just like rugby goal kickers do. The point is, it doesn't matter how big or athletic the goalkeeper is, if you kick the ball with some power into the 'postage stamp' part of the goal it will always go in.
The only football player who I've seen who has a pre shot routine that echoes what rugby kickers do is Cristiano Ronaldo.
Kawazaki wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:53 pm
I agree it's a mental challenge which I referenced. My question is how you remove the mental element from the challenge which is what rugby goal kickers have largely done.
Simply take the keeper out of the equation by kicking it where he can never save it. Achieve that by developing a personalised pre-kick routine that has been practiced repeatedly over and over - just like rugby goal kickers do. The point is, it doesn't matter how big or athletic the goalkeeper is, if you kick the ball with some power into the 'postage stamp' part of the goal it will always go in.
The only football player who I've seen who has a pre shot routine that echoes what rugby kickers do is Cristiano Ronaldo.
Yes, but that isn't repeatable to kick to that exact point in the goals. Same way as rugby kickers don't dissect the uprights at the same point every time. If a rugby player mishits a penalty but sets it off on line there is a good chance the ball goes over. If a footballer slightly mishits a penalty it can go over, wide, be saved by the keeper.
No footballer in history has been able to hit the same point of the goals every time the same way as no kicker is the history of rugby has created an infallible routine otherwise there would never be kickers missing from 40m in.
We really have no idea how rugby players would react in that situation because there is nothing directly similar to a football penalty shoot out. A rugby shootout is kicking over the posts from 22m out which isn't comparable.
The match on 11/07/2021 was not fair at all. After italy only receiving a yellow card for dragging England players like they were slaves. All the pushes, pulls and kicks and Italy was still allowed to win? Definitely biased. Italy should have been given a red card for their gameplay and the rematch should happen with a non biased referee. This was not fair at all.
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Kawazaki wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:53 pm
I agree it's a mental challenge which I referenced. My question is how you remove the mental element from the challenge which is what rugby goal kickers have largely done.
Simply take the keeper out of the equation by kicking it where he can never save it. Achieve that by developing a personalised pre-kick routine that has been practiced repeatedly over and over - just like rugby goal kickers do. The point is, it doesn't matter how big or athletic the goalkeeper is, if you kick the ball with some power into the 'postage stamp' part of the goal it will always go in.
The only football player who I've seen who has a pre shot routine that echoes what rugby kickers do is Cristiano Ronaldo.
Yes, but that isn't repeatable to kick to that exact point in the goals. Same way as rugby kickers don't dissect the uprights at the same point every time. If a rugby player mishits a penalty but sets it off on line there is a good chance the ball goes over. If a footballer slightly mishits a penalty it can go over, wide, be saved by the keeper.
No footballer in history has been able to hit the same point of the goals every time the same way as no kicker is the history of rugby has created an infallible routine otherwise there would never be kickers missing from 40m in.
We really have no idea how rugby players would react in that situation because there is nothing directly similar to a football penalty shoot out. A rugby shootout is kicking over the posts from 22m out which isn't comparable.
The penalty spot is always 12 yards away from the centre of the goal. If anything, it's an easier repeatable skill than rugby goalkicks because that starting position never changes. Remember what I wrote, what rugby goal kickers do is aim to remove the mental aspect of the task. I don't think footballers do this, they worry about what the goalkeeper is going to do rather than what they are going to do. That's the dynamic. Take the goalkeeper out of the equation.
Control what's in your power to control and all that.
Kawazaki wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:53 pm
I agree it's a mental challenge which I referenced. My question is how you remove the mental element from the challenge which is what rugby goal kickers have largely done.
Simply take the keeper out of the equation by kicking it where he can never save it. Achieve that by developing a personalised pre-kick routine that has been practiced repeatedly over and over - just like rugby goal kickers do. The point is, it doesn't matter how big or athletic the goalkeeper is, if you kick the ball with some power into the 'postage stamp' part of the goal it will always go in.
The only football player who I've seen who has a pre shot routine that echoes what rugby kickers do is Cristiano Ronaldo.
Yes, but that isn't repeatable to kick to that exact point in the goals. Same way as rugby kickers don't dissect the uprights at the same point every time. If a rugby player mishits a penalty but sets it off on line there is a good chance the ball goes over. If a footballer slightly mishits a penalty it can go over, wide, be saved by the keeper.
