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Watch the C4 debate.

Sunak was best
Kemi second
Tom third
Mordaunt fourth
Truss worst (by a distance)


Tom seems to be most popular with people who will never vote Tory in a million billion years, so their opinion doesn't matter as they will never vote Tory.

Imagine wanting a leader who can reach out past the convinced core.

ia801310 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 8:58 pm Watch the C4 debate.

Sunak was best
Kemi second
Tom third
Mordaunt fourth
Truss worst (by a distance)


Tom seems to be most popular with people who will never vote Tory in a million billion years, so their opinion doesn't matter as they will never vote Tory.

I'd say he went down okay with Tory voters



But yeah, won't get past the MP/Member filter. Which is fine by me.

sefton wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 9:02 pm Imagine wanting a leader who can reach out past the convinced core.

In politics there are 3 groups of people.

1. People will always vote for your party, Need to make sure they are kept content but not a priority
2. Floating voters. These are your number 1 priority.
3. People who will never vote for you. They can be ignored as whatever you do you will never get their vote.

Tom fans seem to be in category 3.

ia801310 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 9:07 pm

sefton wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 9:02 pm Imagine wanting a leader who can reach out past the convinced core.

In politics there are 3 groups of people.

1. People will always vote for your party, Need to make sure they are kept content but not a priority
2. Floating voters. These are your number 1 priority.
3. People who will never vote for you. They can be ignored as whatever you do you will never get their vote.

Tom fans seem to be in category 3.

The 29% of Tory voters?

ia801310 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 9:07 pm

sefton wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 9:02 pm Imagine wanting a leader who can reach out past the convinced core.

In politics there are 3 groups of people.

1. People will always vote for your party, Need to make sure they are kept content but not a priority
2. Floating voters. These are your number 1 priority.
3. People who will never vote for you. They can be ignored as whatever you do you will never get their vote.

Tom fans seem to be in category 3.

The quick reaction poll above appears to prove you wrong.

ia801310 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 9:07 pm

sefton wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 9:02 pm Imagine wanting a leader who can reach out past the convinced core.

In politics there are 3 groups of people.

1. People will always vote for your party, Need to make sure they are kept content but not a priority
2. Floating voters. These are your number 1 priority.
3. People who will never vote for you. They can be ignored as whatever you do you will never get their vote.

Tom fans seem to be in category 3.

The Opinium poll seems to suggest he went down well with swing voters.

I think Sunak will get enough of Tugendhat's votes to get into the last 2. I can't see where Mordaunt will get her extra votes from. Kemi could leapfrog both Truss and Mordaunt.

I can't wait for the Sundays

It's going to be marvelous watching them tear each other apart

ia801310 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 9:43 pm I think Sunak will get enough of Tugendhat's votes to get into the last 2. I can't see where Mordaunt will get her extra votes from. Kemi could leapfrog both Truss and Mordaunt.

Kemi is done, she was ineffective tonight.

ia801310 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 9:43 pm I think Sunak will get enough of Tugendhat's votes to get into the last 2. I can't see where Mordaunt will get her extra votes from. Kemi could leapfrog both Truss and Mordaunt.

Truss must be toast now - but whether Kemi will pick up enough to get ahead of Mordaunt is another matter. At some point the right wingers will have to decide which of the candidates can beat Sunak - because that, more than anything, will become their key motivation now that Truss has no hope. Do they think that Kemi can do it, somehow I doubt it - so they'll need, fairly soon, to start aligning with PM.

This from yesterday's Gruaniad, on several of their writer's take on the choice

Owen Jones: Each of the candidates has their own lethal qualities


Being asked to choose the least worst Tory to run the country is like being confronted with a smorgasbord of bacterial infections and weighing up the different symptoms and – frankly – risk of fatality. Am I seeking a candidate whose policies are less harmful, or one who repels voters most and thus secures Tory defeat? It might be tempting to opt for Liz Truss purely on the basis that her eccentric communication skills will doom her premiership – I’ve watched her incandescent speech at Tory conference about the scandal of Britain’s importing of cheese maybe a hundred times, sometimes just for a mid-afternoon lift – but senior Tories fearing “she might start a nuclear war” is, appropriately, a deterrence.

