2024 Springbokke

[Deepsouth]

What happened to him? Was it the left hand or the right

[boere wors]

Proper test match from the boks today, only saw it now. Great stadium, great atmosphere and finally an assertive, dominant performance from the boks. Always in control.
Manie had his redemption, he was outstanding. Passing and decision making just so good. Fassie great as well, two or three mistakes due to haste, i.e. dropped balls and unnecessary kick into touch, but overall really good.
And I thought that Ruan Nortje played really well, was everywhere on the field for 80 min, massive engine.

[Sards]

Proper test match from the boks today, only saw it now. Great stadium, great atmosphere and finally an assertive, dominant performance from the boks. Always in control.
Manie had his redemption, he was outstanding. Passing and decision making just so good. Fassie great as well, two or three mistakes due to haste, i.e. dropped balls and unnecessary kick into touch, but overall really good.
And I thought that Ruan Nortje played really well, was everywhere on the field for 80 min, massive engine.

Fassi now has 7 tries in 11 matches. Fantastic return. Compared to Willemses 4 in 40. He really has taken his opportunity and it will be hard to knock out of the 15 berth.
Will definitely be in Tony Browns plans going forward

[Sards]

How good is the Fassi and Kolbe combination. Man those 2 look like they have been playing together forever.

Gas to burn the two of them

[Sards]

How good was our lineouts.
How were we so poor a week before. Last week they couldn't catch a cold.

[Sards]

Percy montgomery still holds the try scoring record of 25 tries in 102 appearances for the Springboks at number 15.
If Fassi continues his streak he should match it in 40 starts. That would be some record to break

[LoveOfTheGame]

So Sardy my boy, I have been quite impressed with Fassi. He is excellent defending under the high ball, shows heart and commitment on chasing them as well. Runs good lines and seems to click very well with Manie. His defense also seems to have improved. All round I give him a on his effort so far.

Your most valuable player is Retshegofaditswe "Ox"' Nché. I hope the Sharks can keep hold of him, he is game changer. No fatty comes even close.

[Chilli2]

Let's have a look at the new additions to the squad.

Ben-Jason Dixon: was quite disappointing. He never looked comfortable at this level.
Johan Grobbelaar: he is a great back up player to Mark and Bongi. Would have liked to see more of him
Elrigh Louw: had an excellent start to his Bok career.
Salmaan Moerat: he did nothing wrong, but nothing much right. There are many better locks than him.
Ruan Nortje : WOW! He looked so comfortable and played really well.
Jan-Hendrik Wessels: he is not the best loosehead prop, nor the best hooker, but he did well.

Aphelele Fassi: I'm not a Sards level fanboy, but he played well.
Sacha Feinberg-Mngomezulu: the future! He has the good points of both Pollard and Libbok.
Morne van den Berg was quite disappointing. He never looked comfortable at this level.

[Sandstorm]

Ben-Jason Dixon: was quite disappointing. He never looked comfortable at this level.

Can't agree with you Chili - he was pants against Argies in Santiago, however against the All Blacks the previous two weeks he was bloody good.
Everyone is allowed a bad game or two.

Nortje for example was pretty average at Ellis Park....let's not dump some good youngsters just yet.

Moerat of course you can throw out with the dirty dishwater.

[boere wors]

Ben-Jason Dixon: was quite disappointing. He never looked comfortable at this level.

Can't agree with you Chili - he was pants against Argies in Santiago, however against the All Blacks the previous two weeks he was bloody good.
Everyone is allowed a bad game or two.

Nortje for example was pretty average at Ellis Park....let's not dump some good youngsters just yet.

Moerat of course you can throw out with the dirty dishwater.

I also think Dixon will come good, needs some time.

Nortje WOW was also my sentiment, thought he was excellent throughout, especially on Saturday against Argentina. He really strived at that level.

Moerat is invisible.

[Blake]

Ben-Jason Dixon: was quite disappointing. He never looked comfortable at this level.

Can't agree with you Chili - he was pants against Argies in Santiago, however against the All Blacks the previous two weeks he was bloody good.
Everyone is allowed a bad game or two.

Nortje for example was pretty average at Ellis Park....let's not dump some good youngsters just yet.

Moerat of course you can throw out with the dirty dishwater.

