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Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:29 pm
That would be consistent with what happened in Israel
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:40 am
There’s another little bit of good news - numbers of positive cases globally have declined over the last month. That hasn’t happened at any point since this began; the number of positive tests has never dropped globally.
But it has recently, from a 7 day average of about 750,000 in early January to about 420,000 now.
But it has recently, from a 7 day average of about 750,000 in early January to about 420,000 now.
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:29 am
That's a good sign. The danger is that progress will go into reverse when the Kent variant becomes more dominant over the globe - it seems to have got a foothold in lots of countries. Hopefully that will be counteracted by the vaccine roll outs.Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:40 am There’s another little bit of good news - numbers of positive cases globally have declined over the last month. That hasn’t happened at any point since this began; the number of positive tests has never dropped globally.
But it has recently, from a 7 day average of about 750,000 in early January to about 420,000 now.
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:42 am
The vaccine roll outs aren't happening particularly quickly outside of a select few countries though.Ovals wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:29 amThat's a good sign. The danger is that progress will go into reverse when the Kent variant becomes more dominant over the globe - it seems to have got a foothold in lots of countries. Hopefully that will be counteracted by the vaccine roll outs.Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:40 am There’s another little bit of good news - numbers of positive cases globally have declined over the last month. That hasn’t happened at any point since this began; the number of positive tests has never dropped globally.
But it has recently, from a 7 day average of about 750,000 in early January to about 420,000 now.
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:53 am
Yep, Ireland will apparently be in lockdown till May and not the merest mention of vaccines in all this.robmatic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:42 amThe vaccine roll outs aren't happening particularly quickly outside of a select few countries though.Ovals wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:29 amThat's a good sign. The danger is that progress will go into reverse when the Kent variant becomes more dominant over the globe - it seems to have got a foothold in lots of countries. Hopefully that will be counteracted by the vaccine roll outs.Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:40 am There’s another little bit of good news - numbers of positive cases globally have declined over the last month. That hasn’t happened at any point since this began; the number of positive tests has never dropped globally.
But it has recently, from a 7 day average of about 750,000 in early January to about 420,000 now.
It's absolutely infuriating. At this stage, people will just give up.
My own company have said fúck this" and are trying to source doses from elsewhere. The stress levels are fúcking insane and the best the HSE can do for us is middle of summer for first dose only.
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:57 am
Be interesting how the EU will dole out jabs to the various member states. Smaller guys might lose out to the big boys?Uncle fester wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:53 am My own company have said fúck this" and are trying to source doses from elsewhere. The stress levels are fúcking insane and the best the HSE can do for us is middle of summer for first dose only.
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:01 am
The whole point EU procuring the vaccines was so that didn’t happen.Sandstorm wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:57 amBe interesting how the EU will dole out jabs to the various member states. Smaller guys might lose out to the big boys?Uncle fester wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:53 am My own company have said fúck this" and are trying to source doses from elsewhere. The stress levels are fúcking insane and the best the HSE can do for us is middle of summer for first dose only.
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:01 am
As I said before.....Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:01 amThe whole point EU procuring the vaccines was so that didn’t happen.Sandstorm wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:57 amBe interesting how the EU will dole out jabs to the various member states. Smaller guys might lose out to the big boys?Uncle fester wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:53 am My own company have said fúck this" and are trying to source doses from elsewhere. The stress levels are fúcking insane and the best the HSE can do for us is middle of summer for first dose only.
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:03 am
I can see the UK, Israel, and UAE building a lot of soft power in mid level countries by providing assistance with vaccine rollouts.robmatic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:42 amThe vaccine roll outs aren't happening particularly quickly outside of a select few countries though.Ovals wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:29 amThat's a good sign. The danger is that progress will go into reverse when the Kent variant becomes more dominant over the globe - it seems to have got a foothold in lots of countries. Hopefully that will be counteracted by the vaccine roll outs.Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:40 am There’s another little bit of good news - numbers of positive cases globally have declined over the last month. That hasn’t happened at any point since this began; the number of positive tests has never dropped globally.
But it has recently, from a 7 day average of about 750,000 in early January to about 420,000 now.
