NPR

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:17 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:52 pm

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:47 pm Something I've never seen before in the LI v Edinburgh game earlier. Scuffle off the ball was looked at by the TMO and Creevy shown a yellow card for a hand to the face. He complained so much about what had happened before and the ref actually told the TMO to look at it again.


At which point he unearthed pictures of Creevy headbutting an Edinburgh player and he was red carded instead.

And still Ed contrived to lose.....

I didn't see the game but I'm told the ref bottled it at the last scrum in front of LI's posts on 80 mins, LI front row folded but got the penalty.

Shit happens.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:35 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:28 pm Bristol are going well tonight.

When Radradra is playing like this you have to think everyone needs a Semi,

ahem

Don't read too much into that. Hard to fathom how Quesda still has a job at Paris. Highest budget in T14 I think and been playing like drains for 2 years. Lumpy recently got the top award with Sopaga as the "biggest flops" this season to date. In a relegation battle when they field their 1st team. This is something less than that and it's clear those on the pitch aren't even trying.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:28 pm Bristol are going well tonight.

When Radradra is playing like this you have to think everyone needs a Semi,

ahem

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:35 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:17 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:52 pm

And still Ed contrived to lose.....

I didn't see the game but I'm told the ref bottled it at the last scrum in front of LI's posts on 80 mins, LI front row folded but got the penalty.

Shit happens.

Swings and roundabouts. LI under slightly more pressure, but first movement down was from the Edinburgh LH. Could have been collapsing from Ed or hinging from LI.

Jamie Ritchie got away with an upright head on head tackle on Rogerson that drew blood earlier. Apparently looked at by the TMO. Not sure what was said as they were speaking Italian, but amazed he got away with it.

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:33 pm I see flashes from Radradra, but overall he's overhyped.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:59 pm

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:33 pm I see flashes from Radradra, but overall he's overhyped.

Not as much as Sanchez.

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:35 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:17 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:52 pm

And still Ed contrived to lose.....

I didn't see the game but I'm told the ref bottled it at the last scrum in front of LI's posts on 80 mins, LI front row folded but got the penalty.

Shit happens.

Swings and roundabouts. LI under slightly more pressure, but first movement down was from the Edinburgh LH. Could have been collapsing from Ed or hinging from LI.

Jamie Ritchie got away with an upright head on head tackle on Rogerson that drew blood earlier. Apparently looked at by the TMO. Not sure what was said as they were speaking Italian, but amazed he got away with it.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:25 pm I think sometimes because players like Radradra or Russell don't play every single minute of every single game as the best player that has ever donned a rugby shirt, they get the "over-hyped" tag thrown at them.

In a team sport that is impossible anyway, in solo sports peak Michael Johnson, Ed Moses or Usain Bolt or people of that ilk can be that person, and part of that is because they don't have to rely on others.

On the one hand you have players like Brad Barritt, the beating heart of a team, players who are consistent week in week out over what seems like decades. They never let you down, you can build an entire team around them because you know what they will bring to the table. They set the culture, they lead by example, they are the epitome of what it is to be a professional rugby player.

Radradra is another type of player altogether. You hear about some players having higher ceilings than others, and certainly Radradra can do things that other players can only really dream about.

There is a place for both players in a good team, one facilitates the other, but that is no insult to the Brad Barritts, on the contrary, the genius can't do the genius things without the players around him.

For me Radradra is a bit like Parisse, a lot is expected of these guys.

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:41 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:25 pm I think sometimes because players like Radradra or Russell don't play every single minute of every single game as the best player that has ever donned a rugby shirt, they get the "over-hyped" tag thrown at them.

In a team sport that is impossible anyway, in solo sports peak Michael Johnson, Ed Moses or Usain Bolt or people of that ilk can be that person, and part of that is because they don't have to rely on others.

On the one hand you have players like Brad Barritt, the beating heart of a team, players who are consistent week in week out over what seems like decades. They never let you down, you can build an entire team around them because you know what they will bring to the table. They set the culture, they lead by example, they are the epitome of what it is to be a professional rugby player.

Radradra is another type of player altogether. You hear about some players having higher ceilings than others, and certainly Radradra can do things that other players can only really dream about.

