Stop voting for fucking Tories

[petej]

The Blonde Bumblecunt shitshow finishing exactly as I knew it would ... in chaos, infighting, back stabbing and scratching each others faces. As usual this empire built on 'charismatic' leadership has run into the sand a bit like others before them, the most obvious one being Trump. As soon as the glue that holds them all together - lies, deceit, crookedness, self interest, overblown egos, etc - gets fully exposed and comes out into the open then they take fright and desert the sinking ship. The McDonald letter was masterful in its timing and wording - it tore apart the whole charade in a methodical and surgeon like series of cuts.

Of course there are and always will be the loyal servants, they have too much personally invested in the BB to cut loose, they have been brain washed and believe their own shite and will cling on for as long as possible but they are a diminishing rump of idiots, such as the adorable Nadine. Those who jump ship will now be eager to distance themselves as far as possible from the BB so expect some really damaging stories to emerge from them about how they felt awful about it but want to 'cleanse their souls' before running their leadership campaign. It will be far far worse than any of us ever imagined! The influence of Russia in both Vote Leave and then funding of the Tory party will emerge and plunge the Tories into deep do do land. I strongly suspect the Civil Service and other Gov agencies will also get into the act and 'leak' some more interesting and damaging info, such as PPE contracts or 'secret' donations. It will be a complete and utter shit show and we will be astonished about the depths of criminality that will be exposed.

The Blonde Bumblecunt will end up either in jail or probably, like Trump standing at the side of the road shouting at passing lorries. However unlike Trump I don't think Carrie will be with him, she will jump ships as she has done throughout her whole life and find another rich Tory to latch onto and maintain her lifestyle. The rest of his acolytes will end up on GB News alongside Laurence Fox and other covid deniers telling porkies to UKIP supporters.

While I dearly hope that is true he is still PM and isn't going to go easily.

[I like neeps]

The Crown /Monarchy absolutely get involved in politics - they just try to keep it quiet

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... nment-memo

Sure like any vastly wealthy individual/corporation she will do some lobbying. Prince Charles loves it as well. But there is a difference between using power and influence to lobby (wrong but not constitution threatening) to outright refusing bills. Imagine she refused to give a bill that threatened Sandringham assent which had been passed in the houses.

So the monarchy do get involved in politics then

Yes of course I can't imagine the Crown refusing to sign off bills , but having them amended beforehand certainly seems to happen, and unlike any other powerful lobby group there is always that implied threat that they could refuse to sign bills.

The crown has maintained a back channel to sneak amendments into legislation in such a way as to leave no way for the public or their parliamentary representatives to ever know that changes had been requested or made . I'm not sure how comfortable I am with that

Okay I will rephrase. The monarchy absolutely cannot use their constitutional powers (which I think was black and white obvious in my point as nobody thinks they're lobbying for Boris to go as why would they care) and will continue to lobby in their own interests as does everyone with money.

[sockwithaticket]

So, it's all Alastair Campbell's fault

Watch this space?

you should expect far greater scrutiny of your business history

Campbell is a cunt, but I do sometimes think the Left would be a bit further along in this country if prepared to somewhat embrace his type of hard nosed pragmatism and fight a bit dirtier.

[Tichtheid]

There is a heavy innuendo in Alastair Campbell's reply to Zahawi about the latter's business history coming into close scrutiny now that he is Chancellor.

Whatever can he mean?

Apart from that, I see an old story about Zahawi has resurfaced about the time he claimed £5K expenses for electricity bills for his estate, part of which was used to heat the stables.

We're all in it together, levelling up etc.

I expect my stables and horses are in the post.

[ASMO]

Rumour has it that NutNut has jumped ship, i heard this from someone who will definitely be close to the truth.

[I like neeps]

There is a heavy innuendo in Alastair Campbell's reply to Zahawi about the latter's business history coming into close scrutiny now that he is Chancellor.

Whatever can he mean?

Apart from that, I see an old story about Zahawi has resurfaced about the time he claimed £5K expenses for electricity bills for his estate, part of which was used to heat the stables.

We're all in it together, levelling up etc.

I expect my stables and horses are in the post.

He was instrumental in securing treasury loans to Greensill. That's what he's talking about.

[C T]

Steve Barclay to Health. Zahawi to no ten, likely new chancellor. He's appointing new ministers, he'll try to ride this out.

Seems about right, not entirely surprising. Perhaps going to go down as one of the most selfish PM's in history, without a single care given about the damage he's causing so long as he stays in power.

Personally I think he's lost that majority of the party now and if another no confidence vote is held I think he will lose, and I think he will lose quite heavily. Those publicly supporting are just crapping on themselves at the moment.

Beginning of the end I think, but not for a while until the 1922 committee figure out how to hold another vote.

Beginning of the end again is it?

Johnson will tear down anyone and anything to keep power. Joke of a country.

I get it sounds a bit silly given all that he has managed to survive through so far, but this feels like he's lost the party now. He was a lot closer to loosing the party in the no confidence vote than I was expecting.

I think it will be a relatively simple amendment to the rules, something like "not for another 12 months or if it's clear that the majority of the party agree".

He won't resign, but I think he will be forced out kicking and screaming. It'll make for better viewing, I'll probably enjoy that more. But if he had any thought process other than what benefits him he would resign and stop stinking the country/tory party up. He won't of course.

But I've been wrong about many things in the past, will be wrong about many things more to come. Hopefully this won't be one of them.

[petej]

Feel like pmq's will be worth watching today.

[ASMO]

Currently DfE has zero ministers

[tc27]

Feel like pmq's will be worth watching today.

Will be an anticlimax.

I really think it will be this week now.