Chile seem to be cracking on actually, hadn’t noticed that.
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:13 am
Our health service has been hiding behind that excuse but it falls apart when you realise that they've done flip all preparation for when they actually receive doses.Sandstorm wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:57 amBe interesting how the EU will dole out jabs to the various member states. Smaller guys might lose out to the big boys?Uncle fester wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:53 am My own company have said fúck this" and are trying to source doses from elsewhere. The stress levels are fúcking insane and the best the HSE can do for us is middle of summer for first dose only.
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:27 am
Something I think we’ll see all over the world is a demonstration of which countries have good government infrastructures and general governance.
Fortunately Cummings didn’t manage to utterly gut the UK civil service before this, and although it’s been under huge pressure for years and has its faults (some pretty significant) it’s noticeable that the major fuckups, outside of policy decisions and lack of coherent leadership, are when the government has gone round the normal governance procedures (PPE provision, test and trace) and the successes have used established methods (nhs for vaccine delivery, hands off R&D grants for vaccine and treatment development).
We’ll see across developed countries in Europe, developing countries in sub Saharan Africa, mid level countries in South Asia, and everywhere else, which countries have the most significant governance issues, which are normally hand waved away.
Fortunately Cummings didn’t manage to utterly gut the UK civil service before this, and although it’s been under huge pressure for years and has its faults (some pretty significant) it’s noticeable that the major fuckups, outside of policy decisions and lack of coherent leadership, are when the government has gone round the normal governance procedures (PPE provision, test and trace) and the successes have used established methods (nhs for vaccine delivery, hands off R&D grants for vaccine and treatment development).
We’ll see across developed countries in Europe, developing countries in sub Saharan Africa, mid level countries in South Asia, and everywhere else, which countries have the most significant governance issues, which are normally hand waved away.
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:43 am
Yes we should send some of our guys across to learn best practice from Boris and the Tories. Seems they have quite an efficient and transparent system for the procurement and supply of PPE for instance.Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:27 am Something I think we’ll see all over the world is a demonstration of which countries have good government infrastructures and general governance.
Fortunately Cummings didn’t manage to utterly gut the UK civil service before this, and although it’s been under huge pressure for years and has its faults (some pretty significant) it’s noticeable that the major fuckups, outside of policy decisions and lack of coherent leadership, are when the government has gone round the normal governance procedures (PPE provision, test and trace) and the successes have used established methods (nhs for vaccine delivery, hands off R&D grants for vaccine and treatment development).
We’ll see across developed countries in Europe, developing countries in sub Saharan Africa, mid level countries in South Asia, and everywhere else, which countries have the most significant governance issues, which are normally hand waved away.
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:52 am
They're corrupt as hell, so they'd have something to talk about during tea breaks, but when there aren't opporuntities to be corrupt about it, since you're dealing directly with the vaccine suppliers themselves, they're capable of doing a good job.FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:43 amYes we should send some of our guys across to learn best practice from Boris and the Tories. Seems they have quite an efficient and transparent system for the procurement and supply of PPE for instance.Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:27 am Something I think we’ll see all over the world is a demonstration of which countries have good government infrastructures and general governance.
Fortunately Cummings didn’t manage to utterly gut the UK civil service before this, and although it’s been under huge pressure for years and has its faults (some pretty significant) it’s noticeable that the major fuckups, outside of policy decisions and lack of coherent leadership, are when the government has gone round the normal governance procedures (PPE provision, test and trace) and the successes have used established methods (nhs for vaccine delivery, hands off R&D grants for vaccine and treatment development).
We’ll see across developed countries in Europe, developing countries in sub Saharan Africa, mid level countries in South Asia, and everywhere else, which countries have the most significant governance issues, which are normally hand waved away.
It's rather depressing to know that they could be a good government.
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:02 pm
That narrative rather ignores the fact that the reason we have any vaccines at all is the government bought in an outsider with authority over the CS and let them get on with the job spending whatever they wanted using their own people. At the time it was widely criticised as cronyism because Kate Bingham is married to a Tory MP.Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:27 am Something I think we’ll see all over the world is a demonstration of which countries have good government infrastructures and general governance.
