Stop voting for fucking Tories

[petej]

Blah, blah blah

To me this just says you are easily distracted and can't filter between bullshit and bigger concerns. Big concerns (in no particular order):
Climate change,
Ukraine War,
Brexit and its fallout,
Cost of living,
Housing,
Falling living standards,
Etc....

Bullshit:
The writings of an old columnist regurgitating identity bollocks and Twitter rubbish for column inches.

Conclusion: Poster is not a serious person and easily distracted.

Sorry I forgot to add that the only reason we are talking about "Identity Bollocks" is because Jolyon Maugham, the Patron Saint of Wokeness decided to stick his 2 left feet in.

https://www.thenational.scot/news/20267 ... eet-sunak/

All this row has shown is that the left "white saviours" talk the talk regarding diversity whilst the right walk the walk.

A QC has a silly tweet is not serious politics. Does create an opportunity for numerous columnists to write some rubbish.

Glad it distracts you though.

[sefton]

She’s just plain incompetent, anybody voting for her is either an ideologue or on the scrumpy big time.

She needs to read the riot act to the Civil Service Blob and put the ECHR back in its box.

She couldn’t even find a box, throwing out red meat for the Conservative members whilst having a track record for never successfully delivering is not a strategy for leading the country out of the mess it is in, it’s just going to lead to more wedge issues to get headlines from the Mail and the Express.

[Insane_Homer]

[Tichtheid]

The reason that Patel is a bully and spends her working day screaming at civil servants who are experts in their fields is that she is utterly incompetent and so far out of her depth that the surface is about twelve feet above her head.

There are high profile MPs who are actually competent, even if their politics are loathsome. Gove is one of those, or so I'm led to believe.

[ia801310]

The reason that Patel is a bully and spends her working day screaming at civil servants who are experts in their fields is that she is utterly incompetent and so far out of her depth that the surface is about twelve feet above her head.

There are high profile MPs who are actually competent, even if their politics are loathsome. Gove is one of those, or so I'm led to believe.

I don't think it matters who is elected, the Rwanda plan will happen

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... tions.html

[sockwithaticket]

She’s just plain incompetent, anybody voting for her is either an ideologue or on the scrumpy big time.

She needs to read the riot act to the Civil Service Blob and put the ECHR back in its box.

[Insane_Homer]

[petej]

The reason that Patel is a bully and spends her working day screaming at civil servants who are experts in their fields is that she is utterly incompetent and so far out of her depth that the surface is about twelve feet above her head.

There are high profile MPs who are actually competent, even if their politics are loathsome. Gove is one of those, or so I'm led to believe.

I don't think it matters who is elected, the Rwanda plan will happen

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... tions.html

I expect they will all say that and that they will break the NIP. They have to appeal to the Tory party members not the general public at this point. This changes once the leader is selected.

[tabascoboy]

Well I suppose it gives plenty of time to find out exactly why none of the contenders are fit for office

New prime minister expected to be announced in September
Sir Graham Brady says the result of the leadership election will be announced on Monday 5 September.

[Slick]

Patel “ally” admits sending round dossier on Sunak

[Ovals]

The reason that Patel is a bully and spends her working day screaming at civil servants who are experts in their fields is that she is utterly incompetent and so far out of her depth that the surface is about twelve feet above her head.

There are high profile MPs who are actually competent, even if their politics are loathsome. Gove is one of those, or so I'm led to believe.

I don't think it matters who is elected, the Rwanda plan will happen

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... tions.html

And will prove to be expensive, and an utter waste of time.

[C69]

She’s just plain incompetent, anybody voting for her is either an ideologue or on the scrumpy big time.

She needs to read the riot act to the Civil Service Blob and put the ECHR back in its box.

I may be wrong but I think he is that mdaclarke chap that I remember from PR.
UKIPPER/BNP Brexiter type antiimmigration South African in England.

[ia801310]

She needs to read the riot act to the Civil Service Blob and put the ECHR back in its box.

I may be wrong but I think he is that mdaclarke chap that I remember from PR.
UKIPPER/BNP Brexiter type antiimmigration South African in England.

Are immigrants not allowed to have opinions? I have been entitled to British citizenship since birth.

I have never voted UKIP or BNP

I did vote Lib Dem once. God knows why!!

[Hal Jordan]

It's a troll. His Patel bit proved that. Never go full Priti

Not even with Johnson's clap ridden johnson.