No footballer in history has been able to hit the same point of the goals every time the same way as no kicker is the history of rugby has created an infallible routine otherwise there would never be kickers missing from 40m in.
We really have no idea how rugby players would react in that situation because there is nothing directly similar to a football penalty shoot out. A rugby shootout is kicking over the posts from 22m out which isn't comparable.
The penalty spot is always 12 yards away from the centre of the goal. If anything, it's an easier repeatable skill than rugby goalkicks because that starting position never changes. Remember what I wrote, what rugby goal kickers do is aim to remove the mental aspect of the task. I don't think footballers do this, they worry about what the goalkeeper is going to do rather than what they are going to do. That's the dynamic. Take the goalkeeper out of the equation.
Control what's in your power to control and all that.
I agree with you to an extent. If you look at the first two penalties, Kane does what you suggest and takes the keeper out of the equation by drilling it hard into the bottom left corner. Berardi on the other hand takes the keeper out of the equation by disguising his intention and then going the other way. But both are clearly pre-meditated, I think the issue comes when players begin to second guess themselves which is what happened to Rashford
Kawazaki wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:53 pm
I agree it's a mental challenge which I referenced. My question is how you remove the mental element from the challenge which is what rugby goal kickers have largely done.
Simply take the keeper out of the equation by kicking it where he can never save it. Achieve that by developing a personalised pre-kick routine that has been practiced repeatedly over and over - just like rugby goal kickers do. The point is, it doesn't matter how big or athletic the goalkeeper is, if you kick the ball with some power into the 'postage stamp' part of the goal it will always go in.
The only football player who I've seen who has a pre shot routine that echoes what rugby kickers do is Cristiano Ronaldo.
Yes, but that isn't repeatable to kick to that exact point in the goals. Same way as rugby kickers don't dissect the uprights at the same point every time. If a rugby player mishits a penalty but sets it off on line there is a good chance the ball goes over. If a footballer slightly mishits a penalty it can go over, wide, be saved by the keeper.
No footballer in history has been able to hit the same point of the goals every time the same way as no kicker is the history of rugby has created an infallible routine otherwise there would never be kickers missing from 40m in.
We really have no idea how rugby players would react in that situation because there is nothing directly similar to a football penalty shoot out. A rugby shootout is kicking over the posts from 22m out which isn't comparable.
The penalty spot is always 12 yards away from the centre of the goal. If anything, it's an easier repeatable skill than rugby goalkicks because that starting position never changes. Remember what I wrote, what rugby goal kickers do is aim to remove the mental aspect of the task. I don't think footballers do this, they worry about what the goalkeeper is going to do rather than what they are going to do. That's the dynamic. Take the goalkeeper out of the equation.
Control what's in your power to control and all that.
But it clearly isn't an easier repeatable skill otherwise in the history of football there would be 100's if not 1000's of top end players with incredible penalty records. To take the goalkeeper completely out the equation there is between 10-15% of the goal to aim at. The repeatable skill the rugby players display is getting a kick on target by any means necessary including mishits, planting a penalty in unsaveable parts of the goal at sufficient pace doesn't allow for any form of mishit, insufficient speed, slight spin on the ball which has a far greater impact on a round ball etc. Asking a rugby player to regularly hit 10-15% of the area available would see their percentage drop.
Yes, but that isn't repeatable to kick to that exact point in the goals. Same way as rugby kickers don't dissect the uprights at the same point every time. If a rugby player mishits a penalty but sets it off on line there is a good chance the ball goes over. If a footballer slightly mishits a penalty it can go over, wide, be saved by the keeper.
No footballer in history has been able to hit the same point of the goals every time the same way as no kicker is the history of rugby has created an infallible routine otherwise there would never be kickers missing from 40m in.
We really have no idea how rugby players would react in that situation because there is nothing directly similar to a football penalty shoot out. A rugby shootout is kicking over the posts from 22m out which isn't comparable.
The penalty spot is always 12 yards away from the centre of the goal. If anything, it's an easier repeatable skill than rugby goalkicks because that starting position never changes. Remember what I wrote, what rugby goal kickers do is aim to remove the mental aspect of the task. I don't think footballers do this, they worry about what the goalkeeper is going to do rather than what they are going to do. That's the dynamic. Take the goalkeeper out of the equation.