Fortunately Cummings didn’t manage to utterly gut the UK civil service before this, and although it’s been under huge pressure for years and has its faults (some pretty significant) it’s noticeable that the major fuckups, outside of policy decisions and lack of coherent leadership, are when the government has gone round the normal governance procedures (PPE provision, test and trace) and the successes have used established methods (nhs for vaccine delivery, hands off R&D grants for vaccine and treatment development).
We’ll see across developed countries in Europe, developing countries in sub Saharan Africa, mid level countries in South Asia, and everywhere else, which countries have the most significant governance issues, which are normally hand waved away.
I bet all the money in my pockets without this we would be getting a trickle of vaccines from EU and US based suppliers and everyone would be going nuts.
Cumming 'wreck everything and then build from scratch' agenda was wrong but so is the assumption that the CS and all public institutions are beyond reproach or reform.
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:23 pm
Indeed, Sir Patrick Vallance picked outside experts for the Vaccine Task Force because he was worried about CS competence in this areatc27 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:02 pmThat narrative rather ignores the fact that the reason we have any vaccines at all is the government bought in an outsider with authority over the CS and let them get on with the job spending whatever they wanted using their own people. At the time it was widely criticised as cronyism because Kate Bingham is married to a Tory MP.Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:27 am Something I think we’ll see all over the world is a demonstration of which countries have good government infrastructures and general governance.
Fortunately Cummings didn’t manage to utterly gut the UK civil service before this, and although it’s been under huge pressure for years and has its faults (some pretty significant) it’s noticeable that the major fuckups, outside of policy decisions and lack of coherent leadership, are when the government has gone round the normal governance procedures (PPE provision, test and trace) and the successes have used established methods (nhs for vaccine delivery, hands off R&D grants for vaccine and treatment development).
We’ll see across developed countries in Europe, developing countries in sub Saharan Africa, mid level countries in South Asia, and everywhere else, which countries have the most significant governance issues, which are normally hand waved away.
I bet all the money in my pockets without this we would be getting a trickle of vaccines from EU and US based suppliers and everyone would be going nuts.
Cumming 'wreck everything and then build from scratch' agenda was wrong but so is the assumption that the CS and all public institutions are beyond reproach or reform.
He worried about how little anyone in government knew about vaccines: without importing expertise he feared they were doomed to fail. ‘The briefing notes the civil servants were sending in had basic errors in them,’ says one minister. ‘It was shocking.’ Ian McCubbin, a GlaxoSmithKline veteran, was the first to be hired.
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:41 pm
63,000 vaccinated in Scotland yesterday, despite the snow.
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:44 pm
That’s the exact opposite of what I said.FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:43 amYes we should send some of our guys across to learn best practice from Boris and the Tories. Seems they have quite an efficient and transparent system for the procurement and supply of PPE for instance.Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:27 am Something I think we’ll see all over the world is a demonstration of which countries have good government infrastructures and general governance.
Fortunately Cummings didn’t manage to utterly gut the UK civil service before this, and although it’s been under huge pressure for years and has its faults (some pretty significant) it’s noticeable that the major fuckups, outside of policy decisions and lack of coherent leadership, are when the government has gone round the normal governance procedures (PPE provision, test and trace) and the successes have used established methods (nhs for vaccine delivery, hands off R&D grants for vaccine and treatment development).
We’ll see across developed countries in Europe, developing countries in sub Saharan Africa, mid level countries in South Asia, and everywhere else, which countries have the most significant governance issues, which are normally hand waved away.
Learn to read.
Oh I forgot, your only reason to be on here is to have agenda driven rants.
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:47 pm
But that’s how research funding is generally done. Government sets the broad area, and scientists are brought in to direct which research is funded. It’s called the Haldane principle and has been broadly observed by UK governments of all colours for more than 90 years. For pharma in particular, the UK is very used to taking translation research experts, giving them the money and just saying carry on, do your thing.tc27 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:02 pmThat narrative rather ignores the fact that the reason we have any vaccines at all is the government bought in an outsider with authority over the CS and let them get on with the job spending whatever they wanted using their own people. At the time it was widely criticised as cronyism because Kate Bingham is married to a Tory MP.Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:27 am Something I think we’ll see all over the world is a demonstration of which countries have good government infrastructures and general governance.
