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Biffer wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:07 pm John Burn Murdoch with good statistical analysis again



Russia and Mexico lying like shit about numbers of deaths.

Happyhooker wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:13 pm

Slick wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:36 pm

Bullet wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:49 am Not sure if this thread is the right place for a question but does anyone else have neighbours that have ignored lockdown and will have to deal with them when lifted?
There was 14 (from 4 households) at party in their front garden Saturday and I've realised that I don't need that level of selfish in my life.

Haven't seen anything like that, but I know quite a few mates up here are starting to break the rules in small ways - 2 couples inside, a couple meeting up to watch the rugby etc.

well apart from your elderly neighbours and their dinner parties.........

Saint wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:43 pm Valneva Phase I/II early results show the vaccine produces high levels of antibodies plus a T-Cell response in 153 volunteers. Moving on to a Phase III trial ASAP

Biffer wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:55 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:43 pm Valneva Phase I/II early results show the vaccine produces high levels of antibodies plus a T-Cell response in 153 volunteers. Moving on to a Phase III trial ASAP

Highlighted on the radio this morning that it's more difficult to find representative sample groups for trials in this country given everyone over 50 has been vaccinated.

TheNatalShark wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:20 pm The dumb, stupid and dirty Europeans have forced the UK to recommend under 30s get offered a vaccine other than our glorious Astrazeneca vaccine.

Aren't they stupid these dumb dirty Europeans. Fu.cking Von dumb Lieden

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56665517

Raggs wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:28 pm

TheNatalShark wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:20 pm The dumb, stupid and dirty Europeans have forced the UK to recommend under 30s get offered a vaccine other than our glorious Astrazeneca vaccine.

Aren't they stupid these dumb dirty Europeans. Fu.cking Von dumb Lieden

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56665517

Just being a little skeptical here, but could that not also be a step towards trying to ensure people continue getting vaccinated? Offering an alternative is a long way from not allowing AZ to be given. PR more than anything no?

Saint wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:36 pm

Raggs wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:28 pm

TheNatalShark wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:20 pm The dumb, stupid and dirty Europeans have forced the UK to recommend under 30s get offered a vaccine other than our glorious Astrazeneca vaccine.

Aren't they stupid these dumb dirty Europeans. Fu.cking Von dumb Lieden

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56665517

Just being a little skeptical here, but could that not also be a step towards trying to ensure people continue getting vaccinated? Offering an alternative is a long way from not allowing AZ to be given. PR more than anything no?

Realistically no AZ was going to be offered to U30s for a while anyway. Lots of 2nd doses to be delivered first.

Saint wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:36 pm

Raggs wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:28 pm

TheNatalShark wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:20 pm The dumb, stupid and dirty Europeans have forced the UK to recommend under 30s get offered a vaccine other than our glorious Astrazeneca vaccine.

Aren't they stupid these dumb dirty Europeans. Fu.cking Von dumb Lieden

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56665517

Just being a little skeptical here, but could that not also be a step towards trying to ensure people continue getting vaccinated? Offering an alternative is a long way from not allowing AZ to be given. PR more than anything no?

Realistically no AZ was going to be offered to U30s for a while anyway. Lots of 2nd doses to be delivered first.

Raggs wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:28 pm

TheNatalShark wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:20 pm The dumb, stupid and dirty Europeans have forced the UK to recommend under 30s get offered a vaccine other than our glorious Astrazeneca vaccine.

Aren't they stupid these dumb dirty Europeans. Fu.cking Von dumb Lieden

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56665517

Just being a little skeptical here, but could that not also be a step towards trying to ensure people continue getting vaccinated? Offering an alternative is a long way from not allowing AZ to be given. PR more than anything no?

Lobby wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:42 pm

Raggs wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:28 pm

TheNatalShark wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:20 pm The dumb, stupid and dirty Europeans have forced the UK to recommend under 30s get offered a vaccine other than our glorious Astrazeneca vaccine.

Aren't they stupid these dumb dirty Europeans. Fu.cking Von dumb Lieden

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56665517

Just being a little skeptical here, but could that not also be a step towards trying to ensure people continue getting vaccinated? Offering an alternative is a long way from not allowing AZ to be given. PR more than anything no?

EMA still recommending that it should continue to be used for all groups, but that blood clots should also now be listed as a very rare side effect.

People should get the AZ vaccine according to schedule, he says.
But he says people aged 18 to 29 who do not have an underlying health condition that puts them at greater risk from Covid should be offered an alternative to the AZ vaccine if one is available.

SaintK wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:50 pm

Lobby wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:42 pm

Raggs wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:28 pm

Just being a little skeptical here, but could that not also be a step towards trying to ensure people continue getting vaccinated? Offering an alternative is a long way from not allowing AZ to be given. PR more than anything no?

EMA still recommending that it should continue to be used for all groups, but that blood clots should also now be listed as a very rare side effect.

MHRA saying the same with a proviso for the under 30's

People should get the AZ vaccine according to schedule, he says.
But he says people aged 18 to 29 who do not have an underlying health condition that puts them at greater risk from Covid should be offered an alternative to the AZ vaccine if one is available.

