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Posted: **Mon Aug 22, 2022 12:55 pm**

average joe wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 12:39 pm

I mentioned after the AB game that our loosies are not balanced right. Playing towards the ball and organising the defensive line is Vermeulen's strengths. He cant do any of that if he's the one tacking contact though. PSdT pre injury worked cause he was all over the place but he's a ghost of his former self. I'm not even going to mention the other loosie cause he's permanently missing anyways. You need a tackle machine like Mostert to make Vermeulen work at this stage in his career.

Bottom line, we are playing two unfit players, while we have several in-form loosies in the squad, who are not even on the bench.
Enough said.

Posted: **Mon Aug 22, 2022 12:58 pm**

Grandpa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 12:42 pm I still like Leicester... and think he has a big future in the All Blacks. I can see why they liked Clarke against the Boks as he does bust tackles and get us over the gain line... just a shame he isn't a very smart player. But Leicester I think has the smarts... and the physicality... just needs the confidence now. Ennor... just no... go away...

What happened to Crotty? I liked him, nothing flash but solid and did his job.

Posted: **Mon Aug 22, 2022 1:26 pm**

average joe wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 12:58 pm
Grandpa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 12:42 pm I still like Leicester... and think he has a big future in the All Blacks. I can see why they liked Clarke against the Boks as he does bust tackles and get us over the gain line... just a shame he isn't a very smart player. But Leicester I think has the smarts... and the physicality... just needs the confidence now. Ennor... just no... go away...
What happened to Crotty? I liked him, nothing flash but solid and did his job.

I liked him too... one of those players who was better at test level than super level... he retired from test rugby after the 2019 world cup.. but the closest we had to Conrad Smith in terms of organisation of a backline...

Posted: **Mon Aug 22, 2022 1:28 pm**

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 11:26 am
Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 8:12 pm Oom showing confidence in the win. This is very un-oom like.

Good on ya!
With Gelant & Willemse to spread some magic, I am now even more convinced. Bokke by 16.

Gelant can be very hot or very cold.

Posted: **Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:04 pm**

I hope fat Frans has sorted out his shit.
Can't have a dominant scrum if you are ploughing grass.
There's no room for weakness with Dweba there.
Happy for the 5 to 3 split but my vok. Junkies

I sometimes think Rassnaber is bevok in his kop

Thats it

Posted: **Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:13 pm**

boere wors wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 12:55 pm
average joe wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 12:39 pm

I mentioned after the AB game that our loosies are not balanced right. Playing towards the ball and organising the defensive line is Vermeulen's strengths. He cant do any of that if he's the one tacking contact though. PSdT pre injury worked cause he was all over the place but he's a ghost of his former self. I'm not even going to mention the other loosie cause he's permanently missing anyways. You need a tackle machine like Mostert to make Vermeulen work at this stage in his career.
Bottom line, we are playing two unfit players, while we have several in-form loosies in the squad, who are not even on the bench.
Enough said.

Eggzactly, but guess what, Kolisi is un-droppable and the coaches want Vermeulen there. So how do you make it work?
PSdT had a very bad injury, I believe he nearly died in theatre. He's still young though and might still come right with enough game time. Question is do you give him the time needed with the Boks or do tell him to get back into form somewhere ells?

Posted: **Mon Aug 22, 2022 3:51 pm**

handyman wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 1:28 pm
OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 11:26 am
Ymx wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 8:12 pm Oom showing confidence in the win. This is very un-oom like.

Good on ya!
With Gelant & Willemse to spread some magic, I am now even more convinced. Bokke by 16.
Gelant can be very hot or very cold.

He was backed at the Stormers and he turned them around with some brilliant performances. He has not been given a chance. That whole fiasco against Wales was a bullshit attempt to get rid of the youngsters with a big f you.
We are vokked until after the next RWC . The Rassnabber era will end in tears.

We are currently on a 61 percent winning rate . That is poor.

