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Lemoentjie wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:08 pm The main problem with sorting by jobs is it can be hard to check who actually works where.

In a small country with good social cohesion (Iceland) it's definitely possible, but in SA or USA or UK it can be very difficult. And because a large minority people are scumbags, they will lie about their job so they can skip the normal order of vaccinations.

You can almost guarantee that whatever the sector, it would be the folk in offices with relatively little risk or exposure to the public who would be getting vaccinated first.

robmatic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:20 pm

Lemoentjie wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:08 pm The main problem with sorting by jobs is it can be hard to check who actually works where.

In a small country with good social cohesion (Iceland) it's definitely possible, but in SA or USA or UK it can be very difficult. And because a large minority people are scumbags, they will lie about their job so they can skip the normal order of vaccinations.

You can almost guarantee that whatever the sector, it would be the folk in offices with relatively little risk or exposure to the public who would be getting vaccinated first.

A friend works for a large defence contractor in the UK. Apparently a few staff were agitating to be declared 'critical workers' which technically defence companies can do. The company, to its credit, said they weren't critical as they are just regular office staff.

Meanwhile, in Europe over 80% of AZ vaccines doses delivered so far are sitting in Fridges unused as no-one wants them. In Germany alone there's 1.4 million unused doses.

What a complete, utter, total, fuck-up

Saint wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:26 pm Meanwhile, in Europe over 80% of AZ vaccines doses delivered so far are sitting in Fridges unused as no-one wants them. In Germany alone there's 1.4 million unused doses.

What a complete, utter, total, fuck-up

That is a disgrace! Surely there are 1.4 million immigrants from outside the EU living in Germany who would jump at the chance to get one? Fuck the Krauts and their EU wankerdom.

Looks like Thursday will be north of 500k vaccinations recorded

tc27 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:05 pm Looks like Thursday will be north of 500k vaccinations recorded

nice

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:43 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:26 pm Meanwhile, in Europe over 80% of AZ vaccines doses delivered so far are sitting in Fridges unused as no-one wants them. In Germany alone there's 1.4 million unused doses.

What a complete, utter, total, fuck-up

That is a disgrace! Surely there are 1.4 million immigrants from outside the EU living in Germany who would jump at the chance to get one? Fuck the Krauts and their EU wankerdom.

After all the nonsense about suing AZ to get doses, or insisting on shipments come from the UK, it's a bit of a piss take really

Saint wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:12 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:43 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:26 pm Meanwhile, in Europe over 80% of AZ vaccines doses delivered so far are sitting in Fridges unused as no-one wants them. In Germany alone there's 1.4 million unused doses.

What a complete, utter, total, fuck-up

That is a disgrace! Surely there are 1.4 million immigrants from outside the EU living in Germany who would jump at the chance to get one? Fuck the Krauts and their EU wankerdom.

After all the nonsense about suing AZ to get doses, or insisting on shipments come from the UK, it's a bit of a piss take really

The lesson is that politicians make all decisions with their own career in mind and are quite happy to throw anybody and anything under the bus in pursuit of that aim.

This is hardly news but to have it demonstrated on a continental scale is impressive.

Dinsdale Piranha wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:41 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:12 pm

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:43 pm

That is a disgrace! Surely there are 1.4 million immigrants from outside the EU living in Germany who would jump at the chance to get one? Fuck the Krauts and their EU wankerdom.

After all the nonsense about suing AZ to get doses, or insisting on shipments come from the UK, it's a bit of a piss take really

The lesson is that politicians make all decisions with their own career in mind and are quite happy to throw anybody and anything under the bus in pursuit of that aim.

This is hardly news but to have it demonstrated on a continental scale is impressive.

And yet just yesterday Ursula van der Leyen was still assuring EU leaders that they would prevent AZ vaccines from leaving the EU if they fail to deliver more supplies

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... id-vaccine

It seems she would rather the EU stockpile unused vaccines rather than let AZ supply anyone else.

sturginho wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:06 pm

tc27 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:05 pm Looks like Thursday will be north of 500k vaccinations recorded

nice

520k in the end, 35k of which were 2nd doses

Lobby wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 4:21 pm

Dinsdale Piranha wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:41 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:12 pm

After all the nonsense about suing AZ to get doses, or insisting on shipments come from the UK, it's a bit of a piss take really

The lesson is that politicians make all decisions with their own career in mind and are quite happy to throw anybody and anything under the bus in pursuit of that aim.