Fortunately Cummings didn’t manage to utterly gut the UK civil service before this, and although it’s been under huge pressure for years and has its faults (some pretty significant) it’s noticeable that the major fuckups, outside of policy decisions and lack of coherent leadership, are when the government has gone round the normal governance procedures (PPE provision, test and trace) and the successes have used established methods (nhs for vaccine delivery, hands off R&D grants for vaccine and treatment development).
We’ll see across developed countries in Europe, developing countries in sub Saharan Africa, mid level countries in South Asia, and everywhere else, which countries have the most significant governance issues, which are normally hand waved away.
I bet all the money in my pockets without this we would be getting a trickle of vaccines from EU and US based suppliers and everyone would be going nuts.
Cumming 'wreck everything and then build from scratch' agenda was wrong but so is the assumption that the CS and all public institutions are beyond reproach or reform.
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:09 pm
Thats interesting but not really what happened in this case.Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:47 pmBut that’s how research funding is generally done. Government sets the broad area, and scientists are brought in to direct which research is funded. It’s called the Haldane principle and has been broadly observed by UK governments of all colours for more than 90 years. For pharma in particular, the UK is very used to taking translation research experts, giving them the money and just saying carry on, do your thing.tc27 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:02 pmThat narrative rather ignores the fact that the reason we have any vaccines at all is the government bought in an outsider with authority over the CS and let them get on with the job spending whatever they wanted using their own people. At the time it was widely criticised as cronyism because Kate Bingham is married to a Tory MP.Biffer wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:27 am Something I think we’ll see all over the world is a demonstration of which countries have good government infrastructures and general governance.
Fortunately Cummings didn’t manage to utterly gut the UK civil service before this, and although it’s been under huge pressure for years and has its faults (some pretty significant) it’s noticeable that the major fuckups, outside of policy decisions and lack of coherent leadership, are when the government has gone round the normal governance procedures (PPE provision, test and trace) and the successes have used established methods (nhs for vaccine delivery, hands off R&D grants for vaccine and treatment development).
We’ll see across developed countries in Europe, developing countries in sub Saharan Africa, mid level countries in South Asia, and everywhere else, which countries have the most significant governance issues, which are normally hand waved away.
I bet all the money in my pockets without this we would be getting a trickle of vaccines from EU and US based suppliers and everyone would be going nuts.
Cumming 'wreck everything and then build from scratch' agenda was wrong but so is the assumption that the CS and all public institutions are beyond reproach or reform.
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:05 pm
415k doses yesterday
7 day average rising again, currently at 437k per day
7 day average rising again, currently at 437k per day
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:12 pm
Shock, horror, the Government's quarantine booking system has gone down within just a few hours of it going live.
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Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:39 pm
Over 500k doses given yesterday...1.46 of the population in Scotland in one day (a UK record). First target (15 million jabs and as much of JCVI cat 1-4 as possible dosed at least once) should be hit by end of play tomorrow but will have to wait until Sunday to confirm.
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Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:44 pm
Went down yesterday when it was launchedHal Jordan wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:12 pm Shock, horror, the Government's quarantine booking system has gone down within just a few hours of it going live.
First quarantine arrivals due in on Monday
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Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:52 pm
Got my letter this morning and pleasantly surprised to be able to book one for tomorrow morning about 10 minutes from where I live
Tried to book online but was told I wasn't eligble yet as I'm in the next cohort down
Phoned 119 and after some tedious keypad work got through to to someone immediately and less than 10 minutes later was booked in for 2 vaccinations
Pretty impressive. The girl I got through to had a fabulous sounding French accent, shame the call was so short
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Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:55 pm
Worst death rate of nations of populations over 20 million (and giving stiff competition with nations below it ).
Worst economic impact from Covid and the worst economic decline for 100 years..(so having put wealth over health, they shit the bed spectacularly both).
No wonder all they want to talk about Black Lives Matter and taking a knee.