Control what's in your power to control and all that.
But it clearly isn't an easier repeatable skill otherwise in the history of football there would be 100's if not 1000's of top end players with incredible penalty records. To take the goalkeeper completely out the equation there is between 10-15% of the goal to aim at. The repeatable skill the rugby players display is getting a kick on target by any means necessary including mishits, planting a penalty in unsaveable parts of the goal at sufficient pace doesn't allow for any form of mishit, insufficient speed, slight spin on the ball which has a far greater impact on a round ball etc. Asking a rugby player to regularly hit 10-15% of the area available would see their percentage drop.
You assume footballers work on a repeatable routine and strategy that holds up under pressure to take penalties. Rugby kickers do this. Football penalty takers very clearly don't.
The guff percentages you pulled out of your arse are just a strawman.
The penalty spot is always 12 yards away from the centre of the goal. If anything, it's an easier repeatable skill than rugby goalkicks because that starting position never changes. Remember what I wrote, what rugby goal kickers do is aim to remove the mental aspect of the task. I don't think footballers do this, they worry about what the goalkeeper is going to do rather than what they are going to do. That's the dynamic. Take the goalkeeper out of the equation.
Control what's in your power to control and all that.
But it clearly isn't an easier repeatable skill otherwise in the history of football there would be 100's if not 1000's of top end players with incredible penalty records. To take the goalkeeper completely out the equation there is between 10-15% of the goal to aim at. The repeatable skill the rugby players display is getting a kick on target by any means necessary including mishits, planting a penalty in unsaveable parts of the goal at sufficient pace doesn't allow for any form of mishit, insufficient speed, slight spin on the ball which has a far greater impact on a round ball etc. Asking a rugby player to regularly hit 10-15% of the area available would see their percentage drop.
You assume footballers work on a repeatable routine and strategy that holds up under pressure to take penalties. Rugby kickers do this. Football penalty takers very clearly don't.
The guff percentages you pulled out of your arse are just a strawman.
How are they a strawman when I used the area your mentioned, the "postage stamp"? Football goals are 7.32m wide and 2.44m high (approx 18m2) . You said "postage stamp" in an earlier post. No one in the world of football would say the postage stamp is bigger that 1m2 but giving double that is 2m2 across the whole goal. That would be 11% using your postage stamp definition of the area a perfect penalty would need to be hit towards. For it to be repeatable it would have to go in the same are over and over.
Footballers have a significantly smaller margin for error in a perfect penalty than kickers have in rugby who "just" need to get it on target. And kickers rarely have the last kick of a major final to take so there are very few points to compare.
Up to Sunday Rashford had converted 15 of 17 penalties or close to it. What he was doing had worked for him up to that point.
The thousands and thousands of players who have tried to perfect penalties clearly simply haven't tried hard enough. Even the greatest penalty takers varied where they put it.
Everyone seemed to be taken by surprise by the rush into the stadium, very lucky no one was hurt in that. By all accounts it was pretty well known among fans that you can tailgate your way into Wembley, not beyond the wit of man to adjust the gates/add an extra layer etc.
A really rare failure by the Police Football Units. One of the reasons behind the EPL's success is that matchdays are pretty sanitised, there's barely any major incidences across the Football League either. Have a pet theory that maybe with Covid they've lost a bit of track of the likely lads.
As mentioned earlier, I travelled through Wembley on the day. Vast array of accents and club tattoos, from Soton to Sunderland without exaggeration. With a bit of foresight and prep I'd say a few taps on the shoulder at mainline stations across the country Sunday morning could have prevented a lot of the issues.
And again - drugs. A few sniffer dogs at said mainline stations, Baker Street, Box Park and some others would have had most of these trouble makers away from trouble for the day.
Lastly, and this falls on Government both centrally and in London - it was clear social distancing would go out the window so they may as well have set up fan zones in parks across London. Hard to destroy much apart from grass there, and could have controlled the minority intent on madness.
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot, But he'll remember with advantages, What feats he did that day
Kawazaki wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:53 pm
I agree it's a mental challenge which I referenced. My question is how you remove the mental element from the challenge which is what rugby goal kickers have largely done.
