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Biffer wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 12:57 pm

I like neeps wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:31 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:23 am

Yeah I get that, but there are circumstances where non-involvement is also involvement. I.e. if Labour opposed a snap election, could the Queen be certain that the wish for an early election right now commands the confidence of the House?

Yes because she has to, she absolutely cannot make the decision on what might or might not win majority support of the house. Non involvement can be involvement but it would be unprecedented in her reign if she started making political decisions about elections. Just won't happen.

That's not right. There is no reason why the Queen should feel o liged to call an election to protect an individual PM who can't control the house. Or his own party. She has the power to say its not the parliament, its not the country, its you. You are my prime minister and in this situation I can dismiss you.

ASMO wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 12:02 pm Gove is next, you heard it here first.

Gove told Johnson this morning he should quit, report claims
Michael Gove, the levelling up secretary, told Boris Johnson this morning while they were preparing for PMQs that he should quit, the Mail’s John Stevens reports. In his story Stevens says:

At a meeting this morning, the Housing Secretary urged the Prime Minister to stand down.

Mr Gove helped Mr Johnson to prepare for Prime Minister’s Questions, but was noticeably absent from the frontbench as he faced MPs at noon.

Sources have told The Mail+ that beforehand the Cabinet minister told Mr Johnson he should quit.

A spokesman for Mr Gove did not dispute this.

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:07 pm Sadly, all these Tories who have found their principles now that their seats might be under threat and just going to install some other piece of shit to continue the horror show of their party's policies.

sturginho wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:15 pm

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:07 pm Sadly, all these Tories who have found their principles now that their seats might be under threat and just going to install some other piece of shit to continue the horror show of their party's policies.

at a certain point he's going to start running out of willing replacements

sturginho wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:15 pm

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:07 pm Sadly, all these Tories who have found their principles now that their seats might be under threat and just going to install some other piece of shit to continue the horror show of their party's policies.

at a certain point he's going to start running out of willing replacements

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:39 pm

sturginho wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:15 pm

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:07 pm Sadly, all these Tories who have found their principles now that their seats might be under threat and just going to install some other piece of shit to continue the horror show of their party's policies.

at a certain point he's going to start running out of willing replacements

Hal meant the party as a whole will install someone as leader to continue the Tory horrorshow, not Boris finding new ministers.

And he's right, everyone resigning a post now will still be an MP and they are the cunts who've kept quiet until now about all sorts of scandalous behaviour centred around number 10, calmly accepted the corruption around PPE contracts and happily voted for the curtailment of protest rights etc. etc.

The Tories are rotten to the core and I worry at what might get done legislatively with a leader and cabinet not constantly putting out fires around personal conduct. They may play just nice enough to come through another election and then set to continuing to sell off public assets, personal rights and whatever else can be sacrificed on the twin altars of the market and personal gain.

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:39 pm And he's right, everyone resigning a post now will still be an MP and they are the cunts who've kept quiet until now about all sorts of scandalous behaviour centred around number 10, calmly accepted the corruption around PPE contracts and happily voted for the curtailment of protest rights etc. etc.

sturginho wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:42 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:39 pm

sturginho wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:15 pm

at a certain point he's going to start running out of willing replacements

Hal meant the party as a whole will install someone as leader to continue the Tory horrorshow, not Boris finding new ministers.

And he's right, everyone resigning a post now will still be an MP and they are the cunts who've kept quiet until now about all sorts of scandalous behaviour centred around number 10, calmly accepted the corruption around PPE contracts and happily voted for the curtailment of protest rights etc. etc.

The Tories are rotten to the core and I worry at what might get done legislatively with a leader and cabinet not constantly putting out fires around personal conduct. They may play just nice enough to come through another election and then set to continuing to sell off public assets, personal rights and whatever else can be sacrificed on the twin altars of the market and personal gain.

Oh I agree 100% with this, we need the whole stinking lot of them gone

Conservative MPs say that they have heard from party whips that there are now no MPs prepared to fill the vacant positions from those who have resigned en masse.
One former minister who has stayed loyal to Johnson told their whip that there were absolutely no terms they were prepared to accept and said the whip had agreed with them.
Another MP said they believed that message had been conveyed in “brusque tones” to Downing Street.

SaintK wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:20 pm

sturginho wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:42 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:39 pm

Hal meant the party as a whole will install someone as leader to continue the Tory horrorshow, not Boris finding new ministers.