There’s a problem, too, in defining “Tory moderate”. Was it not David Cameron and George Osborne who imposed crippling austerity on the nation and decimated the welfare state while demonising those who depended on it? Ah, but they were “socially liberal”, we’re told, a reputation resting purely on the introduction of equal marriage, but which airbrushes their scapegoating of migrants, nurtured by Theresa May as home secretary, culminating in the Windrush scandal.

Jeremy Hunt was supposedly such a moderate: tell that to the junior doctors, and look at his nostalgia for austerity or desire to expand the Rwanda scheme. Tom Tugendhat is another: when asked the naughtiest thing he’d ever done, he replied “I invaded a country once”, a contemptuous gag about the murderous criminality of the Iraq war. Penny Mordaunt’s refusal to disown her deceitful claim that Britain could not have vetoed Turkey’s accession to the EU underlines a dishonesty that is integral to modern Toryism. That the Tory Brexiteer Rishi Sunak is portrayed as a “socialist” by his colleagues exposes how extreme the Tory flight to the right has been. As for the other culture warriors standing: it would be like the Spectator’s opinion pages running Britain. And that’s the thing: each has their own particularly lethal qualities, because the peril posed by Toryism isn’t about individuals, it’s institutional. So, with respect to my editors, I’ll leave the choice of severe bacterial infections to somebody else.

Ovals wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 10:30 pm

ia801310 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 9:43 pm I think Sunak will get enough of Tugendhat's votes to get into the last 2. I can't see where Mordaunt will get her extra votes from. Kemi could leapfrog both Truss and Mordaunt.

Truss must be toast now - but whether Kemi will pick up enough to get ahead of Mordaunt is another matter. At some point the right wingers will have to decide which of the candidates can beat Sunak - because that, more than anything, will become their key motivation now that Truss has no hope. Do they think that Kemi can do it, somehow I doubt it - so they'll need, fairly soon, to start aligning with PM.

I'd fucking love to see PM Sunak face down the ERG loons, & tell them that if they don't walk thru the right lobby when the Whips tell them, they'll deselected their arses so fast their heads will spin !

They're paper tigers, & I can't see any of them having the gumption to actually rebel if they know it'll result in them being banished from the mother ship that has tolerated their cancerous presence for far too long.

The weakness of Tory leadership has led to the pathetic set of candidates they have today; & for far too long they've let the Eurosceptic tail, wag the dog.

I think Sunak knows that the UK needs, at the very least, a Norway style deal with the EU, & that's why he has been dead set against the escalation of hostilities with the EU. If he can put them back in their box, & leave the fucked economy at their door, then there can be some rapprochement with the EU.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 10:59 pm

Ovals wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 10:30 pm

ia801310 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 9:43 pm I think Sunak will get enough of Tugendhat's votes to get into the last 2. I can't see where Mordaunt will get her extra votes from. Kemi could leapfrog both Truss and Mordaunt.

Truss must be toast now - but whether Kemi will pick up enough to get ahead of Mordaunt is another matter. At some point the right wingers will have to decide which of the candidates can beat Sunak - because that, more than anything, will become their key motivation now that Truss has no hope. Do they think that Kemi can do it, somehow I doubt it - so they'll need, fairly soon, to start aligning with PM.

I'd fucking love to see PM Sunak face down the ERG loons, & tell them that if they don't walk thru the right lobby when the Whips tell them, they'll deselected their arses so fast their heads will spin !

They're paper tigers, & I can't see any of them having the gumption to actually rebel if they know it'll result in them being banished from the mother ship that has tolerated their cancerous presence for far too long.

The weakness of Tory leadership has led to the pathetic set of candidates they have today; & for far too long they've let the Eurosceptic tail, wag the dog.