Worst economic impact from Covid and the worst economic decline for 100 years..(so having put wealth over health, they shit the bed spectacularly both).
No wonder all they want to talk about Black Lives Matter and taking a knee.
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Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:01 pm
Nice - over 65s should be able to book appointments for next week.SaintK wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:52 pmGot my letter this morning and pleasantly surprised to be able to book one for tomorrow morning about 10 minutes from where I live
Tried to book online but was told I wasn't eligble yet as I'm in the next cohort down
Phoned 119 and after some tedious keypad work got through to to someone immediately and less than 10 minutes later was booked in for 2 vaccinations
Pretty impressive. The girl I got through to had a fabulous sounding French accent, shame the call was so short
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Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:54 pm
Mrs Ovals is anxiously checking her messages all day waiting for the nod. Be a great relief when she's had hers and we're both protected. We can then look forward to not isolating at some point.tc27 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:01 pmNice - over 65s should be able to book appointments for next week.SaintK wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:52 pmGot my letter this morning and pleasantly surprised to be able to book one for tomorrow morning about 10 minutes from where I live
Tried to book online but was told I wasn't eligble yet as I'm in the next cohort down
Phoned 119 and after some tedious keypad work got through to to someone immediately and less than 10 minutes later was booked in for 2 vaccinations
Pretty impressive. The girl I got through to had a fabulous sounding French accent, shame the call was so short
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Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 7:10 pm
Wife and I got Pfizer jab this afternoon. In cohort 6 but got a call saying there was vaccine left if we could get there within the hour.
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Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 7:33 pm
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Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 7:35 pm
My mum and step dad were done this week too. Early 60s but a similar sort of thing. They got an end of day call to go in.
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Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 8:21 pm
Our town has vaccinated all the over 70s and a bunch of healthcare workers in the last 5 weeks. Stocks of jab have run out and so they’ve announced a 4 day break while they wait for more to be delivered.
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Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 8:46 pm
Supply is a real issue now. I reckon we could be going at 4 million a week right now if we had enough supply
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:23 am
Sounds good. Here’s hoping that’s what we’ll start seeing over the next few weeks.
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:51 am
I would say worst death rate of a developed country. As well as worst economic decline amongst deceloped countries. We don't do post mortem covid tests and have no real clue what our mortality rate is.Line6 HXFX wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:55 pm Worst death rate of nations of populations over 20 million (and giving stiff competition with nations below it ).
Worst economic impact from Covid and the worst economic decline for 100 years..(so having put wealth over health, they shit the bed spectacularly both).
No wonder all they want to talk about Black Lives Matter and taking a knee.
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:27 pm
Well impressed with the speed of throughput and organisationtc27 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:01 pmNice - over 65s should be able to book appointments for next week.SaintK wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:52 pmGot my letter this morning and pleasantly surprised to be able to book one for tomorrow morning about 10 minutes from where I live
Tried to book online but was told I wasn't eligble yet as I'm in the next cohort down
Phoned 119 and after some tedious keypad work got through to to someone immediately and less than 10 minutes later was booked in for 2 vaccinations
Pretty impressive. The girl I got through to had a fabulous sounding French accent, shame the call was so short
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 1:39 pm
The only reason you care about the economy is so we can carry on providing for you. You are like the dementors in Harry Potter.Line6 HXFX wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:55 pm Worst death rate of nations of populations over 20 million (and giving stiff competition with nations below it ).
Worst economic impact from Covid and the worst economic decline for 100 years..(so having put wealth over health, they shit the bed spectacularly both).
No wonder all they want to talk about Black Lives Matter and taking a knee.
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 1:41 pm
Are you not retired? Not paying NI etc, but still leeching on the NHS? Claiming a state pension yet?Openside wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 1:39 pmThe only reason you care about the economy is so we can carry on providing for you. You are like the dementors in Harry Potter.Line6 HXFX wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:55 pm Worst death rate of nations of populations over 20 million (and giving stiff competition with nations below it ).
Worst economic impact from Covid and the worst economic decline for 100 years..(so having put wealth over health, they shit the bed spectacularly both).
No wonder all they want to talk about Black Lives Matter and taking a knee.