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Posted: **Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:56 am**

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 12:37 pm Dregs V Connacht off; Covid outbreak in Dregs squad

Saturday's Guinness Pro14 clash between Connacht and the Dragons has been postponed due to an outbreak of Covid-19 within the Dragons' squad.

The Dragons returned seven new positive Covid-19 tests this week as part of the Welsh Rugby's weekly testing programme.

Working alongside Public Health Wales the decision has been made to close operations within the club for a fortnight, with no training or games to take place during this time.

Fingers crossed it doesn't go any further.

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:50 am**

The fail have come out with a piece on the blues tryign to sign wainwright. He'd be a great signing, especially if we played him solely at 8, with no big Nick, Navidis rapidly approaching 30 he could be just what we need over the next decade, I'd take Rhodri in a heart beat too, and moving to Cardiff would no doubt advance both their international claims, but Wainrwrights in the 38, and rhodri isn't.

With the new funding structure, it seems harder than ever for the Dragons to hold onto any real quality

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:19 pm**

Its beginning, Haywards been sacked

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:57 pm**

Timings random though and last game at least defence wasn’t the glaring issue. Is it a precursor to clearing house or has pivac panicked?

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:09 pm**

As per a previous post of mine, many players are apparently not happy with Pivac and his Scarlets bias, especially the cardiff and ospreys players at the start of this belated campaign(reluactant to call it bias, outright favouritism is probably better). haywards defence apparently causing great frustration in the team, rumours suggest this may be an act of appeasement by Pivac as hayward was public and team enemy number one. Can't imagine it will be limited to this.

Player power undoubtedly had its part. Gethin no doubt will just reinsate Edwards tactics, with the fall guy gone, It'll move to humphries and then media darling himself Jones.

Tipuric has alledgedly called wales "a sinking ship"

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:10 pm**

RBear wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:57 pm Timings random though and last game at least defence wasn’t the glaring issue. Is it a precursor to clearing house or has pivac panicked?

By the last game, Gethin was running the show

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:12 pm**

Theflier wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:09 pm As per a previous post of mine, many players are apparently not happy with Pivac and his Scarlets bias, especially the cardiff and ospreys players at the start of this belated campaign(reluactant to call it bias, outright favouritism is probably better). haywards defence apparently causing great frustration in the team, rumours suggest this may be an act of appeasement by Pivac as hayward was public and team enemy number one. Can't imagine it will be limited to this.

Player power undoubtedly had its part. Gethin no doubt will just reinsate Edwards tactics, with the fall guy gone, It'll move to humphries and then media darling himself Jones.

Tipuric has alledgedly called wales "a sinking ship", among others from cardiff reiterating the same

This is second hand info, I know first hand from a Cardiff winger, there's not a lot of respect for the entire team

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:27 pm**

Theflier wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:12 pm
Theflier wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:09 pm As per a previous post of mine, many players are apparently not happy with Pivac and his Scarlets bias, especially the cardiff and ospreys players at the start of this belated campaign(reluactant to call it bias, outright favouritism is probably better). haywards defence apparently causing great frustration in the team, rumours suggest this may be an act of appeasement by Pivac as hayward was public and team enemy number one. Can't imagine it will be limited to this.

Player power undoubtedly had its part. Gethin no doubt will just reinsate Edwards tactics, with the fall guy gone, It'll move to humphries and then media darling himself Jones.

Tipuric has alledgedly called wales "a sinking ship", among others from cardiff reiterating the same

This is second hand info, I know first hand from a Cardiff winger, there's not a lot of respect for the entire team

Its obvious there is A ton of frustration out there, and Pivac will in the end suffer the fate of so many regional or Welsh club coaches, the team look tired, pissed off, confused and just lack any kind of commitment.
lose all our games this autumn and he will be gone, Gatland played to our strengths, Pivac is trying to turn them into the Scarlets, it won't work.