Gelant should be at fullback. End of. This crap of playing players out of position is bull

Posted: **Mon Aug 22, 2022 5:08 pm**

average joe wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:13 pm
boere wors wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 12:55 pm
average joe wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 12:39 pm

I mentioned after the AB game that our loosies are not balanced right. Playing towards the ball and organising the defensive line is Vermeulen's strengths. He cant do any of that if he's the one tacking contact though. PSdT pre injury worked cause he was all over the place but he's a ghost of his former self. I'm not even going to mention the other loosie cause he's permanently missing anyways. You need a tackle machine like Mostert to make Vermeulen work at this stage in his career.
Bottom line, we are playing two unfit players, while we have several in-form loosies in the squad, who are not even on the bench.
Enough said.
Eggzactly, but guess what, Kolisi is un-droppable and the coaches want Vermeulen there. So how do you make it work?
PSdT had a very bad injury, I believe he nearly died in theatre. He's still young though and might still come right with enough game time. Question is do you give him the time needed with the Boks or do tell him to get back into form somewhere ells?

Players certainly can't walk into the bok 23 in search for form. No matter their credentials. It is utter ridiculous and unfair to the other guys. Elrigh Louw, Evan Roos, Jasper Wiese are in top form and should be given an honest opportunity to make their mark in the first choice bok team, not in experimental sides once every blue moon.

Posted: **Mon Aug 22, 2022 5:19 pm**

Sards wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 3:51 pm
handyman wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 1:28 pm
OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 11:26 am

With Gelant & Willemse to spread some magic, I am now even more convinced. Bokke by 16.
Gelant can be very hot or very cold.
He was backed at the Stormers and he turned them around with some brilliant performances. He has not been given a chance. That whole fiasco against Wales was a bullshit attempt to get rid of the youngsters with a big f you.
We are vokked until after the next RWC . The Rassnabber era will end in tears.

We are currently on a 61 percent winning rate . That is poor.
Gelant should be at fullback. End of. This crap of playing players out of position is bull

Spot on! It's a joke.

Why the fuck do they play Willemse at 15 anyway, while at his club his bok teammate is first choice.

Posted: **Mon Aug 22, 2022 10:26 pm**

Sards wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 3:51 pm
Gelant should be at fullback. End of. This crap of playing players out of position is bull

Hey!! That is our line.

Posted: **Mon Aug 22, 2022 10:40 pm**

Kiwias wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 10:26 pm
Sards wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 3:51 pm
Gelant should be at fullback. End of. This crap of playing players out of position is bull
Hey!! That is our line.

Yeah, and so's the one about the test captain/openside being un-droppable!

Bloody Saffers need to get their own material. Grrr!!

Posted: **Mon Aug 22, 2022 10:59 pm**

boere wors wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 5:08 pm
average joe wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:13 pm
boere wors wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 12:55 pm
Bottom line, we are playing two unfit players, while we have several in-form loosies in the squad, who are not even on the bench.
Enough said.
Eggzactly, but guess what, Kolisi is un-droppable and the coaches want Vermeulen there. So how do you make it work?
PSdT had a very bad injury, I believe he nearly died in theatre. He's still young though and might still come right with enough game time. Question is do you give him the time needed with the Boks or do tell him to get back into form somewhere ells?
Players certainly can't walk into the bok 23 in search for form. No matter their credentials. It is utter ridiculous and unfair to the other guys. Elrigh Louw, Evan Roos, Jasper Wiese are in top form and should be given an honest opportunity to make their mark in the first choice bok team, not in experimental sides once every blue moon.

I hate to use the Q word (as I don't believe there is an actual one) but the likes of Dweba and Jantjies keeping Grobbelaar and Wiese/Roos/Louw out does make we wonder if the Transformation targets do have an impact.

Posted: **Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:51 am**

ia801310 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 10:59 pm
boere wors wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 5:08 pm
average joe wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:13 pm
Eggzactly, but guess what, Kolisi is un-droppable and the coaches want Vermeulen there. So how do you make it work?
PSdT had a very bad injury, I believe he nearly died in theatre. He's still young though and might still come right with enough game time. Question is do you give him the time needed with the Boks or do tell him to get back into form somewhere ells?
Players certainly can't walk into the bok 23 in search for form. No matter their credentials. It is utter ridiculous and unfair to the other guys. Elrigh Louw, Evan Roos, Jasper Wiese are in top form and should be given an honest opportunity to make their mark in the first choice bok team, not in experimental sides once every blue moon.
I hate to use the Q word (as I don't believe there is an actual one) but the likes of Dweba and Jantjies keeping Grobbelaar and Wiese/Roos/Louw out does make we wonder if the Transformation targets do have an impact.