I think Sunak knows that the UK needs, at the very least, a Norway style deal with the EU, & that's why he has been dead set against the escalation of hostilities with the EU. If he can put them back in their box, & leave the fucked economy at their door, then there can be some rapprochement with the EU.

Not going to happen. The UK electorate will never accept Free Movement of People and the EU won't do a Norway deal without Free Movement.

Interesting article in the LSE as to why a soft brexit is not politically sustainable for either Labour or the Tories. Although the author doesn't think Free Movement is the big issue that I think it is.

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpoli ... ft-brexit/

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 10:59 pm

Ovals wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 10:30 pm

ia801310 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 9:43 pm I think Sunak will get enough of Tugendhat's votes to get into the last 2. I can't see where Mordaunt will get her extra votes from. Kemi could leapfrog both Truss and Mordaunt.

Truss must be toast now - but whether Kemi will pick up enough to get ahead of Mordaunt is another matter. At some point the right wingers will have to decide which of the candidates can beat Sunak - because that, more than anything, will become their key motivation now that Truss has no hope. Do they think that Kemi can do it, somehow I doubt it - so they'll need, fairly soon, to start aligning with PM.

I'd fucking love to see PM Sunak face down the ERG loons, & tell them that if they don't walk thru the right lobby when the Whips tell them, they'll deselected their arses so fast their heads will spin !

They're paper tigers, & I can't see any of them having the gumption to actually rebel if they know it'll result in them being banished from the mother ship that has tolerated their cancerous presence for far too long.

The weakness of Tory leadership has led to the pathetic set of candidates they have today; & for far too long they've let the Eurosceptic tail, wag the dog.

I think Sunak knows that the UK needs, at the very least, a Norway style deal with the EU, & that's why he has been dead set against the escalation of hostilities with the EU. If he can put them back in their box, & leave the fucked economy at their door, then there can be some rapprochement with the EU.

Sunak might know that, but do you think the electorate does?

These bastards have gone in big time with their anti EU hand, their media promotes it heavily.

It would take a lot to turn that around

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 11:06 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 10:59 pm

Ovals wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 10:30 pm

Truss must be toast now - but whether Kemi will pick up enough to get ahead of Mordaunt is another matter. At some point the right wingers will have to decide which of the candidates can beat Sunak - because that, more than anything, will become their key motivation now that Truss has no hope. Do they think that Kemi can do it, somehow I doubt it - so they'll need, fairly soon, to start aligning with PM.

I'd fucking love to see PM Sunak face down the ERG loons, & tell them that if they don't walk thru the right lobby when the Whips tell them, they'll deselected their arses so fast their heads will spin !

They're paper tigers, & I can't see any of them having the gumption to actually rebel if they know it'll result in them being banished from the mother ship that has tolerated their cancerous presence for far too long.

The weakness of Tory leadership has led to the pathetic set of candidates they have today; & for far too long they've let the Eurosceptic tail, wag the dog.

I think Sunak knows that the UK needs, at the very least, a Norway style deal with the EU, & that's why he has been dead set against the escalation of hostilities with the EU. If he can put them back in their box, & leave the fucked economy at their door, then there can be some rapprochement with the EU.

Sunak might know that, but do you think the electorate does?

These bastards have gone in big time with their anti EU hand, their media promotes it heavily.

It would take a lot to turn that around

No. I don't see any deal that involves Free Movement being acceptable to the electorate.

Interesting article in the LSE as to why a soft brexit is not politically sustainable for either Labour or the Tories. Although the author doesn't think Free Movement is the big issue that I think it is.

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpoli ... ft-brexit/

Not going to happen. The UK electorate will never accept Free Movement of People

Nope



48% of the electorate at the time voted to stay in, way before the reality started to bite

51% now think it was wrong

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 9:03 pm I'd say he went down okay with Tory voters



But yeah, won't get past the MP/Member filter. Which is fine by me.

The problem is The Tory membership is nothing like the average Tory voter. As you can see in that poll, Tory voters aren't much different from Labour voters and swing voters, that's the nature of a system with two supposedly broad church dominant parties.

