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Raggs wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 2:38 pm
Sunak the UNDECLARED US citizen, former chancellor of the exchequer who's billionaire wife wasn't paying her taxes? Boris is as bent as they come, but the wallpaper doesn't come close to the financial stuff Sunak seems to have got upto.

and I expect he'll be hearing from the IRS sometime soon too.

What I am really interested in is how he has any financial affairs at all in the UK. If he's a US citizen, he'd struggle to even get a bank account if he declared he was a US Citizen. Unless, of course, he lied on all his financial applications. And he'd the first Tory to have done so. NOTTTTTTTTT

Where does it say he’s a US citizen? I think there’s something on the lines of a Green Card makes him liable to US tax in the way that a US citizen would be but that doesn’t make him a citizen. Does it?

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:38 pm

Raggs wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 2:38 pm
Sunak the UNDECLARED US citizen, former chancellor of the exchequer who's billionaire wife wasn't paying her taxes? Boris is as bent as they come, but the wallpaper doesn't come close to the financial stuff Sunak seems to have got upto.

and I expect he'll be hearing from the IRS sometime soon too.

What I am really interested in is how he has any financial affairs at all in the UK. If he's a US citizen, he'd struggle to even get a bank account if he declared he was a US Citizen. Unless, of course, he lied on all his financial applications. And he'd the first Tory to have done so. NOTTTTTTTTT

I imagine he filed his W-2's every year, or he would have had his Green Card taken away, long before he got a chance to return it.

He & his wife are sufficiently wealthy anyway, that he has plenty of legal ways to get US Citizenship, it just may cost them some petty cash.

Rehman Chishti won the argument.

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 1:49 pm Truss, for crying out loud: the "Pork Markets" Prime Minister?

It's "team end the fairy tales (but keep telling some)" Vs "team gormless".

Mordaunt and Truss are quite similar in direction, their programme is auction the UK to the US then drive around in tanks. One of them heads up team gormless the other fails.

Mordaunt is doing well in Conservative Home polling. In the betting Sunak and Mordaunt are neck and neck, Truss a bit further back, the rest have fallen away.

Sunak being a billionaire (one way or another) and PM is just too much conflict of interest, that's a lot of power concentrated into one man. Truss is shameless in a similar way to Johnson. Mordaunt is the best of those three by process of elimination.

Javid has dropped out now.

_Os_ wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:20 pm

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 1:49 pm Truss, for crying out loud: the "Pork Markets" Prime Minister?

It's "team end the fairy tales (but keep telling some)" Vs "team gormless".

Mordaunt and Truss are quite similar in direction, their programme is auction the UK to the US then drive around in tanks. One of them heads up team gormless the other fails.

Mordaunt is doing well in Conservative Home polling. In the betting Sunak and Mordaunt are neck and neck, Truss a bit further back, the rest have fallen away.

Sunak being a billionaire (one way or another) and PM is just too much conflict of interest, that's a lot of power concentrated into one man. Truss is shameless in a similar way to Johnson. Mordaunt is the best of those three by process of elimination.

Javid has dropped out now.

It's the worlds worst beauty contest.

When was the last time any MP, who hadn't held on of the great offices, was anointed PM ?

Just the possibility that the likes of Braverman could become PM should be the kick up the arse the UK needs to put their unwritten Constitution down on paper.

If anyone has read "The Forth Protocol", the reason why the Soviets planned on exploding a nuke, was to blame it on the US, & to do so right before a GE, so that a Soft-Left Labour leader could become PM, & then the Soviets could orchestrate a take-over of the Party by a Hard-Left candidate, & then get rid of all Nuclear weapons, & leave NATO. All without the consent of the British public, & all perfectly legal.

I'm guessing Steve Bannon has read the book !

A good billionaire could be a good pm. Not corruptible on the same level sort of thing.

However, I'd expect such a person not to use the expenses/benefits system MPs get. I have a feeling he does?

GogLais wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:27 pm Isn’t the problem partly/largely the party system? I’m not defending the corrupt ones but if you honestly believe in conservative values and want to do something about it you can only achieve that through the Conservative Party.

I think the party and electoral system are part of the problem.

I would rather team end fairy tales than gormless as it at least keeps things nearer reality. Though can't see Truss being anywhere near as good at bullshitting as johnson.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:28 pm

ia801310 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:23 pm

sefton wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:16 pm She’s just plain incompetent, anybody voting for her is either an ideologue or on the scrumpy big time.