[sturginho]

[sturginho]

1st question, 1st lie

[tc27]

Will be interesting to see if Blackford goes in about the Pincher abuse as the SNP are currently embroiled in a very similar scandal.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ts-mp-says

[salanya]

Boris going for the blustered playground defense.

Embarrassing.

[petej]

Who is next dorries (not Zahawi)?

[tc27]

Gove not on the government bench

[Hal Jordan]

Johnson must be praying to hear four words right now.

"London Bridge is down."

[Ovals]

Starmer 'the sinking ship fleeing the rats'

THat's a real beauty.

[fishfoodie]

Feel like pmq's will be worth watching today.

Will be an anticlimax.

I really think it will be this week now.

They call this Prime Ministers Questions, because there's never any Answers, & that's the damn problem.

What's the point of a Speaker, if they don't stop the evasions; indeed, what is the point of PMQs ?

[sturginho]

Feel like pmq's will be worth watching today.

Will be an anticlimax.

I really think it will be this week now.

They call this Prime Ministers Questions, because there's never any Answers, & that's the damn problem.

What's the point of a Speaker, if they don't stop the evasions; indeed, what is the point of PMQs ?

It's all a bit pointless when the PM has no shame

[salanya]

Mr Speaker objecting to applause. Lying is fine, but putting two hands together is dishonourable.

And Boris is going to win another election...

Mad people in a parallel world - shocking

[tabascoboy]

[Tichtheid]

Their tactics currently seem to be to go after Corbyn

[Ovals]

Javid sticking the knife in - and Andrew, the housing minister, adds his name to the list of resignations.

[ASMO]

Gove is next, you heard it here first.

[yermum]

Gove is third wheel ready to sprint for the line.

[salanya]

Gove is next, you heard it here first.

Didn't want to be left out of the next leadership lists.

Or maybe had to wait 24 hours to offer a clear urine sample first?

[fishfoodie]

Gove is next, you heard it here first.

I think the Beeb might have gotten there before you

One of Boris Johnson's allies claimed that Rishi Sunak and Sajid Javid had failed to "tap up" support from other cabinet ministers, before announcing their resignations on Tuesday evening, although one more minister has yet to make his intentions clear.

[ia801310]

Boris is going to have to be dragged kicking and screaming



I don't mean that as a euphemism, I actually think he will have to be physically dragged out like Julian Assange

[Ovals]

Boris is going to have to be dragged kicking and screaming



I don't mean that as a euphemism, I actually think he will have to be physically dragged out like Julian Assange

That'll be one helluva lot deselections

[Biffer]

The queen absolutely could not ever do it anyway no matter any principle. The monarchy absolutely cannot get involved in politics, that's the deal.

Yeah I get that, but there are circumstances where non-involvement is also involvement. I.e. if Labour opposed a snap election, could the Queen be certain that the wish for an early election right now commands the confidence of the House?

Yes because she has to, she absolutely cannot make the decision on what might or might not win majority support of the house. Non involvement can be involvement but it would be unprecedented in her reign if she started making political decisions about elections. Just won't happen.

That's not right. There is no reason why the Queen should feel o liged to call an election to protect an individual PM who can't control the house. Or his own party. She has the power to say its not the parliament, its not the country, its you. You are my prime minister and in this situation I can dismiss you.

[Biffer]

Boris is going to have to be dragged kicking and screaming



I don't mean that as a euphemism, I actually think he will have to be physically dragged out like Julian Assange

Yep, I think the same. It'll need police to escort him out

[ASMO]

He doesn't have a mandate, that party does, and if the party do not want him as leader, he has to go. In effect, he is sacked

[petej]

He doesn't have a mandate, that party does, and if the party do not want him as leader, he has to go. In effect, he is sacked

I assume if he is not the leader of the party it stops him deselecting MP's.

[Torquemada 1420]

The Crown /Monarchy absolutely get involved in politics - they just try to keep it quiet

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... nment-memo

Yeah. But there will still be all these stupid c**ts running around telling us what a force for good the monarchy is.

[tc27]

He doesn't have a mandate, that party does, and if the party do not want him as leader, he has to go. In effect, he is sacked

He has a mandate from his constituency voters so can stay on as an MP if he likes. Thats it.

[tabascoboy]

[petej]

Where is Gove? Is he going to deliver the deathblow.

[GogLais]

Yeah I get that, but there are circumstances where non-involvement is also involvement. I.e. if Labour opposed a snap election, could the Queen be certain that the wish for an early election right now commands the confidence of the House?

Yes because she has to, she absolutely cannot make the decision on what might or might not win majority support of the house. Non involvement can be involvement but it would be unprecedented in her reign if she started making political decisions about elections. Just won't happen.

That's not right. There is no reason why the Queen should feel o liged to call an election to protect an individual PM who can't control the house. Or his own party. She has the power to say its not the parliament, its not the country, its you. You are my prime minister and in this situation I can dismiss you.

Logically she should be able to say that ok Johnson d”can’t command a majority in the HoC but let’s see if another Conservative could.

[SaintK]

Gove is next, you heard it here first.

Pictured within the Palace of Westminster jsut before PMQ's but didn't take his seat

Gove told Johnson this morning he should quit, report claims
Michael Gove, the levelling up secretary, told Boris Johnson this morning while they were preparing for PMQs that he should quit, the Mail’s John Stevens reports. In his story Stevens says:

At a meeting this morning, the Housing Secretary urged the Prime Minister to stand down.

Mr Gove helped Mr Johnson to prepare for Prime Minister’s Questions, but was noticeably absent from the frontbench as he faced MPs at noon.

Sources have told The Mail+ that beforehand the Cabinet minister told Mr Johnson he should quit.

A spokesman for Mr Gove did not dispute this.