The Tory party and its members are quite different. The Tories are now a revolutionary party with some extremist factions, all that's frustrating them and holding them back is how incompetent and unrealistic they are. On every issue their membership is far to the right of their voters, and their MPs even further right than their members. They're much more dislocated from their voters than any other party. They believe in unicorns so much that they're in fucking Narnia.

It's impossible to know how that went down with Tory members and MPs. Truss said she will cut taxes by increasing debt and Sunak refused to promise tax cuts, so maybe that boosts Truss. The Tories have been infiltrated by UKIP and Britain First supporters, it's a swivel eyed loony electorate capable of anything, as the bizarre candidate list shows.

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 11:06 pm

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 10:59 pm

Ovals wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 10:30 pm

Truss must be toast now - but whether Kemi will pick up enough to get ahead of Mordaunt is another matter. At some point the right wingers will have to decide which of the candidates can beat Sunak - because that, more than anything, will become their key motivation now that Truss has no hope. Do they think that Kemi can do it, somehow I doubt it - so they'll need, fairly soon, to start aligning with PM.

I'd fucking love to see PM Sunak face down the ERG loons, & tell them that if they don't walk thru the right lobby when the Whips tell them, they'll deselected their arses so fast their heads will spin !

They're paper tigers, & I can't see any of them having the gumption to actually rebel if they know it'll result in them being banished from the mother ship that has tolerated their cancerous presence for far too long.

The weakness of Tory leadership has led to the pathetic set of candidates they have today; & for far too long they've let the Eurosceptic tail, wag the dog.

I think Sunak knows that the UK needs, at the very least, a Norway style deal with the EU, & that's why he has been dead set against the escalation of hostilities with the EU. If he can put them back in their box, & leave the fucked economy at their door, then there can be some rapprochement with the EU.

Sunak might know that, but do you think the electorate does?

These bastards have gone in big time with their anti EU hand, their media promotes it heavily.

It would take a lot to turn that around

Then Sunak just needs to point the one part of the UK, (Outside of London), that is experiencing a recover, Post Covid, & say; Look at NI, they have a Norway style access to the EU !!

If we adopt this model for GB, we remove that terrible border down the Irish sea, & we can all have this boost to the economy !

_Os_ wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 8:45 pm Truss: There's this thing. I talk slowly. To give myself time. To think. This is how I was coached. Let me have my special Covid debt magic money tree, and I will cut taxes. Make the UK's debt to GDP ratio the same as Japan's.
Sunak: There's no magical free debt, I'm worried about inflation, I refuse to lower taxes. In other words, please Tory members don't vote for me.
Tugendhat: I was in the military and can plan things, and I was in the military. I also dislike my own party, please Tory MPs hate me more.
Mordaunt: What Sunak said in a nicer way. Also hard Brexit and growth, because with that unicorn taxes can be cut.
Badenoch: I refuse to fund the state and will cut more of it instead, I refuse to regulate the market, I refuse to give you any rebate on utilities when there's no real market and so no market provided alternative to unaffordable bills. I use boring language to hide the truth that I want no change. Make me a cabinet minister.

Even she could not get to Japan's 250% but it matters not because at 109%, the UK is already f**ked.

Didn't see the debate but has ANYONE yet, including the f**king useless media, pointed out to Sunak that he was driving the bus when it went into the abyss?

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No. I don't see any deal that involves Free Movement being acceptable to the electorate.
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Free movement of people was the most important issue for the red-faced and shouty brigade. They’re not so keen when they understand that most people that ‘cough’ look like them don’t want to sweep up our mess, pick our food and clean grannies backside.

The biggest thing on Brexit is everyone was told we are paying lots of money for nothing in return. That’s is a discussion point for maybe many years time but not for the average family or their kids in the timescale they were expecting.

Ovals wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 10:30 pm

ia801310 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 9:43 pm I think Sunak will get enough of Tugendhat's votes to get into the last 2. I can't see where Mordaunt will get her extra votes from. Kemi could leapfrog both Truss and Mordaunt.