She needs to read the riot act to the Civil Service Blob and put the ECHR back in its box.

She's fortunate the UK was a far more tolerant place for immigrants when her parents arrived. If it were under her ideal regime, they'd have been packed back off on their banana boat to East Africa.

A kinder gentler politics.

What relevance is the colour of her skin? Why raise it as an issue? Are people whose skin isn't white only allowed to hold pre approved political positions?

ia801310 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:25 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:28 pm

ia801310 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:23 pm

She needs to read the riot act to the Civil Service Blob and put the ECHR back in its box.

She's fortunate the UK was a far more tolerant place for immigrants when her parents arrived. If it were under her ideal regime, they'd have been packed back off on their banana boat to East Africa.

A kinder gentler politics.

What relevance is the colour of her skin? Why raise it as an issue? Are people whose skin isn't white only allowed to hold pre approved political positions?

Who mentioned her skin colour?

C69 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:37 pm

ia801310 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:25 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:28 pm

She's fortunate the UK was a far more tolerant place for immigrants when her parents arrived. If it were under her ideal regime, they'd have been packed back off on their banana boat to East Africa.

A kinder gentler politics.

What relevance is the colour of her skin? Why raise it as an issue? Are people whose skin isn't white only allowed to hold pre approved political positions?

Who mentioned her skin colour?

"when her parents arrived. If it were under her ideal regime, they'd have been packed back off on their banana boat to East Africa"

ia801310 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:39 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:37 pm

ia801310 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:25 pm

A kinder gentler politics.

What relevance is the colour of her skin? Why raise it as an issue? Are people whose skin isn't white only allowed to hold pre approved political positions?

Who mentioned her skin colour?

"when her parents arrived. If it were under her ideal regime, they'd have been packed back off on their banana boat to East Africa"

Who mentioned her skin colour?

ia801310 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:39 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:37 pm

ia801310 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:25 pm

A kinder gentler politics.

What relevance is the colour of her skin? Why raise it as an issue? Are people whose skin isn't white only allowed to hold pre approved political positions?

Who mentioned her skin colour?

"when her parents arrived. If it were under her ideal regime, they'd have been packed back off on their banana boat to East Africa"

Nothing there about skin colour?

C69 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:40 pm

ia801310 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:39 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:37 pm

Who mentioned her skin colour?

"when her parents arrived. If it were under her ideal regime, they'd have been packed back off on their banana boat to East Africa"

Who mentioned her skin colour?

Oh I get it!! Racism is acceptable if it is from the left. Makes perfect sense now.

ia801310 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:41 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:40 pm

ia801310 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:39 pm

"when her parents arrived. If it were under her ideal regime, they'd have been packed back off on their banana boat to East Africa"

Who mentioned her skin colour?

Oh I get it!! Racism is acceptable if it is from the left. Makes perfect sense now.

Show me where her skin colour was mentioned.

C69 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:42 pm

ia801310 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:41 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:40 pm
Who mentioned her skin colour?

Oh I get it!! Racism is acceptable if it is from the left. Makes perfect sense now.

Show me where her skin colour was mentioned.

If you are being genuine that you cannot understand the meaning of "when her parents arrived. If it were under her ideal regime, they'd have been packed back off on their banana boat to East Africa"" then you really have been leading a sheltered life.

When was her skin colour mentioned?

C69 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:47 pm When was her skin colour mentioned?

You are just being a Troll.

ia801310 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:48 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:47 pm When was her skin colour mentioned?

You are just being a Troll.

You mentioned or brought up skin colour no one else.
Care to address that point? I like Raggs can't see your point.
You seem to want to bring skin colour into the mix. How very cultuee wars of you.

C69 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:51 pm

ia801310 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:48 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:47 pm When was her skin colour mentioned?

You are just being a Troll.

You mentioned or brought up skin colour no one else.
Care to address that point? I like Raggs can't see your point.
You seem to want to bring skin colour into the mix. How very cultuee wars of you.

I've reported the post for racism. Lets see what the bored moderators think of it.

I can see no other interpretation to the post.

If you can provide another explanation then I'm all ears

C69 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:51 pm

ia801310 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:48 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:47 pm When was her skin colour mentioned?

You are just being a Troll.

You mentioned or brought up skin colour no one else.
Care to address that point? I like Raggs can't see your point.
You seem to want to bring skin colour into the mix. How very cultuee wars of you.