There is a place for both players in a good team, one facilitates the other, but that is no insult to the Brad Barritts, on the contrary, the genius can't do the genius things without the players around him.

For me Radradra is a bit like Parisse, a lot is expected of these guys.

Leave that flowery shit to the hacks in the broadsheets who have to knock out 1500 words a week.

Radradra isn't anywhere near the value of a player like Barritt and it has nothing to do with ceilings either. Don't get me wrong, Radradra could be that valuable but at the moment he's nowhere near. He just makes too many errors, often unforced errors.

If I was a DoR, I'd be interested in Purdey.

Biffer wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:31 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 6:08 pm

Happyhooker wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 3:14 pm
I think you've asked me this before, but no, not off hand, but then I did leave when I was 18 and have an appalling memory for names.

Ahh OK, sorry. Just i thought I saw him in the crowd but I also thought he was dead

Are we all just letting them NG this pass without comment

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:56 pm

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:41 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:25 pm I think sometimes because players like Radradra or Russell don't play every single minute of every single game as the best player that has ever donned a rugby shirt, they get the "over-hyped" tag thrown at them.

In a team sport that is impossible anyway, in solo sports peak Michael Johnson, Ed Moses or Usain Bolt or people of that ilk can be that person, and part of that is because they don't have to rely on others.

On the one hand you have players like Brad Barritt, the beating heart of a team, players who are consistent week in week out over what seems like decades. They never let you down, you can build an entire team around them because you know what they will bring to the table. They set the culture, they lead by example, they are the epitome of what it is to be a professional rugby player.

Radradra is another type of player altogether. You hear about some players having higher ceilings than others, and certainly Radradra can do things that other players can only really dream about.

There is a place for both players in a good team, one facilitates the other, but that is no insult to the Brad Barritts, on the contrary, the genius can't do the genius things without the players around him.

For me Radradra is a bit like Parisse, a lot is expected of these guys.

Leave that flowery shit to the hacks in the broadsheets who have to knock out 1500 words a week.

Radradra isn't anywhere near the value of a player like Barritt and it has nothing to do with ceilings either. Don't get me wrong, Radradra could be that valuable but at the moment he's nowhere near. He just makes too many errors, often unforced errors.

If I was a DoR, I'd be interested in Purdey.

You've no poetry in you whatsoever

There is beauty in sport, you seem to miss that

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:25 pm I think sometimes because players like Radradra or Russell don't play every single minute of every single game as the best player that has ever donned a rugby shirt, they get the "over-hyped" tag thrown at them.

In a team sport that is impossible anyway, in solo sports peak Michael Johnson, Ed Moses or Usain Bolt or people of that ilk can be that person, and part of that is because they don't have to rely on others.

On the one hand you have players like Brad Barritt, the beating heart of a team, players who are consistent week in week out over what seems like decades. They never let you down, you can build an entire team around them because you know what they will bring to the table. They set the culture, they lead by example, they are the epitome of what it is to be a professional rugby player.

Radradra is another type of player altogether. You hear about some players having higher ceilings than others, and certainly Radradra can do things that other players can only really dream about.

There is a place for both players in a good team, one facilitates the other, but that is no insult to the Brad Barritts, on the contrary, the genius can't do the genius things without the players around him.

For me Radradra is a bit like Parisse, a lot is expected of these guys.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 5:07 pm Fuck off Aki, ought to cop a ban for that. Graceless one eyed pricks

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:21 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:25 pm I think sometimes because players like Radradra or Russell don't play every single minute of every single game as the best player that has ever donned a rugby shirt, they get the "over-hyped" tag thrown at them.

In a team sport that is impossible anyway, in solo sports peak Michael Johnson, Ed Moses or Usain Bolt or people of that ilk can be that person, and part of that is because they don't have to rely on others.

On the one hand you have players like Brad Barritt, the beating heart of a team, players who are consistent week in week out over what seems like decades. They never let you down, you can build an entire team around them because you know what they will bring to the table. They set the culture, they lead by example, they are the epitome of what it is to be a professional rugby player.

Radradra is another type of player altogether. You hear about some players having higher ceilings than others, and certainly Radradra can do things that other players can only really dream about.

There is a place for both players in a good team, one facilitates the other, but that is no insult to the Brad Barritts, on the contrary, the genius can't do the genius things without the players around him.