As much as I rate Wiese/Roos/Louw I don't think they'd go very well at no.10.

Posted: **Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:07 am**

It's really not a quota issue. I'm not sure why this is even coming up, quotas haven't been a thing for many, many years.

It's just JN getting it wrong. It has an Eddie Jones feel to the situation; sticking with tried and tested players even though they're out of form, giving players opportunities and then dropping them, youngsters being part of the squad but never getting gametime, all in the name of building towards the RWC.

Posted: **Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:38 am**

Look like no one see the difference. Our season change. What do the NH players now?

If Rasnaber select Gelant and notWillie you lot moan, If he select Willie and not Gelant you still moan.

I If you think they don't have a player management plan, then you are just vokken stupid.

All the players will get a decent chance. Dweba had a shite 40 minutes. So does most before him in their first few tests.

Vok Coetzee played 31 debut tests and some here still wants him in the team?

Put faith in the coaches, they need to chop and change until the WC.

Posted: **Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:40 am**

assfly wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:07 am It's really not a quota issue. I'm not sure why this is even coming up, quotas haven't been a thing for many, many years.

It's just JN getting it wrong. It has an Eddie Jones feel to the situation; sticking with tried and tested players even though they're out of form, giving players opportunities and then dropping them, youngsters being part of the squad but never getting gametime, all in the name of building towards the RWC.

You lot kak in your pants if I use the qouta word. Does that make him a racist?

Posted: **Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:53 am**

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:40 am You lot kak in your pants if I use the qouta word. Does that make him a racist?

What gives you the impression I have "kaked my pants"?

I don't think discussing quotas makes anyone a racist. At worst, he is uninformed.

Posted: **Tue Aug 23, 2022 7:33 am**

I don't think any of the players in the squad can be considered quota players. They all deserve their spot. But you are deluded if you think transformation targets has no effect on the decision making for match day squads though. You look at a player like Marx, he's clearly the best hooker we have, so why is he not starting every game?

Posted: **Tue Aug 23, 2022 8:26 am**

Looks like the DMac debate will be resuming soon in NZ.

He is performing bloody well in NPC

Posted: **Tue Aug 23, 2022 8:29 am**

Enzedder wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 8:26 am Looks like the DMac debate will be resuming soon in NZ.

He is performing bloody well in NPC

Yep he is playing well. You got Richie now.

Posted: **Tue Aug 23, 2022 8:50 am**

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 8:29 am
Enzedder wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 8:26 am Looks like the DMac debate will be resuming soon in NZ.

He is performing bloody well in NPC
Yep he is playing well. You got Richie now.

In the SFM's mind, he has BB and RIchie

Posted: **Tue Aug 23, 2022 9:46 am**

assfly wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:07 am It's really not a quota issue. I'm not sure why this is even coming up, quotas haven't been a thing for many, many years.

It's just JN getting it wrong. It has an Eddie Jones feel to the situation; sticking with tried and tested players even though they're out of form, giving players opportunities and then dropping them, youngsters being part of the squad but never getting gametime, all in the name of building towards the RWC.

This is exactly the problem.

And it is not only Wiese/Louw/Roos being left behind, but also Gelant/Hendrikse/Willemse (at 12)/Fassi/Williams who arguably should be starting for the boks. Hence transformation goals can't be the decisive factor here.

Rejuvination of the squad is just not taking place and the self proclaimed goal of building consistency / a winning habit is missed every 2nd weekend.

Posted: **Tue Aug 23, 2022 9:48 am**

Kiwias wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 8:50 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 8:29 am
Enzedder wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 8:26 am Looks like the DMac debate will be resuming soon in NZ.