The banana boat thing is a well known racist trope. If you don’t know that you’re either very, very sheltered or deliberately playing dumb.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:45 pm

When was the last time any MP, who hadn't held on of the great offices, was anointed PM ?

David Cameron.

Not the best record to point to.

ia801310 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:45 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:42 pm

ia801310 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:41 pm

Oh I get it!! Racism is acceptable if it is from the left. Makes perfect sense now.

Show me where her skin colour was mentioned.

If you are being genuine that you cannot understand the meaning of "when her parents arrived. If it were under her ideal regime, they'd have been packed back off on their banana boat to East Africa"" then you really have been leading a sheltered life.

I can see what you're driving at, but Patel and her family aren't African. They're Bangladeshis who moved to Uganda before coming to the UK, so the banana/black racist connection doesn't really apply.

Besides which banana boat would more likely be a reference to the craft deeply unsuitable for sea crossing, including many inflatables, that lots of migrants use in their attempts to cross the Mediterannean. The sort Patel would quite happily turn around and point back from whence they came.

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:59 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:45 pm

When was the last time any MP, who hadn't held on of the great offices, was anointed PM ?

David Cameron.

Not the best record to point to.

Did Thatcher ever hold great office before becoming PM?

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:57 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:51 pm

ia801310 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:48 pm

You are just being a Troll.

You mentioned or brought up skin colour no one else.
Care to address that point? I like Raggs can't see your point.
You seem to want to bring skin colour into the mix. How very cultuee wars of you.

The banana boat thing is a well known racist trope. If you don’t know that you’re either very, very sheltered or deliberately playing dumb.

Count me very sheltered, could you elaborate?

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:03 pm

ia801310 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:45 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:42 pm
Show me where her skin colour was mentioned.

If you are being genuine that you cannot understand the meaning of "when her parents arrived. If it were under her ideal regime, they'd have been packed back off on their banana boat to East Africa"" then you really have been leading a sheltered life.

I can see what you're driving at, but Patel and her family aren't African. They're Bangladeshis who moved to Uganda before coming to the UK, so the banana/black racist connection doesn't really apply.

Besides which banana boat would more likely be a reference to the craft deeply unsuitable for sea crossing, including many inflatables, that lots of migrants use in their attempts to cross the Mediterannean. The sort Patel would quite happily turn around and point back from whence they came.

EXACTLY

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:04 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:57 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:51 pm

You mentioned or brought up skin colour no one else.
Care to address that point? I like Raggs can't see your point.
You seem to want to bring skin colour into the mix. How very cultuee wars of you.

The banana boat thing is a well known racist trope. If you don’t know that you’re either very, very sheltered or deliberately playing dumb.

Count me very sheltered, could you elaborate?

You know full well what it means as you just explained the meaning in the post above.

You are basically saying that it is OK to be racist if you are left wing.

ia801310 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:03 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:59 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:45 pm

When was the last time any MP, who hadn't held on of the great offices, was anointed PM ?

David Cameron.

Not the best record to point to.

Did Thatcher ever hold great office before becoming PM?

No. Neither did Blair. Or Wilson. Or Heath.

C69 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:05 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:03 pm

ia801310 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:45 pm

If you are being genuine that you cannot understand the meaning of "when her parents arrived. If it were under her ideal regime, they'd have been packed back off on their banana boat to East Africa"" then you really have been leading a sheltered life.

I can see what you're driving at, but Patel and her family aren't African. They're Bangladeshis who moved to Uganda before coming to the UK, so the banana/black racist connection doesn't really apply.

Besides which banana boat would more likely be a reference to the craft deeply unsuitable for sea crossing, including many inflatables, that lots of migrants use in their attempts to cross the Mediterannean. The sort Patel would quite happily turn around and point back from whence they came.

EXACTLY

Is whether Banana boats is a racist trope really the hill you want to fight on?

You may as well be honest and say it is Ok to be racist so long as you are left wing.

ia801310 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:03 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:59 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:45 pm

When was the last time any MP, who hadn't held on of the great offices, was anointed PM ?

David Cameron.

Not the best record to point to.

Did Thatcher ever hold great office before becoming PM?

Wasn’t she Education Secretary in Heath’s Gov’t? I know it’s not a great office.

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:05 pm

ia801310 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:03 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:59 pm

David Cameron.

Not the best record to point to.

Did Thatcher ever hold great office before becoming PM?