For me Radradra is a bit like Parisse, a lot is expected of these guys.

Two things can be true. Expectations of someone like Radrada can be higher than of other players and BT can still have managed to go overboard with the hype.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:56 am

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:21 pm

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:25 pm I think sometimes because players like Radradra or Russell don't play every single minute of every single game as the best player that has ever donned a rugby shirt, they get the "over-hyped" tag thrown at them.

In a team sport that is impossible anyway, in solo sports peak Michael Johnson, Ed Moses or Usain Bolt or people of that ilk can be that person, and part of that is because they don't have to rely on others.

On the one hand you have players like Brad Barritt, the beating heart of a team, players who are consistent week in week out over what seems like decades. They never let you down, you can build an entire team around them because you know what they will bring to the table. They set the culture, they lead by example, they are the epitome of what it is to be a professional rugby player.

Radradra is another type of player altogether. You hear about some players having higher ceilings than others, and certainly Radradra can do things that other players can only really dream about.

There is a place for both players in a good team, one facilitates the other, but that is no insult to the Brad Barritts, on the contrary, the genius can't do the genius things without the players around him.

For me Radradra is a bit like Parisse, a lot is expected of these guys.

Two things can be true. Expectations of someone like Radrada can be higher than of other players and BT can still have managed to go overboard with the hype.

Does it come down to those two things being true?

I think that pundits are told to promote interest in the games and in doing so they pick out individual players who are extraordinary, or "box office", however it's an impossible ask for these players to be the best player in the world every single game.

If Russell puts in his best stuff where he nutmegs a defence and fires lightning passes across a blitz, if he kicks to Thomas running in tries, then he is the maestro. If his pack is under pressure and he kicks one out on the full then Russell is overhyped.

I guess what I'm saying I that I prefer the optimism and hope of the good expectation as opposed to the dreary negativism of those who dismiss a player like Radrada as over-hyped.

So what if the "what the actual fuck" moments are only once every couple of games? It's better than a controlled kick to touch any time, imo

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 10:25 pm I think sometimes because players like Radradra or Russell don't play every single minute of every single game as the best player that has ever donned a rugby shirt, they get the "over-hyped" tag thrown at them.

In a team sport that is impossible anyway, in solo sports peak Michael Johnson, Ed Moses or Usain Bolt or people of that ilk can be that person, and part of that is because they don't have to rely on others.

On the one hand you have players like Brad Barritt, the beating heart of a team, players who are consistent week in week out over what seems like decades. They never let you down, you can build an entire team around them because you know what they will bring to the table. They set the culture, they lead by example, they are the epitome of what it is to be a professional rugby player.

Radradra is another type of player altogether. You hear about some players having higher ceilings than others, and certainly Radradra can do things that other players can only really dream about.

There is a place for both players in a good team, one facilitates the other, but that is no insult to the Brad Barritts, on the contrary, the genius can't do the genius things without the players around him.

For me Radradra is a bit like Parisse, a lot is expected of these guys.

Niegs wrote: ↑Sun Jan 16, 2022 5:53 am Watching Bristol v Stade highlights ...

... um, did they steal Quins' idea for a Euro kit, forcing them to go with that ugly moss/khaki thing they've been wearing? This would certainly make for a better one and barely has any hint of Bristol colours.

weegie01 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:04 am

Niegs wrote: ↑Sun Jan 16, 2022 5:53 am Watching Bristol v Stade highlights ...

... um, did they steal Quins' idea for a Euro kit, forcing them to go with that ugly moss/khaki thing they've been wearing? This would certainly make for a better one and barely has any hint of Bristol colours.

Did you watch the Ospreys game? They have a very similar mud coloured strip to Harlequins.

I just do not understand why on earth teams play in such dull strips. I'd love to see the sales figures for them as I'd be surprised if supporters are keen on them, which is from a different supplier.

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:31 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 5:07 pm Fuck off Aki, ought to cop a ban for that. Graceless one eyed pricks

Has apologized in fairness.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:57 pm Right; now I want to see Leinster administer a proper thumping !

If possible, a BP by HT; & Montpellier throwing in the towel at HT to avoid further humiliation.

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:07 pm Montpellier appear to have given up after 3 minutes.