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:40 pm**

Sweet freakin' Jesus this sounds like Waldron /Neath years. Clear the lot out and start again

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:47 pm**

frodder wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:40 pm Sweet freakin' Jesus this sounds like Waldron /Neath years. Clear the lot out and start again

we've just bargained all our players down to 75% of their salary, and then slung £5m of debt at each region, effectively handing out that salary reduction for a few years on top. can't imagine paying off the coaching team and buying in a new one would go down well. We had a chance, we blew it. blame the turks and the outgoing WRU heads

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 2:54 pm**

Theflier wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:47 pm
frodder wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:40 pm Sweet freakin' Jesus this sounds like Waldron /Neath years. Clear the lot out and start again
we've just bargained all our players down to 75% of their salary, and then slung £5m of debt at each region, effectively handing out that salary reduction for a few years on top. can't imagine paying off the coaching team and buying in a new one would go down well. We had a chance, we blew it. blame the turks and the outgoing WRU heads

There's a clause in their contracts for June 2021 - so doubt termination is going to cost the WRU big bucks.

It will arguably cost them a lot more to have Team Wales flailing around & fighting for wooden spoons for the next few years

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 3:18 pm**

P in VG wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 2:54 pm
Theflier wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:47 pm
frodder wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:40 pm Sweet freakin' Jesus this sounds like Waldron /Neath years. Clear the lot out and start again
we've just bargained all our players down to 75% of their salary, and then slung £5m of debt at each region, effectively handing out that salary reduction for a few years on top. can't imagine paying off the coaching team and buying in a new one would go down well. We had a chance, we blew it. blame the turks and the outgoing WRU heads
There's a clause in their contracts for June 2021 - so doubt termination is going to cost the WRU big bucks.

It will arguably cost them a lot more to have Team Wales flailing around & fighting for wooden spoons for the next few years

Correct, if 'Team Wales' start to lose support (outside of 6N's games when supporters are back) then they're screwed. We're going to get man shamed by the Irish

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 3:32 pm**

I think Theflier is right though - It would be a bad look to sack Pivac & appoint his replacement - having just issued that loan & pay-cuts elsewhere

Pivac will be binned after the next 6N / next June (whichever comes first). There'll be more coaches available then to replace him as well.

In the meantime we can enjoy some good old-fashioned bummings by the Irish & English.

Joy.

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 3:37 pm**

P in VG wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 3:32 pm I think Theflier is right though - It would be a bad look to sack Pivac & appoint his replacement - having just issued that loan & pay-cuts elsewhere

Pivac will be binned after the next 6N / next June (whichever comes first). There'll be more coaches available then to replace him as well.

In the meantime we can enjoy some good old-fashioned bummings by the Irish & English.

Joy.

Exactly, its shit, but the best we can hope for is some serious gapings to cement what needs to be done, and offer the position as a top seed guaranteed world cup team head coach and appoint accordingly, and prosper at the thought the turks malignancy will be silenced for the short to medium future. with lam under lock and key, robertson will probably be our man

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 3:44 pm**

Ospreys not up for it today.

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 4:12 pm**

Theflier wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 3:37 pm
P in VG wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 3:32 pm I think Theflier is right though - It would be a bad look to sack Pivac & appoint his replacement - having just issued that loan & pay-cuts elsewhere

Pivac will be binned after the next 6N / next June (whichever comes first). There'll be more coaches available then to replace him as well.

In the meantime we can enjoy some good old-fashioned bummings by the Irish & English.

Joy.
Exactly, its shit, but the best we can hope for is some serious gapings to cement what needs to be done, and offer the position as a top seed guaranteed world cup team head coach and appoint accordingly, and prosper at the thought the turks malignancy will be silenced for the short to medium future. with lam under lock and key, robertson will probably be our man

I hope Pivac can turn things around, but if its true the players are already pissed off with him then he has a ton of problems, I think Wales was an environment where the players loved to go when things were shit in the region, but if Pivac game is causing confusion then he's fucked.

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 4:50 pm**

Well that ended up being a damp squib of a game, Leinster didn't need to do much more than turn up for a BP win.

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 5:09 pm**

bessantj wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 4:50 pm Well that ended up being a damp squib of a game, Leinster didn't need to do much more than turn up for a BP win.