Simply take the keeper out of the equation by kicking it where he can never save it. Achieve that by developing a personalised pre-kick routine that has been practiced repeatedly over and over - just like rugby goal kickers do. The point is, it doesn't matter how big or athletic the goalkeeper is, if you kick the ball with some power into the 'postage stamp' part of the goal it will always go in.
The only football player who I've seen who has a pre shot routine that echoes what rugby kickers do is Cristiano Ronaldo.
Yes, but that isn't repeatable to kick to that exact point in the goals. Same way as rugby kickers don't dissect the uprights at the same point every time. If a rugby player mishits a penalty but sets it off on line there is a good chance the ball goes over. If a footballer slightly mishits a penalty it can go over, wide, be saved by the keeper.
No footballer in history has been able to hit the same point of the goals every time the same way as no kicker is the history of rugby has created an infallible routine otherwise there would never be kickers missing from 40m in.
We really have no idea how rugby players would react in that situation because there is nothing directly similar to a football penalty shoot out. A rugby shootout is kicking over the posts from 22m out which isn't comparable.
All you need is a goalie to stand closer (or even in) to the postage stamp and they'll be able to save the shot.
So then a player needs more than one postage stamp...
Uncle fester wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:11 am
All you need is a goalie to stand closer (or even in) to the postage stamp and they'll be able to save the shot.
So then a player needs more than one postage stamp...
That would be an overwhelming win for the penalty taker before he's even kicked the ball if the goalkeeper is standing next to one of the posts.
This is pretty damning - the police and the stadium completely failed here. Seemingly loads of work done over the decades weeding out the scummy element seemingly forgotten,
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:06 am
There's questions to answer for sure.
Everyone seemed to be taken by surprise by the rush into the stadium, very lucky no one was hurt in that. By all accounts it was pretty well known among fans that you can tailgate your way into Wembley, not beyond the wit of man to adjust the gates/add an extra layer etc.
A really rare failure by the Police Football Units. One of the reasons behind the EPL's success is that matchdays are pretty sanitised, there's barely any major incidences across the Football League either. Have a pet theory that maybe with Covid they've lost a bit of track of the likely lads.
As mentioned earlier, I travelled through Wembley on the day. Vast array of accents and club tattoos, from Soton to Sunderland without exaggeration. With a bit of foresight and prep I'd say a few taps on the shoulder at mainline stations across the country Sunday morning could have prevented a lot of the issues.
And again - drugs. A few sniffer dogs at said mainline stations, Baker Street, Box Park and some others would have had most of these trouble makers away from trouble for the day.
Lastly, and this falls on Government both centrally and in London - it was clear social distancing would go out the window so they may as well have set up fan zones in parks across London. Hard to destroy much apart from grass there, and could have controlled the minority intent on madness.
Being a home tournament doesn't help. It's a lot easier to stop the usual suspects travelling abroad (just the ordinary drunken cuntery for the foreign police to deal with).
Here, with complete freedom of movement and the Government effectively washing its hands of any controls Covid lockdown might put into place with the Freedom Day bullshit being trumpeted far and wide, plus the Met's curious reluctance to go full on Continental police on the fuckwits, put it all together, get a free for all.
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:06 am
There's questions to answer for sure.
Everyone seemed to be taken by surprise by the rush into the stadium, very lucky no one was hurt in that. By all accounts it was pretty well known among fans that you can tailgate your way into Wembley, not beyond the wit of man to adjust the gates/add an extra layer etc.
A really rare failure by the Police Football Units. One of the reasons behind the EPL's success is that matchdays are pretty sanitised, there's barely any major incidences across the Football League either. Have a pet theory that maybe with Covid they've lost a bit of track of the likely lads.
As mentioned earlier, I travelled through Wembley on the day. Vast array of accents and club tattoos, from Soton to Sunderland without exaggeration. With a bit of foresight and prep I'd say a few taps on the shoulder at mainline stations across the country Sunday morning could have prevented a lot of the issues.
And again - drugs. A few sniffer dogs at said mainline stations, Baker Street, Box Park and some others would have had most of these trouble makers away from trouble for the day.
Lastly, and this falls on Government both centrally and in London - it was clear social distancing would go out the window so they may as well have set up fan zones in parks across London. Hard to destroy much apart from grass there, and could have controlled the minority intent on madness.