This is hardly news but to have it demonstrated on a continental scale is impressive.

And yet just yesterday Ursula van der Leyen was still assuring EU leaders that they would prevent AZ vaccines from leaving the EU if they fail to deliver more supplies

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... id-vaccine

It seems she would rather the EU stockpile unused vaccines rather than let AZ supply anyone else.

Gotta do something to deflect the blame. "The British are stealing our vaccines!"

BnM wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:49 pm Had the AstraZeneca yesterday. Got the side effects, injection arm achy, ran hot a few hours ago now cold and weirdly my butt muscles ache. I might have blamed the bed but it started before bed last night. I'm also very tired.

Men don't just wear a shirt to it, put a t-shirt underneath or plan your clothes to make it easier. Way too many bare torso's on view, you have no real privacy.

FWIW today has been fine, no brain fog, tiredness, temp issues or butt ache, maybe slight ache in the arm I was injected with. So all good.

Had the PFizer 2 weeks ago, I'm 55 but had cancer 4 yrs ago. No symptoms apart from mild joint aches which disappeared. Perfectly normal since.

Wyndham Upalot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:10 pm Had the PFizer 2 weeks ago, I'm 55 but had cancer 4 yrs ago. No symptoms apart from mild joint aches which disappeared. Perfectly normal since.

My Dad has blood cancer so is on immunotherapy and he had no issues either. Weirdly I also had aches from the flu jab for the first time this year too. He had AZ like me.

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:43 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:26 pm Meanwhile, in Europe over 80% of AZ vaccines doses delivered so far are sitting in Fridges unused as no-one wants them. In Germany alone there's 1.4 million unused doses.

What a complete, utter, total, fuck-up

That is a disgrace! Surely there are 1.4 million immigrants from outside the EU living in Germany who would jump at the chance to get one? Fuck the Krauts and their EU wankerdom.

Every single dose not administered yet is 100% down to refusal. This is irrefutable fact. They will go unadminstered and expire. Absolutely none have anything to do with recent deliveries and the already poor roll-out rates of the other vaccines and focus on administering to the priority age groups. It is a European wide conspiracy to drum down the UK, nothing more. Even those famously EU loving dirty Swiss are in on it.

In all seriousness, hopefully completion of the ongoing US/S America trials and examination of real world data will allow those regulators that haven't approved for 65+ groups will allow them to do so and result in public uptake from the likes of Merkel. Although by that point I imagine the Pfizer and Moderns rollouts would have substantially covered those older groups. So buy in would invariably have to be from the lower age groups. But the damage is done and will take serious campaigning to resolve.

Presume there will be some late trading between member states for vaccines that their pops don't exhibit some hesitancy for, and the unused will land on the "ship off to 3rd world" pile. Hopefully not too late.

Maybe some very good news, I had this conversation a while back.

People who've had COVID-19 might only need to get vaccinated once, studies suggest
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/hea ... 550055001/

Marylandolorian wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 1:51 pm Maybe some very good news, I had this conversation a while back.

People who've had COVID-19 might only need to get vaccinated once, studies suggest
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/hea ... 550055001/

Which would be reasonably in line with what you might expect. The challenge would be to identify with certainty who has already had it

As an aside, 535k doses delivered yesterday

20 million jabs. Winning.

Saint wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:52 pm As an aside, 535k doses delivered yesterday

Supply improving again?

My wife and I had our Pfizer vaccine shots today. So far no reaction. And the follow ups are scheduled for three weeks time.

Fangle wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 9:32 pm My wife and I had our Pfizer vaccine shots today. So far no reaction. And the follow ups are scheduled for three weeks time.

I only half caught the story, but I saw the Pfizer CEO saying this week that their jab was proving extremely effective against new variants, too

Raggs wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 9:07 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:52 pm As an aside, 535k doses delivered yesterday

Supply improving again?