Zebre at home aside, its mightily difficult to see where the next wins for the dregs or Os comes from this season, apart from each other. Very grim, argument fro 3 pro teams will gain pace after this season

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 5:11 pm**

Bless him but Scott needs to call it a day

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 5:20 pm**

Theflier wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 5:09 pm
bessantj wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 4:50 pm Well that ended up being a damp squib of a game, Leinster didn't need to do much more than turn up for a BP win.
Zebre at home aside, its mightily difficult to see where the next wins for the dregs or Os comes from this season, apart from each other. Very grim, argument fro 3 pro teams will gain pace after this season

It's grim for all the regions indeed. Speaking of Zebra, lets see if the Scarlets can do the business.

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 5:23 pm**

Good first try from the Scarlets.

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 5:45 pm**

Good try from the Scarlets, pity about the forward pass.

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 5:45 pm**

Great solo try from Jac Morgan

Almost

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 5:49 pm**

They get that one though, a good bit of rugby and a good finish.

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 5:49 pm**

Nice try

Shoulbe a try not clear and obvious he was in front tbh

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 6:33 pm**

Suddenly things don't look so good for the Scarlets. A flat pass picked off and Zebre are over. Fortunately conversion missed at it's 15-14 Scarlets with just over 20 left.

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 6:41 pm**

Zebre flanker Koffi needs a smack for that. Playing the ball on the ground when there was no need. Great break from Zebre and the ball was coming back their way.

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 6:50 pm**

O'Brien been signed from the newport volley ball team?

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 6:52 pm**

Comical stuff

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 6:55 pm**

Zebre ahead 15-17, lucky the Zebre kicker has been gash or they'd be further ahead of Scarlets.

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 6:57 pm**

Scarlets back in front 18-17 with 4 to go.

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 7:03 pm**

Bit of a get out of jail for the Scarlyts in the end but they do get the win.

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 7:05 pm**

2nd highest funded team in the league, wins at home 18-17 against 2nd from bottom funded team, with 14 international call ups. Farcical

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 7:12 pm**

Theflier wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 7:05 pm 2nd highest funded team in the league, wins at home 18-17 against 2nd from bottom funded team, with 14 international call ups. Farcical

Teehee

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 7:30 pm**

Theflier wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 6:50 pm O'Brien been signed from the newport volley ball team?

He is absolutely gash, nowhere near professional level.
What an embarrassing performance, how many pens did Rob Evans give away?

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 7:45 pm**

C69 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 7:30 pm
Theflier wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 6:50 pm O'Brien been signed from the newport volley ball team?
He is absolutely gash, nowhere near professional level.
What an embarrassing performance, how many pens did Rob Evans give away?

Dunno, heard 17 overall. Still riding that winning season reputation, Cardiff would've seen a card or two.

I don't hate the Scarlets per se, but I hate 1) the subjective nature of funding allocation 2) the doubling down on how that is a poor strategy given the results we can see.

Apparently O'Brien is on well north of £130k. Madness

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 8:10 pm**

Johnny average Kiwi poach is shite

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:09 pm**

the 90s are definitely back

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:30 pm**

Steffan Thomas saying on Twitter that he had terrible man management and would throw his toys out the pram if questioned by the players. Seems to back up the rumours that it is not a happy camp at the minute.

Posted: **Sun Nov 08, 2020 9:55 pm**

Well I've asked some of the boys from back in my day, they played it down, said there's a general malaise ongoing, but blame isn't really being pointed or dished out and the lads apparently are keen to overcome it. The guys I know at Cardiff maintain a few of the lads are still disgruntled about not being selected, but don't really know Pivac or any of his staff too well, so its more of a bitter pill and scarlets favouritism fits the blame bill.

Couple of the Gwlad lot reporting this from whatsapp,

It’s been confirmed that Haywood has “mutually” left the Welsh set up. Apparently players not getting on with his or Pivac’s methods. Medical staff are also walking. Pivac is going to be announced soon as well, his coaching approach is why the likes of Warburton left the set-up.
Scott Robertson from New Zealand to take over.

Crazy if true. I wanted Pivac gone before he became a contender, but I'd have at least let him see out this tourney. It would make sense for someone like robertson, can't imagine his NZR contract compares to Lams Bristol buy out, gives him 2 years knowing he'll be 3 knock out games away from winning a RWC, and if he does it, foster is probably fired and he can go get the job he wants.

Its hard to believe this, given none of it was apparently ever an issue at the turks

Pro sport can be a cunt of a job

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