Truss must be toast now - but whether Kemi will pick up enough to get ahead of Mordaunt is another matter. At some point the right wingers will have to decide which of the candidates can beat Sunak - because that, more than anything, will become their key motivation now that Truss has no hope. Do they think that Kemi can do it, somehow I doubt it - so they'll need, fairly soon, to start aligning with PM.

The Poundland Thatcher - scores an own goal unless she's explaining why she became Lib Dem

Ovals wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 10:30 pm

ia801310 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 9:43 pm I think Sunak will get enough of Tugendhat's votes to get into the last 2. I can't see where Mordaunt will get her extra votes from. Kemi could leapfrog both Truss and Mordaunt.

Truss must be toast now - but whether Kemi will pick up enough to get ahead of Mordaunt is another matter. At some point the right wingers will have to decide which of the candidates can beat Sunak - because that, more than anything, will become their key motivation now that Truss has no hope. Do they think that Kemi can do it, somehow I doubt it - so they'll need, fairly soon, to start aligning with PM.

Looking that way, I do hope so. She's dreadful

Was thinking last week Tugendhat seemed to be the most sensible option amongst these awful options.

And I was wondering why there wasn't more info on him and his policies/ideas in the media.

So now we know: he's probably the most competent and possibly most moderate of a (very) bad lot, hence Tory HQ and their puppet media won't let him get near Downing Street in the current climate of lies and cronyism.
I mean, what would they gain with him: potentially statesmanship, some credibility even? (being very optimistic here tbh!) They certainly won't get as much money, ridiculous wallpaper and as many titles.

I imagine his game is building a reputation ahead of the 2024 Tory leadership contest.

salanya wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 10:32 am Was thinking last week Tugendhat seemed to be the most sensible option amongst these awful options.

And I was wondering why there wasn't more info on him and his policies/ideas in the media.

So now we know: he's probably the most competent and possibly most moderate of a (very) bad lot, hence Tory HQ and their puppet media won't let him get near Downing Street in the current climate of lies and cronyism.
I mean, what would they gain with him: potentially statesmanship, some credibility even? (being very optimistic here tbh!) They certainly won't get as much money, ridiculous wallpaper and as many titles.

I imagine his game is building a reputation ahead of the 2024 Tory leadership contest.

Or it could be because he’s not in Gov’t.

GogLais wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 10:41 am

salanya wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 10:32 am Was thinking last week Tugendhat seemed to be the most sensible option amongst these awful options.

And I was wondering why there wasn't more info on him and his policies/ideas in the media.

So now we know: he's probably the most competent and possibly most moderate of a (very) bad lot, hence Tory HQ and their puppet media won't let him get near Downing Street in the current climate of lies and cronyism.
I mean, what would they gain with him: potentially statesmanship, some credibility even? (being very optimistic here tbh!) They certainly won't get as much money, ridiculous wallpaper and as many titles.

I imagine his game is building a reputation ahead of the 2024 Tory leadership contest.

Or it could be because he’s not in Gov’t.

Ah, that'll add to it in fairness.

But I've heard more about Badenoch than Tugendhat.

salanya wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 10:49 am

GogLais wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 10:41 am

salanya wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 10:32 am Was thinking last week Tugendhat seemed to be the most sensible option amongst these awful options.

And I was wondering why there wasn't more info on him and his policies/ideas in the media.

So now we know: he's probably the most competent and possibly most moderate of a (very) bad lot, hence Tory HQ and their puppet media won't let him get near Downing Street in the current climate of lies and cronyism.
I mean, what would they gain with him: potentially statesmanship, some credibility even? (being very optimistic here tbh!) They certainly won't get as much money, ridiculous wallpaper and as many titles.

I imagine his game is building a reputation ahead of the 2024 Tory leadership contest.

Or it could be because he’s not in Gov’t.

Ah, that'll add to it in fairness.

But I've heard more about Badenoch than Tugendhat.

