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Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:04 pm Steve Barclay to Health. Zahawi to no ten, likely new chancellor. He's appointing new ministers, he'll try to ride this out.

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:36 pm I'm actually going to a thing in the Houses of Parliament tomorrow morning. Wonder if any MPs will turn up now.

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:04 pm Steve Barclay to Health. Zahawi to no ten, likely new chancellor. He's appointing new ministers, he'll try to ride this out.

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:15 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:04 pm Steve Barclay to Health. Zahawi to no ten, likely new chancellor. He's appointing new ministers, he'll try to ride this out.

Jesus

He doesn’t give a shit, phenomenal

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:28 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:15 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:04 pm Steve Barclay to Health. Zahawi to no ten, likely new chancellor. He's appointing new ministers, he'll try to ride this out.

Jesus

He doesn’t give a shit, phenomenal

Told you.

He'll have to be physically removed from Downing St

C T wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:13 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:04 pm Steve Barclay to Health. Zahawi to no ten, likely new chancellor. He's appointing new ministers, he'll try to ride this out.

Seems about right, not entirely surprising. Perhaps going to go down as one of the most selfish PM's in history, without a single care given about the damage he's causing so long as he stays in power.

Personally I think he's lost that majority of the party now and if another no confidence vote is held I think he will lose, and I think he will lose quite heavily. Those publicly supporting are just crapping on themselves at the moment.

Beginning of the end I think, but not for a while until the 1922 committee figure out how to hold another vote.

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:04 pm Steve Barclay to Health. Zahawi to no ten, likely new chancellor. He's appointing new ministers, he'll try to ride this out.

Camroc2 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:47 pm Starmer saying that he'll support a snap GE - will BloJo take the bait?

Camroc2 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:47 pm Starmer saying that he'll support a snap GE - will BloJo take the bait?

GogLais wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:43 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:04 pm Steve Barclay to Health. Zahawi to no ten, likely new chancellor. He's appointing new ministers, he'll try to ride this out.

Steve Barclay? Are there two with similar names? I thought he had turned against Johnson.

_Os_ wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:03 pm Zahawi is dodgy, not that hard to find interesting stuff about him, three articles, three different stories. There was a time in the UK when any of these would've been a massive scandal, now it's just common place. It's totally believable that he "phoned a friend" and silenced some YouGov polling, because that's the exact MO in all these stories.

https://bylinetimes.com/2021/01/04/vacc ... l-company/
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-m ... contracts/
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... chdog-says

I like neeps wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:35 pm

C T wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:13 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:04 pm Steve Barclay to Health. Zahawi to no ten, likely new chancellor. He's appointing new ministers, he'll try to ride this out.

Seems about right, not entirely surprising. Perhaps going to go down as one of the most selfish PM's in history, without a single care given about the damage he's causing so long as he stays in power.

Personally I think he's lost that majority of the party now and if another no confidence vote is held I think he will lose, and I think he will lose quite heavily. Those publicly supporting are just crapping on themselves at the moment.

Beginning of the end I think, but not for a while until the 1922 committee figure out how to hold another vote.

Beginning of the end again is it?

Johnson will tear down anyone and anything to keep power. Joke of a country.

GogLais wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:56 pm

Camroc2 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:47 pm Starmer saying that he'll support a snap GE - will BloJo take the bait?

I don’t know how it works - if BoJo asks for a GE, could HMTQ tell him to sod off as he’s got a majority, on paper anyway?

sturginho wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:00 pm

GogLais wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:56 pm

Camroc2 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:47 pm Starmer saying that he'll support a snap GE - will BloJo take the bait?

I don’t know how it works - if BoJo asks for a GE, could HMTQ tell him to sod off as he’s got a majority, on paper anyway?

No she can't

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:01 pm

sturginho wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:00 pm

GogLais wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:56 pm

I don’t know how it works - if BoJo asks for a GE, could HMTQ tell him to sod off as he’s got a majority, on paper anyway?

No she can't

That's a matter for some debate.

The Lascelles principles might mean she could

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:01 pm

sturginho wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:00 pm

GogLais wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:56 pm

I don’t know how it works - if BoJo asks for a GE, could HMTQ tell him to sod off as he’s got a majority, on paper anyway?

No she can't

That's a matter for some debate.

The Lascelles principles might mean she could

I like neeps wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 7:51 am All this ongoing and the pound sliding further.

Surely nobody can believe the conservatives are best for the economy anymore.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:03 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:01 pm

sturginho wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:00 pm

No she can't

That's a matter for some debate.

The Lascelles principles might mean she could

Yes she has some scope for judgement here. With that said if an election is demanded by the PM and LOTO it would seem strange to say no

I like neeps wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:13 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:03 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:01 pm

That's a matter for some debate.