Being a home tournament doesn't help. It's a lot easier to stop the usual suspects travelling abroad (just the ordinary drunken cuntery for the foreign police to deal with).
Here, with complete freedom of movement and the Government effectively washing its hands of any controls Covid lockdown might put into place with the Freedom Day bullshit being trumpeted far and wide, plus the Met's curious reluctance to go full on Continental police on the fuckwits, put it all together, get a free for all.
There's elements of truth to this, but there is a reason that there have been very few major issues around England games home or away for some time, and effective policing is central to that. I think this genuinely took them by surprise, and not quite sure why.
They shouldn't have needed to go all continental police on them - just about everyone coming to Wembley arrives from three stations, and no one is walking from central. They could have essentially blocked Wembley off for the day unless you had tickets/were a local. Had they known they would have stopped most of these people travelling down to London on the day. They could have nicked the rest with a few sniffer dogs.
Fortunately, it's largely embarrassing rather than anything more serious.
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot, But he'll remember with advantages, What feats he did that day
Reading your posts PB has got me scratching my head and thinking that something smells fishy.
Did the police just magically forget 30 years of accumulated knowledge on how to combat hooliganism? Police intelligence has been at the forefront of these issues and operationally everything is delicately planned, nothing is left to chance yet strangely on Sunday it was a free for all. This breakdown is on par with the way football used to be policed pre Hillsborough, haphazard.
I wonder if there will be any sort of official enquiry?
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:06 am
There's questions to answer for sure.
Everyone seemed to be taken by surprise by the rush into the stadium, very lucky no one was hurt in that. By all accounts it was pretty well known among fans that you can tailgate your way into Wembley, not beyond the wit of man to adjust the gates/add an extra layer etc.
A really rare failure by the Police Football Units. One of the reasons behind the EPL's success is that matchdays are pretty sanitised, there's barely any major incidences across the Football League either. Have a pet theory that maybe with Covid they've lost a bit of track of the likely lads.
As mentioned earlier, I travelled through Wembley on the day. Vast array of accents and club tattoos, from Soton to Sunderland without exaggeration. With a bit of foresight and prep I'd say a few taps on the shoulder at mainline stations across the country Sunday morning could have prevented a lot of the issues.
And again - drugs. A few sniffer dogs at said mainline stations, Baker Street, Box Park and some others would have had most of these trouble makers away from trouble for the day.
Lastly, and this falls on Government both centrally and in London - it was clear social distancing would go out the window so they may as well have set up fan zones in parks across London. Hard to destroy much apart from grass there, and could have controlled the minority intent on madness.
if someone had more than their sandwiches in a backpack; it'd could have been a hell of a lot more than an embarrassment.
It was a cataclysmic bad security operation; & another indication that Cressida should be fucked off to where ever you send useless fucking coppers.
This is pretty damning - the police and the stadium completely failed here. Seemingly loads of work done over the decades weeding out the scummy element seemingly forgotten,
To be fair, English football fans have a global reputation of being friendly and peaceable. No one could really have foreseen this.
“It was a pet, not an animal. It had a name, you don't eat things with names, this is horrific!”
Hugo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:04 pm
Reading your posts PB has got me scratching my head and thinking that something smells fishy.
Did the police just magically forget 30 years of accumulated knowledge on how to combat hooliganism? Police intelligence has been at the forefront of these issues and operationally everything is delicately planned, nothing is left to chance yet strangely on Sunday it was a free for all. This breakdown is on par with the way football used to be policed pre Hillsborough, haphazard.
I wonder if there will be any sort of official enquiry?
Yeah exactly, football policing is something forces across Britain are very good at - to then fail at a showpiece event is weird. As I say part of me thinks they just lost track of the usual idiots with covid, I assume intelligence is a huge part of football policing and they clearly were caught on the hop.
Cressida Dick presides over another shambles.
Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot, But he'll remember with advantages, What feats he did that day
This is pretty damning - the police and the stadium completely failed here. Seemingly loads of work done over the decades weeding out the scummy element seemingly forgotten,
Let’s blame the Police and the Govt. rather than the pissed up mindless thugs that created this havoc as usual 99% of people have their reputations/enjoyment tarnished by the 1% it’s time to really get tough on people who makes others lives a misery and start handing out serious jail sentences.