A woman of colour is getting to get more column inches than a white middle/upper class man.

GogLais wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 2:12 pm A woman of colour .

salanya wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 10:49 am

GogLais wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 10:41 am

salanya wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 10:32 am Was thinking last week Tugendhat seemed to be the most sensible option amongst these awful options.

And I was wondering why there wasn't more info on him and his policies/ideas in the media.

So now we know: he's probably the most competent and possibly most moderate of a (very) bad lot, hence Tory HQ and their puppet media won't let him get near Downing Street in the current climate of lies and cronyism.
I mean, what would they gain with him: potentially statesmanship, some credibility even? (being very optimistic here tbh!) They certainly won't get as much money, ridiculous wallpaper and as many titles.

I imagine his game is building a reputation ahead of the 2024 Tory leadership contest.

Or it could be because he’s not in Gov’t.

Ah, that'll add to it in fairness.

But I've heard more about Badenoch than Tugendhat.

She's a Minister, so unlike him she is 'in Government'. She's also a darling of the right wing press as she's a hard-line Brexiteer, 'anti-woke' and doesn't believe there is institutional racism in the UK.

Probably just as well for him he didn't get through the initial ballot!

Zahawi urged to explain source of £26m mystery loans

The chancellor Nadhim Zahawi is under pressure to explain the source of £26m of unsecured loans reported by his family property firm in 2018 as he faces questions over his tax affairs.

The millions of pounds of loans helped Zahawi and his wife buy properties across Britain, including commercial and retail premises in London, Birmingham, Brighton and Walton-on-Thames in Surrey.

The Observer has established that new loans to the property firm Zahawi and Zahawi were reported in the same year that an offshore family company linked to the chancellor sold shares in YouGov, the polling firm he founded, transferring £26m to an unknown recipient or recipients.

Penny Mordaunt came across as a bare faced liar on the BBC this morning.

sefton wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 9:30 am Penny Mordaunt came across as a bare faced liar on the BBC this morning.

Lies are the new truth

sefton wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 9:30 am Penny Mordaunt came across as a bare faced liar on the BBC this morning.

She was roasted over the Turkey issue. Have these dumb feckers not realised that lying is why the Tories have lost the plot.
She should have just said she was wrong.

Nothing to see here just move along before we arrest you for not moving along !!

A plan to create 39 new Tory-supporting lords as a matter of urgency, to push through contentious legislation, has been proposed by the most influential political lobby group that advises the prime minister, Boris Johnson.

"Project Homer", a confidential document drafted by Sir Lynton Crosby's C|T Group and seen by ITV News, says that if there had been around 40 additional committed Tory supporters in the Lords, Boris Johnson would have avoided more than half of the defeats he suffered in the second chamber since becoming prime minister.

C|T also proposes what it calls professionalisation of the Tories' operation in the Lords.

It says the loyalty of individual peers could be rewarded by giving them CBEs for political service, making them special envoys or advisors to the prime minister, and giving them lunches and dinners at Chequers, the PM's country residence.

It devises a strategy to prevent too much criticism of what many would see as an anti-democratic ploy by proposing that many of the new peers come from under-represented parts of the country, such as the north and midlands.

It also says that if the list were to contain controversial candidates such as Paul Dacre, editor in chief of the business that owns the Daily Mail, the media and critics would concentrate their outrage on him, rather than looking too hard at the bigger picture.

Shall we discuss again why you need a written Constitution, where a PM, let alone a lame dick one, can't just take a shit on basic Democratic principles ?

This kind of shit is what you expect in the old USSR, or North Korea,where the flunkies wave thru any dogshit that's proposed by the leadership

C69 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 9:50 am

sefton wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 9:30 am Penny Mordaunt came across as a bare faced liar on the BBC this morning.

She was roasted over the Turkey issue. Have these dumb feckers not realised that lying is why the Tories have lost the plot.
She should have just said she was wrong.

She also came out with a classic, cutting fuel duty is cost neutral because people will drive more. The more you see the more vacuous she appears.