BJD got yanked off the field after 20mins in the Ellis Park test and was dropped for the second match in Cape Town Sandy.

He looked very good against Portugal and in the first match vs the Wallabies, but then went off the boil a bit. Hope he gets his form back.

[Sandstorm]

BJD got yanked off the field after 20mins in the Ellis Park test and was dropped for the second match in Cape Town Sandy.

He looked very good against Portugal and in the first match vs the Wallabies, but then went off the boil a bit. Hope he gets his form back.

Dankie Blake

[Blake]

He came on as a sub for the Stormers this weekend and looked a bit meh, but at that stage it was a lost cause anyway. The Stormers are in for a long season I feel. I suspect we are going to be wooden spooners in the SA conference this year.

[Chilli2]

BJD got yanked off the field after 20mins in the Ellis Park test and was dropped for the second match in Cape Town Sandy.

He looked very good against Portugal and in the first match vs the Wallabies, but then went off the boil a bit. Hope he gets his form back.

Dankie Blake

Are you a Sards multi? Neither of you seem to watch rugby.

He was disappointing.

[Blake]

Are you a Sards multi? Neither of you seem to watch rugby.

He was disappointing.

In Sandy's defence, BJD was red-hot in his first 3 outings.
So much so that many were considering him the heir apparent to PSdT in the way he played.
Similar style of play and massive impact.

But he just got lost his composure in the Ellis Park match and didn't look all that flash vs the Argies over there either.
Probably lost a bit of confidence and hopefully the URC campaign can get him back on track.

[Sards]

Are you a Sards multi? Neither of you seem to watch rugby.

He was disappointing.

In Sandy's defence, BJD was red-hot in his first 3 outings.
So much so that many were considering him the heir apparent to PSdT in the way he played.
Similar style of play and massive impact.

But he just got lost his composure in the Ellis Park match and didn't look all that flash vs the Argies over there either.
Probably lost a bit of confidence and hopefully the URC campaign can get him back on track.

I thought BJD was the real deal. Probably gonna end up another Roos.

[Chilli2]

Are you a Sards multi? Neither of you seem to watch rugby.

He was disappointing.

In Sandy's defence, BJD was red-hot in his first 3 outings.
So much so that many were considering him the heir apparent to PSdT in the way he played.
Similar style of play and massive impact.

But he just got lost his composure in the Ellis Park match and didn't look all that flash vs the Argies over there either.
Probably lost a bit of confidence and hopefully the URC campaign can get him back on track.

Eh?
No he wasn't.

All due respect to Portugal and Australia, but Keegan Daniels would have been good against them.

When it counted he was subbed after 20 minutes.

He was pretty underwhelming.
This is not to say that he can't get better.

[Blake]

I think BJD is a little more level headed than Roos, but you are correct that he might also end up another one-season-wonder like many other Bok loosies. We’ll have to wait and see.

I think Roos will also have an uphill battle. Wiese and Louw seem to be a good pair of 8’s and have put in some solid performances. With Hannekom fit and putting well for the Bulls it’s going to be tough for Roos to get back in the mix. He’s going to have to play out of his skin for the Stormers when he gets back after his surgery.

[Sards]

Its like any team.....once in its hard to get a look in as an outsider. Especially if the incumbent is on fire......
BJD will have to wait a while for a look in again. Especially with the current lads doing well.
Pity. I liked the look of him in a few matches.

This team is pretty much cast in stone now....Pollard will always be on the bench until Sascha is ready. ( I still dont get how anyone would want Sascha any where else but at 10...) Thats a given...so one backline player less. To cover for Manie.
Who is still not good enough for me. When you have to have someone else carry the load of one of your duties you dont deserve to be there

[Sandstorm]

To cover for Manie.
Who is still not good enough for me. When you have to have someone else carry the load of one of your duties you dont deserve to be there

Well for years the French used a goal-kicking #9 to cover for Freddie Michalak because he was so good at running the backline and putting players into space......the Bok flyhalf doesn't HAVE to be the goal kicker.

[Sards]

So Sardy my boy, I have been quite impressed with Fassi. He is excellent defending under the high ball, shows heart and commitment on chasing them as well. Runs good lines and seems to click very well with Manie. His defense also seems to have improved. All round I give him a on his effort so far.