[Camroc2]

The reason that Patel is a bully and spends her working day screaming at civil servants who are experts in their fields is that she is utterly incompetent and so far out of her depth that the surface is about twelve feet above her head.

There are high profile MPs who are actually competent, even if their politics are loathsome. Gove is one of those, or so I'm led to believe.

I don't think it matters who is elected, the Rwanda plan will happen

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... tions.html

I expect they will all say that and that they will break the NIP. They have to appeal to the Tory party members not the general public at this point. This changes once the leader is selected.

There are a number of problems with scuttle the NIP act.

Firstly, do you want a trade war with the EU coming up to an election ?

Whilst wrapping the flag around you might seem a good policy, serious food shortages, unemployment, and rising inflation may not be a good thing.

Secondly, if the EU decide simply to declare the entire leaving agreement void, in addition to the trade chaos, Labour will (should) ask the question why did the Tories waste 5 years negotiating one, if they're prepared to so casually throw it away? What's the reasoning there?

[fishfoodie]

What's the reasoning there?

To get the job I need the support of the majority of MPs.

The Majority of MPs believe in Brexit,

To get the job I want I must pretend that Brexit was a good idea.

The Majority of MPs accepted the Bumblecunts lies, even though they were obviously lies.

The Majority of MPs are cretins.

I will fool the majority of MPs if I pretend that we hold all the cards, etc, etc


....

There's no reasoning, no logic, just a bunch of cunts pretending* to believe in the dogma, so that they can get the idiots to vote for them

* The cabbages from the ERG may believe the dogma, but that just makes them even less suitable for the job

[petej]

I don't think it matters who is elected, the Rwanda plan will happen

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... tions.html

I expect they will all say that and that they will break the NIP. They have to appeal to the Tory party members not the general public at this point. This changes once the leader is selected.

There are a number of problems with scuttle the NIP act.

Firstly, do you want a trade war with the EU coming up to an election ?

Whilst wrapping the flag around you might seem a good policy, serious food shortages, unemployment, and rising inflation may not be a good thing.

Secondly, if the EU decide simply to declare the entire leaving agreement void, in addition to the trade chaos, Labour will (should) ask the question why did the Tories waste 5 years negotiating one, if they're prepared to so casually throw it away? What's the reasoning there?

It would be very dumb to actually do it but the Tory leadership candidates will likely to have to say these things if they want to win over Tory party members and MP's. I would recommend ignoring this circus freak show until it is decided.

[Ovals]

I expect they will all say that and that they will break the NIP. They have to appeal to the Tory party members not the general public at this point. This changes once the leader is selected.

There are a number of problems with scuttle the NIP act.

Firstly, do you want a trade war with the EU coming up to an election ?

Whilst wrapping the flag around you might seem a good policy, serious food shortages, unemployment, and rising inflation may not be a good thing.

Secondly, if the EU decide simply to declare the entire leaving agreement void, in addition to the trade chaos, Labour will (should) ask the question why did the Tories waste 5 years negotiating one, if they're prepared to so casually throw it away? What's the reasoning there?

It would be very dumb to actually do it but the Tory leadership candidates will likely to have to say these things if they want to win over Tory party members and MP's. I would recommend ignoring this circus freak show until it is decided.

It's also a child like negotiating ploy - However, the best negotiators in the world are little kids - they aren't sophisticated but they've worn many a rational adult into giving in !!

[Tichtheid]

From the the so-called Uber Files, I see that from the current runners and riders Javid and Patel have been named as taking part in undeclared meetings with Uber when the tech company was lobbying for entry into the London taxi market.

Patel has, of course, you bet our arse, blamed civil servants for not recording the meeting.

Never, ever, take responsibility, it worked for Johnson, up to a point.

[Slick]

There are a number of problems with scuttle the NIP act.

Firstly, do you want a trade war with the EU coming up to an election ?

Whilst wrapping the flag around you might seem a good policy, serious food shortages, unemployment, and rising inflation may not be a good thing.

Secondly, if the EU decide simply to declare the entire leaving agreement void, in addition to the trade chaos, Labour will (should) ask the question why did the Tories waste 5 years negotiating one, if they're prepared to so casually throw it away? What's the reasoning there?

It would be very dumb to actually do it but the Tory leadership candidates will likely to have to say these things if they want to win over Tory party members and MP's. I would recommend ignoring this circus freak show until it is decided.