And he's right, everyone resigning a post now will still be an MP and they are the cunts who've kept quiet until now about all sorts of scandalous behaviour centred around number 10, calmly accepted the corruption around PPE contracts and happily voted for the curtailment of protest rights etc. etc.

The Tories are rotten to the core and I worry at what might get done legislatively with a leader and cabinet not constantly putting out fires around personal conduct. They may play just nice enough to come through another election and then set to continuing to sell off public assets, personal rights and whatever else can be sacrificed on the twin altars of the market and personal gain.

Oh I agree 100% with this, we need the whole stinking lot of them gone

It would appear that point may have been reached!!!

Conservative MPs say that they have heard from party whips that there are now no MPs prepared to fill the vacant positions from those who have resigned en masse.
One former minister who has stayed loyal to Johnson told their whip that there were absolutely no terms they were prepared to accept and said the whip had agreed with them.
Another MP said they believed that message had been conveyed in “brusque tones” to Downing Street.

The Lascelles Principles are a constitutional convention in the United Kingdom beginning in 1950, under which the Sovereign can refuse a request from the Prime Minister to dissolve Parliament if three conditions were met:

if the existing Parliament was still "vital, viable, and capable of doing its job",
if a general election would be "detrimental to the national economy", and
if the Sovereign could "rely on finding another prime minister who could govern for a reasonable period with a working majority in the House of Commons".
The convention was in abeyance from 2011 to 2022, when the Sovereign's prerogative power to dissolve Parliament was removed by the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011. Following passage of the Dissolution and Calling of Parliament Act 2022, which repealed the Fixed-term Parliaments Act, these principles are thought to have been revived.[1]

tc27 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:38 pm Delegation of cabinet ministers apprantly going in to see BJ now and convince him its over.

Apparantly includes Nadhim Zahawi

tc27 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:38 pm Delegation of cabinet ministers apprantly going in to see BJ now and convince him its over.

Apparantly includes Nadhim Zahawi

tc27 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:38 pm Delegation of cabinet ministers apprantly going in to see BJ now and convince him its over.

Apparantly includes Nadhim Zahawi

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:45 pm Hang in there Boris. Those cunts don't know how good they had it with you

salanya wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:42 pm Zahawi (and Truss) better not dare - they made their brown-nosed bed, they can lie in it.

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:56 pm

I like neeps wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:52 pm

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:45 pm Hang in there Boris. Those cunts don't know how good they had it with you

The conservative party post Brexit will never unite behind any coherent political philosophy. Either you have a "star chamber" nutjob inflicting damage on the UK economy with terrible EU relations or you have someone who wants to boost the economy which necessarily involves closer relations with the EU. Neither faction can stand the other. They are screwed longterm. They can't pretend it's both anymore as the facts show it isn't.

He really was a stupid prick though all the same. The notion he was extremely bright and a great schemer behind all the bluster couldn't stand up to the scrutiny of him saying stuff like

Johnson refuses to deny reports that in 2019 he said all the sex pests were voting for him. He says he cannot recall saying that.

I like neeps wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:52 pm

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:45 pm Hang in there Boris. Those cunts don't know how good they had it with you

The conservative party post Brexit will never unite behind any coherent political philosophy. Either you have a "star chamber" nutjob inflicting damage on the UK economy with terrible EU relations or you have someone who wants to boost the economy which necessarily involves closer relations with the EU. Neither faction can stand the other. They are screwed longterm. They can't pretend it's both anymore as the facts show it isn't.

SaintK wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:43 pm

tc27 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:38 pm Delegation of cabinet ministers apprantly going in to see BJ now and convince him its over.

Apparantly includes Nadhim Zahawi

Evidently it includes Shapps, and the Welsh and Scottish secretaries and the Chief Whip

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 4:18 pm

SaintK wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:43 pm

tc27 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:38 pm Delegation of cabinet ministers apprantly going in to see BJ now and convince him its over.

Apparantly includes Nadhim Zahawi

Evidently it includes Shapps, and the Welsh and Scottish secretaries and the Chief Whip

Rumour mill has Patel with them

I like neeps wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 4:01 pm At times like this I wish bimbo was here.

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:49 pm Fat cunt thinks they voted for him to be President.

Camroc2 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 4:27 pm

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:49 pm Fat cunt thinks they voted for him to be President.

FPTP system essentially elects term dictatorships.