Your most valuable player is Retshegofaditswe "Ox"' Nché. I hope the Sharks can keep hold of him, he is game changer. No fatty comes even close.

There's definitely a better return running straight and hard lines rather than jinking left and right across a field., and the tries column confirms that...Yes he does link well with Libbok and he said as much.
Going to be hard to keep Ox at the Sharks...he is a valuable player at the top of his game

[Sards]

To cover for Manie.
Who is still not good enough for me. When you have to have someone else carry the load of one of your duties you dont deserve to be there

Well for years the French used a goal-kicking #9 to cover for Freddie Michalak because he was so good at running the backline and putting players into space......the Bok flyhalf doesn't HAVE to be the goal kicker.

Salute to the French...Manie is just holding the door open till Sascha returns...Lets be honest...Libbok shou;d go play in France

[Sandstorm]

To cover for Manie.
Who is still not good enough for me. When you have to have someone else carry the load of one of your duties you dont deserve to be there

Well for years the French used a goal-kicking #9 to cover for Freddie Michalak because he was so good at running the backline and putting players into space......the Bok flyhalf doesn't HAVE to be the goal kicker.

Salute to the French...Manie is just holding the door open till Sascha returns...Lets be honest...Libbok shou;d go play in France

Well I suspect they'll both continue playing for Stormers in URC for a while yet.

[average joe]

There is a rumour making the rounds that Rassie planned on losing the first Arg game because he wanted to lift the cup at home. Thats why he sent a "b-team" with a week captain, and let Manie take the kicks knowing he'll miss some.
What do you make of that?

[Sandstorm]

There is a rumour making the rounds that Rassie planned on losing the first Arg game because he wanted to lift the cup at home. Thats why he sent a "b-team" with a week captain, and let Manie take the kicks knowing he'll miss some.
What do you make of that?

Jy praat kak

[average joe]

No, I was forced to go watch the game at a local pub, and that was what was doing the rounds before kick-off.

[average joe]

Perhaps "rumour" created the wrong impression "my dumb boetjie" mentality again.
Heard some supporters mentioning it and was just thinking what some on here's thoughts were on it.

[Sandstorm]

Perhaps "rumour" created the wrong impression "my dumb boetjie" mentality again.
Heard some supporters mentioning it and was just thinking what some on here's thoughts were on it.

I reckon it's nonsense. Rassie doesn't go for "losses to make the final win and holding the trophy at home" an option he'd even entertain. It's win every week or nothing.

[LoveOfTheGame]

Perhaps "rumour" created the wrong impression "my dumb boetjie" mentality again.
Heard some supporters mentioning it and was just thinking what some on here's thoughts were on it.

Don't worry, Sards is not 'n boertjie and even he believes verbatim what the people on FB say.

[Sards]

Perhaps "rumour" created the wrong impression "my dumb boetjie" mentality again.
Heard some supporters mentioning it and was just thinking what some on here's thoughts were on it.

Don't worry, Sards is not 'n boertjie and even he believes verbatim what the people on FB say.

I am not a Libbok fan at all.....contrary to what is very popular on fb. talk about a wankothon.

[LoveOfTheGame]

Perhaps "rumour" created the wrong impression "my dumb boetjie" mentality again.
Heard some supporters mentioning it and was just thinking what some on here's thoughts were on it.

Don't worry, Sards is not 'n boertjie and even he believes verbatim what the people on FB say.

I am not a Libbok fan at all.....contrary to what is very popular on fb. talk about a wankothon.

Yes we all know you are more of Willemse guy, but you have to admit Manie played very well in his redemption match.

[OomStruisbaai]

Perhaps "rumour" created the wrong impression "my dumb boetjie" mentality again.
Heard some supporters mentioning it and was just thinking what some on here's thoughts were on it.

I reckon it's nonsense. Rassie doesn't go for "losses to make the final win and holding the trophy at home" an option he'd even entertain. It's win every week or nothing.

If he planned to lose the first one then he would left Kolisi at home.

[Sards]

Don't worry, Sards is not 'n boertjie and even he believes verbatim what the people on FB say.

I am not a Libbok fan at all.....contrary to what is very popular on fb. talk about a wankothon.

Yes we all know you are more of Willemse guy, but you have to admit Manie played very well in his redemption match.

