NPR

Blake wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 2:48 pm

TheFrog wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 2:25 pm I know the French Air Force has missiles that can pierce the tarmac and blow in depth, which results in the tarmac looking pl, but as soon as you drove through, the tarmac collapses and the vehicle gets stuck in a hole, disabling the runway/road for a while.

It's massive cost in either a strategic missile or risking a couple of planes, just to cause a temporary inconvenience to a heavily defended bridge.

Also, it's a dual bridge with a roadway and a rail line next to it. You'll have to take out both.

Blake wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 2:08 pm

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 1:41 pm Not sure quite how feasible this is, to do significant damage and if so what Russia would do in response. Would be useful psy-ops to worry those in Crimea though about not being able to exit to Russia and it becoming a hot zone

N.B. Paywalled article, this is all I have access to

Bomb Russia’s bridge to Crimea, Ukraine urged
Ex-Nato commander says missile strike would deal a huge blow

Ukraine could deal a devastating blow to the Kremlin by attacking the Kerch Strait bridge, which links mainland Russia with Crimea, using newly supplied Harpoon missiles, a former Nato commander has told The Times.

General Philip Breedlove, who was supreme allied commander for Europe from 2013 to 2016, said an attack on the bridge was justified by Russia’s aggression against Ukraine from all quarters. “Kerch bridge is a legitimate target,” he said.

Breedlove’s support for such an attack came as Russia launched airstrikes on the city of Kramatorsk in eastern Ukraine. Oleksandr Goncharenko, the mayor, said there had been casualties and advised all residents to stay in shelters. The city of Sloviansk, near Kramatorsk, also came under attack.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cut- ... -qh93slq0k

Yeah, everything I've seen and read about this came to the same conclusion:
a.) It is a very good military target, but b.) it is heavily defended and c.) bridges are actually very difficult targets to knock out.

Maybe with a fuckton of guided missiles it would doable, but it is heavily defended by Russian AA assets. The Ruskies have also recently parked a barge of some kind close-by full of some kind of reflective material, ostensibly to "attract" any infra-red guided munitions. The general consensus however is that it's a very desperate play as any missiles that do get used will likely be laser or GPS guided anyway.

Then there is the issue of a bridges being engineered to withstand quite a lot. Any damage caused by a missile strike or bombardment is likely to be reparable. It's why, to properly blow a bridge, they typically have to be loaded with explosives at key load points by sappers. Now, I don't want to claim to know more than General Philip Breedlove (I know I don't), so I'd be very curious what kind of strike he had in mind to achieve such a mission.

Flockwitt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 7:20 pm This is not so good. There's been several comments on the fact Ukraine tried to hold on to Severodenetsk for too long. The so called trap really wasn't worth it, effectively becoming Ukraine's own Verdun. As mentioned, made good headlines but infantry fighting back and forth in a city isn't what it's actually about militarily. Once the retreat from the fortified hills behind was being compromised they should have got out and I'll believe this video is genuine enough though I dare say it's a collection from around the Donbas, not just from Lisichansk.

https://twitter.com/ParabellumSRB/statu ... 5735122944

Niegs wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 8:22 pm

Flockwitt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 7:20 pm This is not so good. There's been several comments on the fact Ukraine tried to hold on to Severodenetsk for too long. The so called trap really wasn't worth it, effectively becoming Ukraine's own Verdun. As mentioned, made good headlines but infantry fighting back and forth in a city isn't what it's actually about militarily. Once the retreat from the fortified hills behind was being compromised they should have got out and I'll believe this video is genuine enough though I dare say it's a collection from around the Donbas, not just from Lisichansk.

https://twitter.com/ParabellumSRB/statu ... 5735122944

Already got the museum placards up. Maybe damaged and abandoned equipment that's now unusable?

Flockwitt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 08, 2022 7:20 pm This is not so good. There's been several comments on the fact Ukraine tried to hold on to Severodenetsk for too long. The so called trap really wasn't worth it, effectively becoming Ukraine's own Verdun. As mentioned, made good headlines but infantry fighting back and forth in a city isn't what it's actually about militarily. Once the retreat from the fortified hills behind was being compromised they should have got out and I'll believe this video is genuine enough though I dare say it's a collection from around the Donbas, not just from Lisichansk.

https://twitter.com/ParabellumSRB/statu ... 5735122944

Ukraine has claimed that Russia is now using its S-300 long-range surface-to-air missiles to attack land targets in Ukraine.

The assertion, from the governor of the Mykolaiv Oblast, in southern Ukraine, suggests that Russia’s shortage of standoff weapons to attack land targets may well be worse than thought. The S-300 apparently does possess a little-known surface-to-surface capability.

Using the Telegram instant messaging service, Vitaly Kim, the governor of Mykolaiv Oblast, introduced the claim about the S-300, without specifying which versions are being used. Russia operates both the S-300P series on 8x8 wheeled chassis and the S-300V that uses a tracked chassis, and which offers an improved anti-ballistic missile capability. Both S-300P and S-300V series have been used by Russia (and also by Ukraine) in the Ukrainian war. These systems can fire ar variety of missiles.


Kim says that 12 missiles were fired by S-300s in a land attack role, targeting Mykolaiv Oblast, but he also notes that, despite the missiles being retrofitted with GPS guidance, they remain inaccurate.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/r ... e-official

Iryna Vereshchuk, Deputy Prime Minister, is calling on residents of the occupied areas of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia oblasts to evacuate by all possible means.

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 11:35 am

tabascoboy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 10, 2022 7:56 am Removal of RU forces and equipment on Snake Island more than just symbolic