It's also a child like negotiating ploy - However, the best negotiators in the world are little kids - they aren't sophisticated but they've worn many a rational adult into giving in !!

Staring at all the mini Eiffel Towers we now own after our trip to Paris yesterday

[Margin__Walker]

BBC not playing the team Britain ball running this story
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-62083196

Read that this morning.

Paints a fairly damning picture. Wagons being circled etc, but it's going to be a difficult one for them to brush under the carpet now.

[Margin__Walker]

BBC not playing the team Britain ball running this story
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-62083196

Read that this morning.

Paints a fairly damning picture. Wagons being circled etc, but it's going to be a difficult one for them to brush under the carpet now.

You'd almost rather it was a kill list than just killing random farmers

Meh, nothing to see here.

[Tichtheid]

BBC not playing the team Britain ball running this story
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-62083196

Read that this morning.

Paints a fairly damning picture. Wagons being circled etc, but it's going to be a difficult one for them to brush under the carpet now.

There was something that seemed to come out of the blue at one of the PMQ's last week, the one where Johnson eventually got the Spanish Archer, a back bench MP stood up and spoke about, well basically it boiled down to immunity from prosecution for troops, and it has been talked about a couple of times since in the jostling for position in the leadership race.

This story must have been known.

[Margin__Walker]

All the replies I can see blame the BBC for running the story. Amazing really

Yeah, that's Twitter for you. Although you'll always have that section of society that thinks to be patriotic you have to blindly defend military institutions. You can be supportive of the military, whilst still demanding some accountability and transparency when things like this emerge.

[Margin__Walker]

There was something that seemed to come out of the blue at one of the PMQ's last week, the one where Johnson eventually got the Spanish Archer, a back bench MP stood up and spoke about, well basically it boiled down to immunity from prosecution for troops, and it has been talked about a couple of times since in the jostling for position in the leadership race.

This story must have been known.

Yeah, assume this has been rumbling on for a while behind the scenes.

[Biffer]

All the replies I can see blame the BBC for running the story. Amazing really

Yeah, that's Twitter for you. Although you'll always have that section of society that thinks to be patriotic you have to blindly defend military institutions. You can be supportive of the military, whilst still demanding some accountability and transparency when things like this emerge.

Historic memory in UK society - if they accept the army can do wrong things now they will have to re examine the past and look at all the massacres / genocides in the name of empire, and have to re-evaluate whether or not it was such a good thing.

[I like neeps]

Is anyone genuinely surprised the special forces of the US, UK, and Australia were running around shooting any fighting age male with impunity and then their senior commanders covered it up and if it gets bad enough the government white washes it? There is no morality in war, never has been.

[Paddington Bear]

Is anyone genuinely surprised the special forces of the US, UK, and Australia were running around shooting any fighting age male with impunity and then their senior commanders covered it up and if it gets bad enough the government white washes it? There is no morality in war, never has been.

No, the only surprise is that it took so long to come out. There's very few cases anywhere where you send in the troops and something like this doesn't happen.

[tc27]

Euro>Dollar parity right now.

I don't think this a signal of doom for the EZ economy (mostly just the dollar strengthening) but I do know people would be going f*cking nuts if this was the £.

[ia801310]

Is anyone genuinely surprised the special forces of the US, UK, and Australia were running around shooting any fighting age male with impunity and then their senior commanders covered it up and if it gets bad enough the government white washes it? There is no morality in war, never has been.

No, the only surprise is that it took so long to come out. There's very few cases anywhere where you send in the troops and something like this doesn't happen.

Will be interesting to see if Labour make a big thing if it. I think they got pretty burnt by the Phil Shiner saga.

[Paddington Bear]

Euro>Dollar parity right now.

I don't think this a signal of doom for the EZ economy (mostly just the dollar strengthening) but I do know people would be going f*cking nuts if this was the £.

The German economy really does look to be in the shit, wonder if some Southern Europeans will try and stick a knife in.