He is performing bloody well in NPC
Yep he is playing well. You got Richie now.
In the SFM's mind, he has BB and RIchie

Wish we can have one of that 3 flyhalfs. Cant we exchange a prop for a flyhalf?

Posted: **Tue Aug 23, 2022 12:25 pm**

Has any nation prior used the RWC champions title as much as us Saffers...every article you read its............the world champions vs ABs, Australia ...etc.

Posted: **Tue Aug 23, 2022 12:27 pm**

Sards wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 12:25 pm Has any nation prior used the RWC champions title as much as us Saffers...every article you read its............the world champions vs ABs, Australia ...etc.

All Blacks use that for a very long time.

Posted: **Tue Aug 23, 2022 12:34 pm**

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 12:27 pm
Sards wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 12:25 pm Has any nation prior used the RWC champions title as much as us Saffers...every article you read its............the world champions vs ABs, Australia ...etc.
All Blacks use that for a very long time.

I am sure the All Blacks were referred to as that or the ABs.....Arent we proud enough to just say...The Springboks

Posted: **Tue Aug 23, 2022 12:35 pm**

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 12:27 pm
Sards wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 12:25 pm Has any nation prior used the RWC champions title as much as us Saffers...every article you read its............the world champions vs ABs, Australia ...etc.
All Blacks use that for a very long time.

Didn't really need to.. saying All Blacks was enough...

Posted: **Tue Aug 23, 2022 12:57 pm**

Sards wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 12:34 pm
OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 12:27 pm
Sards wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 12:25 pm Has any nation prior used the RWC champions title as much as us Saffers...every article you read its............the world champions vs ABs, Australia ...etc.
All Blacks use that for a very long time.
I am sure the All Blacks were referred to as that or the ABs.....Arent we proud enough to just say...The Springboks

Playing against the World Champ sell more tickets, newspapers.

Posted: **Tue Aug 23, 2022 9:06 pm**

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 12:57 pm
Sards wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 12:34 pm
OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 12:27 pm

All Blacks use that for a very long time.
I am sure the All Blacks were referred to as that or the ABs.....Arent we proud enough to just say...The Springboks
Playing against the World Champ sell more tickets, newspapers.

Yep bang on Oom, and to be fair it's not the Boks that cintinually use the WC tag, more press/people from other countries.
To me it's a waste of time, like mentioned about All Blacks, I just need Springboks to sell me on a game anyway!

Posted: **Tue Aug 23, 2022 9:56 pm**

Yep WC tag or rankings means nothing.

Little bit of info on the du Toits from Kloovenburg. Sorry afrikaans.

‘n Nuwe generasie Du Toit’s word in die Kloovenburg Wyn- en Olyflandgoed buite die klein dorpie, Riebeek-Kasteel, sowat 80km noordoos van Kaapstad gekweek.

Riebeeck-Kasteel is nou bekend vir sy tafeldruiwe, olywe en groot blonde blouoog lywe.

Kloovenberg is die tuiste van Suid-Afrika se bekendste rugbyfamilie, die Du Toits.

Pieter-Steph, wie die 20e verjaar het, al in 62 toetse gespeel, en was al Wêreldrugby en SA se Speler van die Jaar.

Die legende het begin met Piet ‘Spiere’ du Toit, ‘n suksesvolle boer en kragman wie in 14 toetse vir Suid-Afrika gespeel het.

Hy was klein van postuur teen 95kg, maar sy gesspierde lyf en tegniek het hom goed te staan gekom die donker kuns van voorry-spel.

Hy het in twee wentoetse en ‘n gelykoptoets teen die All Blacks gespeel en sy seun Pieter klubrugby in die Swartland.

Pieter onthou ‘n leer-rugbybal wat sy pa van oorsee gebring het. Dit was sy sekuriteitskombers, sy gelukkige bal. Dit het een aand aand in die vuur geval maar sy pa het dit gered.

Sy seuns, Pieter-Steph (29), Johan, die WP flank (26), Anton (24) en Daniel (22) het almal vir Swartland uitgedraf.