No. Neither did Blair. Or Wilson. Or Heath.

I think Wilson and Heath had both been President of the Board of Trade.

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:04 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:57 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:51 pm

You mentioned or brought up skin colour no one else.
Care to address that point? I like Raggs can't see your point.
You seem to want to bring skin colour into the mix. How very cultuee wars of you.

The banana boat thing is a well known racist trope. If you don’t know that you’re either very, very sheltered or deliberately playing dumb.

Count me very sheltered, could you elaborate?

Banana boats were fast ships used to ship bananas from the West Indies to the UK. The term was popularised in the UK in The Banana Boat song sung by Harry Belafonte in the 50s. The term fell into popular use as “came on the banana boat” being a way to describe immigrants who had come from the West Indies, I.e. Afro Caribbeans.

ia801310 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:06 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:05 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:03 pm

I can see what you're driving at, but Patel and her family aren't African. They're Bangladeshis who moved to Uganda before coming to the UK, so the banana/black racist connection doesn't really apply.

Besides which banana boat would more likely be a reference to the craft deeply unsuitable for sea crossing, including many inflatables, that lots of migrants use in their attempts to cross the Mediterannean. The sort Patel would quite happily turn around and point back from whence they came.

EXACTLY

Is whether Banana boats is a racist trope really the hill you want to fight on?

You may as well be honest and say it is Ok to be racist so long as you are left wing.

Where was the post that mentioned skin colour?

C69 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:09 pm

ia801310 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:06 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:05 pm

EXACTLY

Is whether Banana boats is a racist trope really the hill you want to fight on?

You may as well be honest and say it is Ok to be racist so long as you are left wing.

Where was the post that mentioned skin colour?

As indicated before Banana Boat is a racist trope I am confident that you know that and are being a troll, and a racist one at that.

As I said before a kindler, gentler politics.

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:09 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:04 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:57 pm

The banana boat thing is a well known racist trope. If you don’t know that you’re either very, very sheltered or deliberately playing dumb.

Count me very sheltered, could you elaborate?

Banana boats were fast ships used to ship bananas from the West Indies to the UK. The term was popularised in the UK in The Banana Boat song sung by Harry Belafonte in the 50s. The term fell into popular use as “came on the banana boat” being a way to describe immigrants who had come from the West Indies, I.e. Afro Caribbeans.

Hence packed off on the banana boat is black people going back to where they came from.

The defence of ‘oh but that’s a different group of not white people’ is specious, dishonest and quite frankly is the defence of a racist.

ia801310 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:10 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:09 pm

ia801310 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:06 pm

Is whether Banana boats is a racist trope really the hill you want to fight on?

You may as well be honest and say it is Ok to be racist so long as you are left wing.

Where was the post that mentioned skin colour?

As indicated before Banana Boat is a racist trope I am confident that you know that and are being a troll, and a racist one at that.

As I said before a kindler, gentler politics.

Feel free to show me the post about skin colour.
None was mentioned.

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:09 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:04 pm

Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:57 pm

The banana boat thing is a well known racist trope. If you don’t know that you’re either very, very sheltered or deliberately playing dumb.

Count me very sheltered, could you elaborate?

Banana boats were fast ships used to ship bananas from the West Indies to the UK. The term was popularised in the UK in The Banana Boat song sung by Harry Belafonte in the 50s. The term fell into popular use as “came on the banana boat” being a way to describe immigrants who had come from the West Indies, I.e. Afro Caribbeans.

Isn’t it an age thing? I’m familiar with the expression, my sons mightn’t be.

C69 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:11 pm

ia801310 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:10 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:09 pm
Where was the post that mentioned skin colour?

As indicated before Banana Boat is a racist trope I am confident that you know that and are being a troll, and a racist one at that.

As I said before a kindler, gentler politics.

Feel free to show me the post about skin colour.
None was mentioned.

I am no longer prepared to interact with you. I have made my position clear.

ia801310 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:12 pm

C69 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:11 pm

ia801310 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:10 pm

As indicated before Banana Boat is a racist trope I am confident that you know that and are being a troll, and a racist one at that.

As I said before a kindler, gentler politics.

Feel free to show me the post about skin colour.
None was mentioned.

I am no longer prepared to interact with you. I have made my position clear.

Good agreed then that no one posted about her skin colour.

Moving on from that unpleasant experience, who do you guys think will make the final 2.

My money is on Sunk and Badenoch.