Raggs wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:53 pm

SaintK wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:50 pm

Lobby wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:42 pm

EMA still recommending that it should continue to be used for all groups, but that blood clots should also now be listed as a very rare side effect.

MHRA saying the same with a proviso for the under 30's

People should get the AZ vaccine according to schedule, he says.
But he says people aged 18 to 29 who do not have an underlying health condition that puts them at greater risk from Covid should be offered an alternative to the AZ vaccine if one is available.

Should be offered an alternative, rather than should be given? I know it seems petty, but it's exactly the sort of wording that is important. If there was a genuine fear it would be "given".

Biffer wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:54 pm

Raggs wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:53 pm

SaintK wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:50 pm
MHRA saying the same with a proviso for the under 30's

Should be offered an alternative, rather than should be given? I know it seems petty, but it's exactly the sort of wording that is important. If there was a genuine fear it would be "given".

They said 'offered'.

Calculon wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:34 pm Why would the AZ increase the risk of blood clots to a greater extent than the other covid vaccines, especially the other adenovirus vector ones?

Raggs wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:28 pm

TheNatalShark wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:20 pm The dumb, stupid and dirty Europeans have forced the UK to recommend under 30s get offered a vaccine other than our glorious Astrazeneca vaccine.

Aren't they stupid these dumb dirty Europeans. Fu.cking Von dumb Lieden

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56665517

Just being a little skeptical here, but could that not also be a step towards trying to ensure people continue getting vaccinated? Offering an alternative is a long way from not allowing AZ to be given. PR more than anything no?

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:26 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:38 pm Ireland become the latest country to suspend the use of AZ based on what is effectively anecdotal evidence. Completely ignoring the data from now 17 million doses delivered with so signs at all of any increase in blood clotting events

Utterly bonkers

What is going on here? Political cover for delivery delays?

Sandstorm wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:57 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:04 pm And now Germany halting AZ.

Absolutely nuts. There's absolutely no evidence for this, nor is there even any theoretical explanation how the vaccine might cause it anyway

If the UK govt had any sense (pffft), they'd put Europe on the no-travel list for Summer 2021.

Ovals wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:38 pm

Saint wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:34 pm And now Spain jumps onboard the stupidity bandwagon

I wonder how many lives will be lost through this pandemic of stupidity.

Lobby wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 1:15 pm France start using the AZ vaccine again today, but having previously restricted its use to those under 65, for no good reason, and then suspending its use for no good reason, they are now restricting its use to those over 55, again for no good reason.

Biffer wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:08 pm Some EU countries are going to end up pouring AZ vaccines down the drain, aren't they?

Raggs wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:44 pm You'll be reassured no doubt by the fact that both the EMA and the MHRA have decreed that it's perfectly safe then, and that there's still not enough evidence to suggest that there's any identifiable risk factors (such as age/sex) to suggest that a group could be more vulnerable.

So yes, countries continuing to ignore the medical advice from their own bloody agencies, in terms of not halting or restricting usage of the AZ vaccine, are being bloody stupid. EMA has continuously said that such restrictions should not be in place.

TheNatalShark wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:56 pm

Raggs wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:44 pm You'll be reassured no doubt by the fact that both the EMA and the MHRA have decreed that it's perfectly safe then, and that there's still not enough evidence to suggest that there's any identifiable risk factors (such as age/sex) to suggest that a group could be more vulnerable.

So yes, countries continuing to ignore the medical advice from their own bloody agencies, in terms of not halting or restricting usage of the AZ vaccine, are being bloody stupid. EMA has continuously said that such restrictions should not be in place.

That is categorically not true though. It is an outright lie that national regulators in Europe did not provide advice to their governments regarding pauses to investigate.

The closest it got to it was when Italian and French reps publicly announced they would await the EMA's further comment, and thereafter still recommended to governments about age group restrictions on their own basis.

It is an outright and demonstrable lie, evidenced by national regulators own press releases.

Unless the national regulators are under big bad Ursula's thumb.

The director general of Italy's medicines authority, Nicola Magrini, told Italian daily newspaper la Repubblica that the decision by some European countries to suspend the rollout was a "political one".

"We got to the point of a suspension because several European countries, including Germany and France, preferred to interrupt vaccinations... to put them on hold in order to carry out checks. The choice is a political one," he said, adding that the vaccine was safe.

The WHO, the UK’s Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) and the EMA have all said there is no evidence the jab causes the problems.

Raggs wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:01 pm
https://www.irishnews.com/news/northern ... y-2256950/

The director general of Italy's medicines authority, Nicola Magrini, told Italian daily newspaper la Repubblica that the decision by some European countries to suspend the rollout was a "political one".

"We got to the point of a suspension because several European countries, including Germany and France, preferred to interrupt vaccinations... to put them on hold in order to carry out checks. The choice is a political one," he said, adding that the vaccine was safe.

The WHO, the UK’s Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) and the EMA have all said there is no evidence the jab causes the problems.

And today, they've once again said that it's safe.