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 10:06 am Nothing to see here just move along before we arrest you for not moving along !!

A plan to create 39 new Tory-supporting lords as a matter of urgency, to push through contentious legislation, has been proposed by the most influential political lobby group that advises the prime minister, Boris Johnson.

"Project Homer", a confidential document drafted by Sir Lynton Crosby's C|T Group and seen by ITV News, says that if there had been around 40 additional committed Tory supporters in the Lords, Boris Johnson would have avoided more than half of the defeats he suffered in the second chamber since becoming prime minister.

C|T also proposes what it calls professionalisation of the Tories' operation in the Lords.

It says the loyalty of individual peers could be rewarded by giving them CBEs for political service, making them special envoys or advisors to the prime minister, and giving them lunches and dinners at Chequers, the PM's country residence.

It devises a strategy to prevent too much criticism of what many would see as an anti-democratic ploy by proposing that many of the new peers come from under-represented parts of the country, such as the north and midlands.

It also says that if the list were to contain controversial candidates such as Paul Dacre, editor in chief of the business that owns the Daily Mail, the media and critics would concentrate their outrage on him, rather than looking too hard at the bigger picture.

Shall we discuss again why you need a written Constitution, where a PM, let alone a lame dick one, can't just take a shit on basic Democratic principles ?

This kind of shit is what you expect in the old USSR, or North Korea,where the flunkies wave thru any dogshit that's proposed by the leadership

Seems impossible to substantially change a constitution without drastic upheaval or revolution. And Labour seems to show no desire for it.

So, Truss states "I want to abolish the top down Whitehall inspired Stalinist housing targets - that’s the wrong way to generate economic growth."

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 11:28 am So, Truss states "I want to abolish the top down Whitehall inspired Stalinist housing targets - that’s the wrong way to generate economic growth."

Every time the vacuous numpty opens her mouth she displays a level of stupidity that should preclude her from politics let alone the leadership

GogLais wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 10:27 am

fishfoodie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 10:06 am Nothing to see here just move along before we arrest you for not moving along !!

A plan to create 39 new Tory-supporting lords as a matter of urgency, to push through contentious legislation, has been proposed by the most influential political lobby group that advises the prime minister, Boris Johnson.

"Project Homer", a confidential document drafted by Sir Lynton Crosby's C|T Group and seen by ITV News, says that if there had been around 40 additional committed Tory supporters in the Lords, Boris Johnson would have avoided more than half of the defeats he suffered in the second chamber since becoming prime minister.

C|T also proposes what it calls professionalisation of the Tories' operation in the Lords.

It says the loyalty of individual peers could be rewarded by giving them CBEs for political service, making them special envoys or advisors to the prime minister, and giving them lunches and dinners at Chequers, the PM's country residence.

It devises a strategy to prevent too much criticism of what many would see as an anti-democratic ploy by proposing that many of the new peers come from under-represented parts of the country, such as the north and midlands.

It also says that if the list were to contain controversial candidates such as Paul Dacre, editor in chief of the business that owns the Daily Mail, the media and critics would concentrate their outrage on him, rather than looking too hard at the bigger picture.

Shall we discuss again why you need a written Constitution, where a PM, let alone a lame dick one, can't just take a shit on basic Democratic principles ?

This kind of shit is what you expect in the old USSR, or North Korea,where the flunkies wave thru any dogshit that's proposed by the leadership

Seems impossible to substantially change a constitution without drastic upheaval or revolution. And Labour seems to show no desire for it.

Best chance of constitutional change is it being forced by Scottish independence

SaintK wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 11:33 am

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 11:28 am So, Truss states "I want to abolish the top down Whitehall inspired Stalinist housing targets - that’s the wrong way to generate economic growth."

Every time the vacuous numpty opens her mouth she displays a level of stupidity that should preclude her from politics let alone the leadership

She is right though, Britain's economic model is ever increasing house prices and to stop that would be to alienate Tory voters. A rare moment of clarity if anything.