Looking that way

Very nice of Romania, I'm completely oblivious as to the political and socio-economics of Moldova. Maybe the EU could give some of theirs after the screwed by criticising it to make themselves look marginally less incompetent.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... ce=twitter

Dinsdale Piranha wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:18 pm

robmatic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:20 pm

Lemoentjie wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:08 pm The main problem with sorting by jobs is it can be hard to check who actually works where.

In a small country with good social cohesion (Iceland) it's definitely possible, but in SA or USA or UK it can be very difficult. And because a large minority people are scumbags, they will lie about their job so they can skip the normal order of vaccinations.

You can almost guarantee that whatever the sector, it would be the folk in offices with relatively little risk or exposure to the public who would be getting vaccinated first.

A friend works for a large defence contractor in the UK. Apparently a few staff were agitating to be declared 'critical workers' which technically defence companies can do. The company, to its credit, said they weren't critical as they are just regular office staff.

What company?

https://www.ft.com/content/e1eddd2f-cb0 ... 83810fae8d

Interesting article?

Cant get through the FT paywall but have read that a few days ago.

Not sure really - difference between England and Scotland less than variation between worst and best English region with same or greater pops - to put it another way if Scotland was recorded as an English region it would be a well performing (2nd best) but not exceptional one. The second point is the new variant (which is thought to have come from a single person) really hammered England in particular. Anyway NI appears to be the best performing UK nation so thats surely the model?

My basic analysis is their is a fag paper between policy in different parts of the UK but that the timing was better for Scotland and NI (earlier in the cycle).

Secondly seems to be repeating the error Devi Shridar et al made in the summer in claiming the virus was eliminated in the summer which was based on ignoring deaths recorded every day by NRS. It clear (and has being admitted) that the SGs epidemiological modelling was significantly underestimated the prevalence of COVID-19 in Scotland over the summer.

Prof Woolhouse had some interesting thoughts on this : https://inews.co.uk/news/scotland/scotl ... ser-887986

Saint wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 9:46 pm

Raggs wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 9:07 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:52 pm As an aside, 535k doses delivered yesterday

Supply improving again?

Looking that way

Only 430k doses delivered yesterday, so supply still seems to be an issue. We need to hit around twice the current daily average to hit the long term targets

Saint wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 5:34 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 9:46 pm

Raggs wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 9:07 pm

Supply improving again?

Looking that way

Only 430k doses delivered yesterday, so supply still seems to be an issue. We need to hit around twice the current daily average to hit the long term targets

The official targets till look like being hit with ease:



Unless you referring to the mooted idea that all adults with have at least one dose by May?

The next two weeks are supposed to see a massive increase in supply so I would expect the daily average to shoot up.

tc27 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:27 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 5:34 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 9:46 pm

Looking that way

Only 430k doses delivered yesterday, so supply still seems to be an issue. We need to hit around twice the current daily average to hit the long term targets

The official targets till look like being hit with ease:



Unless you referring to the mooted idea that all adults with have at least one dose by May?

The next two weeks are supposed to see a massive increase in supply so I would expect the daily average to shoot up.

Those look like the very original targets, which assumed 2 million doses per day. Obviously we're ahead of that stilk, but the revised target was to be a long way ahead of that.

Pretty good improvement in numbers today, lowest since the end of Sept. Hope we see similar improvements over the next 8 days, prior to the kids going back to school on the 8th March. The benefits of the vaccine programme should, increasingly, be kicking in by then, to help compensate for the increased mixing.

Ovals wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:25 pm Pretty good improvement in numbers today, lowest since the end of Sept. Hope we see similar improvements over the next 8 days, prior to the kids going back to school on the 8th March. The benefits of the vaccine programme should, increasingly, be kicking in by then, to help compensate for the increased mixing.

Cases in my area have halved in a week. Just in time for schools to drive it up again no doubt. Having said that, a load of my friends have been vaccinated in the last week - all mid 50s - so that's progressing well.

Well If the schools don't go back next week I'm going to murder someone, so we'll at least avoid that death if all goes to plan.