Anton is heelagter van Maties in die Varsitybeker en volgens sy pa baie belowend.

Die jongste, Daniel, het vir Huis Marais, ‘n koshuis by Maties uitgedraf.

Johan is die beste jagter van die vier, Anton studeer medies en is die beste tennisspeler van die vier en Anton het die beste besigheidsbrein.

Die stories is legio, maar Pieter
som dit goed op: “Ons is familiemense, plaasmense en rugbymense - in daardie volgorde.”

Posted: **Tue Aug 23, 2022 10:57 pm**

Couldn't disagree with a word written in that article Ooms!!

Posted: **Tue Aug 23, 2022 11:13 pm**

Any chance thst Argentina could beat New Zeland?

Posted: **Wed Aug 24, 2022 12:25 am**

TheFrog wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 11:13 pm Any chance thst Argentina could beat New Zeland?

Yes… although the change in coaching personnel, along with the selection of Mo’unga over Barrett particularly along with other player selections would suggest that is less likely than it looked a few weeks ago.

A rare test in Christchurch in the gentle wash of fresh air coming off the Southern Alps in late winter should favour the ABs and they’re more likely to put 50 on los Pumas than lose… but you never know.

Posted: **Wed Aug 24, 2022 5:43 am**

Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 12:25 am
TheFrog wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 11:13 pm Any chance thst Argentina could beat New Zeland?
Yes… although the change in coaching personnel, along with the selection of Mo’unga over Barrett particularly along with other player selections would suggest that is less likely than it looked a few weeks ago.

A rare test in Christchurch in the gentle wash of fresh air coming off the Southern Alps in late winter should favour the ABs and they’re more likely to put 50 on los Pumas than lose… but you never know.

Do you know something we don't?

Posted: **Wed Aug 24, 2022 5:57 am**

Kiwias wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 5:43 am
Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 12:25 am
TheFrog wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 11:13 pm Any chance thst Argentina could beat New Zeland?
Yes… although the change in coaching personnel, along with the selection of Mo’unga over Barrett particularly along with other player selections would suggest that is less likely than it looked a few weeks ago.

A rare test in Christchurch in the gentle wash of fresh air coming off the Southern Alps in late winter should favour the ABs and they’re more likely to put 50 on los Pumas than lose… but you never know.
Do you know something we don't?

Reports of an injury suffered by BB in training the other day (minor by all accounts) also suggested the starting role was already a given for Mo'unga.

Of course, it's not official..

but I DARE Foster to go back to starting Barrett after that one game with Richie Mo in charge. I fucking dare him to do it.

Posted: **Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:12 am**

Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 5:57 am
Kiwias wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 5:43 am
Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 12:25 am

Yes… although the change in coaching personnel, along with the selection of Mo’unga over Barrett particularly along with other player selections would suggest that is less likely than it looked a few weeks ago.

A rare test in Christchurch in the gentle wash of fresh air coming off the Southern Alps in late winter should favour the ABs and they’re more likely to put 50 on los Pumas than lose… but you never know.
Do you know something we don't?
Reports of an injury suffered by BB in training the other day (minor by all accounts) also suggested the starting role was already a given for Mo'unga.

Of course, it's not official..

but I DARE Foster to go back to starting Barrett after that one game with Richie Mo in charge. I fucking dare him to do it.

I genuinely expect him to start with BB, assuming the injury is not a factor.

Posted: **Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:19 am**

I don't think Joe Schmidt will let him do that...

Posted: **Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:21 am**

Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:19 am I don't think Joe Schmidt will let him do that...

I certainly hope so.

Posted: **Wed Aug 24, 2022 8:08 pm**

Guy Smiley wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:19 am I don't think Joe Schmidt will let him do that...

In what world do you live in Guy? I will bet anything Schmidt will not have either the ability or the want to tell Foster what to do or who to play. Actually am real confident of that, as I have genuine close contact of his in my close family, and he just not that sort of person, even if Foster was the type to allow it.

Posted: **Wed Aug 24, 2022 8:13 pm**

What world do I live in?

I live in a world where stills from old movies are used to illustrate mild satire, Dan.

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