[SaintK]

So Raab comes out for Sunak and Rees-Mogg and Dorries come out for Truss who is now firmly positioned as the stop Sunak candidate.
With friends like that.................................................................etc

[fishfoodie]

So Raab comes out for Sunak and Rees-Mogg and Dorries come out for Truss who is now firmly positioned as the stop Sunak candidate.
With friends like that.................................................................etc

Three people who'll never get near another Cabinet .... unless they back the winning horse, & pledge their undying loyalty

[tabascoboy]

[fishfoodie]

Beeb reporting that Shapps has pulled out... probably after discovering he wouldn't even scrape up enough MPs to get to even the 1st stage

[I like neeps]

Is anyone genuinely surprised the special forces of the US, UK, and Australia were running around shooting any fighting age male with impunity and then their senior commanders covered it up and if it gets bad enough the government white washes it? There is no morality in war, never has been.

No, the only surprise is that it took so long to come out. There's very few cases anywhere where you send in the troops and something like this doesn't happen.

Will be interesting to see if Labour make a big thing if it. I think they got pretty burnt by the Phil Shiner saga.

Politically it doesn't make sense to. Nobody in the UK will give you credit for locking up British soldiers even if they were going around murdering people. And Starmer made it a pledge to end illegal wars and strengthen human rights abroad so I'm sure he'll have no interest as he doesn't much enjoy keeping to his leadership election promises.

[I like neeps]

Euro>Dollar parity right now.

I don't think this a signal of doom for the EZ economy (mostly just the dollar strengthening) but I do know people would be going f*cking nuts if this was the £.

The German economy really does look to be in the shit, wonder if some Southern Europeans will try and stick a knife in.

Southern Europe is no better. That debt and borrowing with rising interest rates? Oh dear. If the ruskis do continue turning off the taps the winter is going to be very interesting in the EU.

[_Os_]

I've made a list of where all the crazy head bangers are sending their votes (confirmed ERG members or Spartans). Out of the candidates, Braverman/Javid/Mordaunt/Patel are confirmed to have been ERG members at some point, and Braverman/Patel were both Spartans and voted down May's deal.

Badenoch - 4 (Gove, Tomlinson, Lopez, Rowley)
Braverman - 5 (Baker, Hollobone, Lewis, Jones, Smith, Swayne)
Hunt 2 (Djanogly, Kawczynski)
Javid - 2 (Latham, Wood)
Mordaunt - 1 (Leadsom)
Patel - no declared supporters.
Truss - 6 (Coffey, Cleverly, Doyle-Price, Fysh, Jayawardena, Shelbrooke)
Tugendhat - 1 (Morris)
Shapps - 1 (Courts)
Sunak - 2 (Afolami, Fox)
Tugendhat - 1 (Trevelyan)
Zahawi - 2 (Gullis, Lewis)

Considering the amount who have declared for Sunak (38)/Mordaunt (23)/Tugendhat (21) they have very low numbers from the head banger pool, they're the top 3 on declarations of support but only have 4 head bangers between them. Sunak's talk of "ending the fairy tales" (in a party that runs on them) seems about trying to knock out Hunt/Tugendhat and maybe also Javid/Mordaunt, leaving their supporters with nowhere else to go but Sunak.

Truss (17) is leading the head banger count and is the fourth most supported candidate so far. But the appearance of Braverman (12) and now also Badenoch (15) and Patel, is probably about a lot of head bangers not wanting Truss to be their candidate. The head banger count relative to their total support tells the story, for each of them a third to half their declared support is from the head bangers. It's a bit of a lottery which candidate most of them will settle on, I think Truss implodes, and one of Mordaunt/Braverman/Patel/Badenoch (I'm guessing they dislike Javid as he's always been an option) consolidates all this support.

Tory members then pick between probably Sunak who "ends the fairy tales" by continuing the current Brexit policy, or someone nuts and beholden to the crazies.

[_Os_]

So Raab comes out for Sunak and Rees-Mogg and Dorries come out for Truss who is now firmly positioned as the stop Sunak candidate.
With friends like that.................................................................etc

Ah fuck, I've made a rod for my own starting the head banger list.

Also now suddenly Truss isn't imploding.

[Paddington Bear]

Euro>Dollar parity right now.

I don't think this a signal of doom for the EZ economy (mostly just the dollar strengthening) but I do know people would be going f*cking nuts if this was the £.

The German economy really does look to be in the shit, wonder if some Southern Europeans will try and stick a knife in.

Southern Europe is no better. That debt and borrowing with rising interest rates? Oh dear. If the ruskis do continue turning off the taps the winter is going to be very interesting in the EU.

This is what I meant - Cliffe is of course quite a Germanophile.