The Lascelles principles might mean she could

Yes she has some scope for judgement here. With that said if an election is demanded by the PM and LOTO it would seem strange to say no

The queen absolutely could not ever do it anyway no matter any principle. The monarchy absolutely cannot get involved in politics, that's the deal.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:23 am

I like neeps wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:13 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:03 am
Yes she has some scope for judgement here. With that said if an election is demanded by the PM and LOTO it would seem strange to say no

The queen absolutely could not ever do it anyway no matter any principle. The monarchy absolutely cannot get involved in politics, that's the deal.

Yeah I get that, but there are circumstances where non-involvement is also involvement. I.e. if Labour opposed a snap election, could the Queen be certain that the wish for an early election right now commands the confidence of the House?

I like neeps wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:13 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:03 am

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:01 pm

That's a matter for some debate.

The Lascelles principles might mean she could

Yes she has some scope for judgement here. With that said if an election is demanded by the PM and LOTO it would seem strange to say no

The queen absolutely could not ever do it anyway no matter any principle. The monarchy absolutely cannot get involved in politics, that's the deal.

Last year, the Queen’s lawyers secretly lobbied Scottish ministers to change a draft law to exempt her private land from a major initiative to cut carbon emissions. The exemption meant the Queen was the only private landowner in Scotland who was not required to facilitate the construction of pipelines to heat buildings using renewable energy.

In July 2021, the Guardian published evidence showing the Queen had vetted at least 67 Scottish acts, including legislation dealing with planning laws, property taxation, and protections from tenants, after the Scottish Liberal Democrats uncovered correspondence detailing the use of crown consent in Scotland.

Dogbert wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:36 am

I like neeps wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:13 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:03 am
Yes she has some scope for judgement here. With that said if an election is demanded by the PM and LOTO it would seem strange to say no

The queen absolutely could not ever do it anyway no matter any principle. The monarchy absolutely cannot get involved in politics, that's the deal.

The Crown /Monarchy absolutely get involved in politics - they just try to keep it quiet

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... nment-memo

Last year, the Queen’s lawyers secretly lobbied Scottish ministers to change a draft law to exempt her private land from a major initiative to cut carbon emissions. The exemption meant the Queen was the only private landowner in Scotland who was not required to facilitate the construction of pipelines to heat buildings using renewable energy.

In July 2021, the Guardian published evidence showing the Queen had vetted at least 67 Scottish acts, including legislation dealing with planning laws, property taxation, and protections from tenants, after the Scottish Liberal Democrats uncovered correspondence detailing the use of crown consent in Scotland.

I like neeps wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:13 amThe monarchy absolutely cannot get involved in politics, that's the deal.

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 7:30 am

ASMO wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 9:05 am What would absolutely force the issue is if all those who voted against him in the ballot, quit the party and crossed the floor as independents. His majority would be down the drain and he would have no choice. Will they have the balls to do it? doubtful, most of them are invertebrates

I like neeps wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:38 am

Dogbert wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:36 am

I like neeps wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:13 am

The queen absolutely could not ever do it anyway no matter any principle. The monarchy absolutely cannot get involved in politics, that's the deal.

The Crown /Monarchy absolutely get involved in politics - they just try to keep it quiet

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... nment-memo

Last year, the Queen’s lawyers secretly lobbied Scottish ministers to change a draft law to exempt her private land from a major initiative to cut carbon emissions. The exemption meant the Queen was the only private landowner in Scotland who was not required to facilitate the construction of pipelines to heat buildings using renewable energy.

In July 2021, the Guardian published evidence showing the Queen had vetted at least 67 Scottish acts, including legislation dealing with planning laws, property taxation, and protections from tenants, after the Scottish Liberal Democrats uncovered correspondence detailing the use of crown consent in Scotland.

Sure like any vastly wealthy individual/corporation she will do some lobbying. Prince Charles loves it as well. But there is a difference between using power and influence to lobby (wrong but not constitution threatening) to outright refusing bills. Imagine she refused to give a bill that threatened Sandringham assent which had been passed in the houses.

I like neeps wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 9:13 am

ASMO wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 9:05 am What would absolutely force the issue is if all those who voted against him in the ballot, quit the party and crossed the floor as independents. His majority would be down the drain and he would have no choice. Will they have the balls to do it? doubtful, most of them are invertebrates

That would end their careers as MPs though.. the Tories won't give them their seats back.

sturginho wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 9:19 am Another one gone

The Daily Express wrote:This political drama could be the catalyst for a new era in the Johnson premiership in which he seeks to transform the country with even greater ambition. Those who still respect his genius for campaigning but are dismayed by mistakes and gaffes will now watch the PM intently for evidence he can unite the party and rapidly change Britain for the better. Mr Johnson will deploy his legendary gifts of persuasion to renew MPs’ faith. Rather than choreograph a graceful retreat, this Prime Minister plans to put his foot to the floor and accelerate ahead. His will to win is his greatest weapon, and he will relish the challenge of defying those who think him finished.