Brazil variant is here just in time for the first lockdown easing.

The unidentified England case is not linked to five other UK cases.

Three of those cases are Scottish residents who flew to Aberdeen from Brazil via Paris and London, the Scottish government said.

Holyrood said the three people tested positive while self-isolating. Other passengers who were on the same flight to Aberdeen are now being contacted.

The other two cases in England are from the same household in South Gloucestershire after someone returned from Brazil on 10 February - five days before the government's hotel quarantine rule came into force.

Two other people in the same household have also since tested positive for Covid - but tests are still ongoing to check if it is the same variant, so they are not included in the overall UK total of six.

Obviously the need to allow people to fly in from Brazil in February was more important than attempting to keep the variant out.

tc27 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:53 am Brazil variant is here just in time for the first lockdown easing.

The unidentified England case is not linked to five other UK cases.

Three of those cases are Scottish residents who flew to Aberdeen from Brazil via Paris and London, the Scottish government said.

Holyrood said the three people tested positive while self-isolating. Other passengers who were on the same flight to Aberdeen are now being contacted.

The other two cases in England are from the same household in South Gloucestershire after someone returned from Brazil on 10 February - five days before the government's hotel quarantine rule came into force.

Two other people in the same household have also since tested positive for Covid - but tests are still ongoing to check if it is the same variant, so they are not included in the overall UK total of six.

Obviously the need to allow people to fly in from Brazil in February was more important than attempting to keep the variant out.

Some people have also avoided being "tagged as flying in from Brazil" by going Rio - JFK - Heathrow. They bragged about it on Twitter.
Someone else suspected they had Covid, travelled anyway, landed in UK, had a test and then gave false address info, so UK Police can't find them.

The border control in the UK is a fucking farce!

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:13 am

tc27 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:53 am Brazil variant is here just in time for the first lockdown easing.

The unidentified England case is not linked to five other UK cases.

Three of those cases are Scottish residents who flew to Aberdeen from Brazil via Paris and London, the Scottish government said.

Holyrood said the three people tested positive while self-isolating. Other passengers who were on the same flight to Aberdeen are now being contacted.

The other two cases in England are from the same household in South Gloucestershire after someone returned from Brazil on 10 February - five days before the government's hotel quarantine rule came into force.

Two other people in the same household have also since tested positive for Covid - but tests are still ongoing to check if it is the same variant, so they are not included in the overall UK total of six.

Obviously the need to allow people to fly in from Brazil in February was more important than attempting to keep the variant out.

Some people have also avoided being "tagged as flying in from Brazil" by going Rio - JFK - Heathrow. They bragged about it on Twitter.
Someone else suspected they had Covid, travelled anyway, landed in UK, had a test and then gave false address info, so UK Police can't find them.

The border control in the UK is a fucking farce!

So who is correct?
The politicians

Zahawi rejected claims the government had dithered when it came to imposing hotel quarantine for arrivals from high-risk countries. He said:
I would say to you that the border controls that we have are pretty stringent. Even countries that had hotel quarantine, like Australia, still have to deal with the variants actually challenging them in the same way they challenge us.

Or the scientists?

Dr Deepti Gurdasani, an epidemiologist at Queen Mary University of London, told BBC Breakfast this morning that the discovery of the P1 Brazil variant in England highlighted the “failures in quarantine policy”. She said:
Sage has advised that, unless we had a comprehensive, managed quarantine policy at our borders, something like this would happen. But unfortunately it’s something that we’ve been quite complacent about; now we’re just seeing the consequences of that.

Just in case UK posters are not aware anyone over 60 should now be able to get an appointment and you don't need to wait to be asked:

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavir ... ccination/

tc27 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:46 am Just in case UK posters are not aware anyone over 60 should now be able to get an appointment and you don't need to wait to be asked:

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavir ... ccination/

Yep! Booked my wife an appointment for this Thursday. Plenty of dates available.

SaintK wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:32 am
So who is correct?
The politicians

About once a decade....

More people died from Covid each day in UK in January than did in the last 14 months in Australia. Same issues says Mr Zahawi.....