Maybe I look at it as an employer. Vokked if I will pay 2 salaries to do one job. But yes. Manie, Fassi and Kolbe are a deadly combination

[average joe]

I see some small fish broke my line and stole my bait.

[Blake]

To cover for Manie.
Who is still not good enough for me. When you have to have someone else carry the load of one of your duties you dont deserve to be there

Well for years the French used a goal-kicking #9 to cover for Freddie Michalak because he was so good at running the backline and putting players into space......the Bok flyhalf doesn't HAVE to be the goal kicker.

Closer to home we had Rugby World Cup winner Butch James in 2007.
Pretty bold of Sards to insinuate that he also didn't deserve to be there.

[Sards]

To cover for Manie.
Who is still not good enough for me. When you have to have someone else carry the load of one of your duties you dont deserve to be there

Well for years the French used a goal-kicking #9 to cover for Freddie Michalak because he was so good at running the backline and putting players into space......the Bok flyhalf doesn't HAVE to be the goal kicker.

Closer to home we had Rugby World Cup winner Butch James in 2007.
Pretty bold of Sards to insinuate that he also didn't deserve to be there.

Yeah it's everywhere currently. Manie is a hot topic. Basically it's the WP supporters and the Cape Crusaders in the Manie court and the rest of South Africa in the other court. We have heard it all over and over again. Ad nauseum. The general consensus.
If you rate him. Keep him

[LoveOfTheGame]

Well for years the French used a goal-kicking #9 to cover for Freddie Michalak because he was so good at running the backline and putting players into space......the Bok flyhalf doesn't HAVE to be the goal kicker.

Closer to home we had Rugby World Cup winner Butch James in 2007.
Pretty bold of Sards to insinuate that he also didn't deserve to be there.

Yeah it's everywhere currently. Manie is a hot topic. Basically it's the WP supporters and the Cape Crusaders in the Manie court and the rest of South Africa in the other court. We have heard it all over and over again. Ad nauseum. The general consensus.
If you rate him. Keep him

Sharkies...always throwing shade.

[OomStruisbaai]

Closer to home we had Rugby World Cup winner Butch James in 2007.
Pretty bold of Sards to insinuate that he also didn't deserve to be there.

Yeah it's everywhere currently. Manie is a hot topic. Basically it's the WP supporters and the Cape Crusaders in the Manie court and the rest of South Africa in the other court. We have heard it all over and over again. Ad nauseum. The general consensus.
If you rate him. Keep him

Sharkies...always throwing shade.

Its Sards, he just want to blast WP and Stormers, totally forget that both his fancied flyhalfs learned their trade at Maties. We can play 3 Springboks in 10 plus we provide all the other SA URC franchises with flyhalfs.

[LoveOfTheGame]

Yeah it's everywhere currently. Manie is a hot topic. Basically it's the WP supporters and the Cape Crusaders in the Manie court and the rest of South Africa in the other court. We have heard it all over and over again. Ad nauseum. The general consensus.
If you rate him. Keep him

Sharkies...always throwing shade.

Its Sards, he just want to blast WP and Stormers, totally forget that both his fancied flyhalfs learned their trade at Maties. We can play 3 Springboks in 10 plus we provide all the other SA URC franchises with flyhalfs.

It's an open secret Sards really is a closet Stormers supporter.

[bok_viking]

Don't worry, Sards is not 'n boertjie and even he believes verbatim what the people on FB say.

I am not a Libbok fan at all.....contrary to what is very popular on fb. talk about a wankothon.

Yes we all know you are more of Willemse guy, but you have to admit Manie played very well in his redemption match.

The problem with Manie is his consistency, one game he has a 10/10 performance, the next he has a 1/10 performance. For me, if you play for the national team, your very bad days should still be at least 5-6/10 and those bad days should not come around as often as Libbok's. And at this time |I just would not be able to fully trust that he would give a top performance when there is a lot of pressure on him. Sacha at this point would be my starting 10 when fit. we have Fassie and Willemse at 15 so definitely don't want to see Sacha being in a rotating setup with those 2, will be a great waste of talent or at 12. Pollard will still be my option on the bench, he might not be the flashiest, but he is someone that you can rely on more often than not to steady the ship when things go wrong and he can cover centre. So I think the rise of Sacha will reduce the amount of games that Libbok plays unless there are injuries to Sacha/Pollard.