TheNatalShark wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:10 pm

Raggs wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:01 pm
https://www.irishnews.com/news/northern ... y-2256950/

The director general of Italy's medicines authority, Nicola Magrini, told Italian daily newspaper la Repubblica that the decision by some European countries to suspend the rollout was a "political one".

"We got to the point of a suspension because several European countries, including Germany and France, preferred to interrupt vaccinations... to put them on hold in order to carry out checks. The choice is a political one," he said, adding that the vaccine was safe.

The WHO, the UK’s Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) and the EMA have all said there is no evidence the jab causes the problems.

And today, they've once again said that it's safe.

An outright lie and demonstrably false - here is the press release from the Paul Ehrlich Institut

https://www.pei.de/SharedDocs/FAQs/EN/c ... ended.html

Go ahead, tell me they lied and the decision was a political one.


I'm not sure why you feel the need to keep restating that it is safe.

Raggs wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:15 pm Fine, the german's advised for the pause, the italians stated it was political, and the european health agency consistently stated it was safe, and still do.

I feel the need to keep saying that, because otherwise people may start to believe that it's been found to not be safe, and I don't want that to happen, because it's important for me that as many people as possible get vaccinated.

TheNatalShark wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:20 pm The dumb, stupid and dirty Europeans have forced the UK to recommend under 30s get offered a vaccine other than our glorious Astrazeneca vaccine.

Aren't they stupid these dumb dirty Europeans. Fu.cking Von dumb Lieden

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56665517

Glaston wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:48 pm EU's constant bleating about UK not exporting vaccines may be incorrect.

"The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age can reveal Australia’s early rollout has been propped up by 717,000 doses manufactured in the UK rather than from factories in Europe as widely believed.
The first 300,000 UK-made doses landed at Sydney Airport on February 28 – one month after the European Commission introduced new curbs limiting the export of vaccines produced on the continent.
Another large batch arrived on an Emirates passenger plane in March, well after Italy and the European Commission formally blocked an application by AstraZeneca to ship 250,000 doses to Australia."

https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/ ... 57hcl.html

Glaston wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:54 pm

TheNatalShark wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:20 pm The dumb, stupid and dirty Europeans have forced the UK to recommend under 30s get offered a vaccine other than our glorious Astrazeneca vaccine.

Aren't they stupid these dumb dirty Europeans. Fu.cking Von dumb Lieden

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56665517

Just to point out Brits are European too

Saint wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:59 pm

Glaston wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:48 pm EU's constant bleating about UK not exporting vaccines may be incorrect.

"The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age can reveal Australia’s early rollout has been propped up by 717,000 doses manufactured in the UK rather than from factories in Europe as widely believed.
The first 300,000 UK-made doses landed at Sydney Airport on February 28 – one month after the European Commission introduced new curbs limiting the export of vaccines produced on the continent.
Another large batch arrived on an Emirates passenger plane in March, well after Italy and the European Commission formally blocked an application by AstraZeneca to ship 250,000 doses to Australia."

https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/ ... 57hcl.html

Ursula will go ballistic. They should have gone to the EU (in her mind)

Rinkals wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:47 am

Glaston wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:54 pm

TheNatalShark wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:20 pm The dumb, stupid and dirty Europeans have forced the UK to recommend under 30s get offered a vaccine other than our glorious Astrazeneca vaccine.

Aren't they stupid these dumb dirty Europeans. Fu.cking Von dumb Lieden

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56665517

Just to point out Brits are European too

I thought the whole point of Brexit is that they aren't?

Ovals wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:50 am

Rinkals wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:47 am

Glaston wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:54 pm

Just to point out Brits are European too

I thought the whole point of Brexit is that they aren't?

Europe is a Geographical entity. The UK left the European Union which is a political/trading entity.

Ovals wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:50 am

Rinkals wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:47 am

Glaston wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:54 pm

Just to point out Brits are European too

I thought the whole point of Brexit is that they aren't?

Europe is a Geographical identity. The UK left the European Union which is a political/trading identity.

Glaston wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:48 pm EU's constant bleating about UK not exporting vaccines may be incorrect.

"The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age can reveal Australia’s early rollout has been propped up by 717,000 doses manufactured in the UK rather than from factories in Europe as widely believed.
The first 300,000 UK-made doses landed at Sydney Airport on February 28 – one month after the European Commission introduced new curbs limiting the export of vaccines produced on the continent.
Another large batch arrived on an Emirates passenger plane in March, well after Italy and the European Commission formally blocked an application by AstraZeneca to ship 250,000 doses to Australia."

https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/ ... 57hcl.html

Ovals wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:50 am

Rinkals wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:47 am

Glaston wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:54 pm

Just to point out Brits are European too

I thought the whole point of Brexit is that they aren't?

Europe is a Geographical identity. The UK left the European Union which is a political/trading identity.

TheNatalShark wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:14 am

Ovals wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:50 am

Rinkals wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:47 am

I thought the whole point of Brexit is that they aren't?

Europe is a Geographical identity. The UK left the European Union which is a political/trading identity.

We aren't European. Europeans are a homogeneous group of people living under a single political bloc which behaves in a uniform fashion. Any attempted distinction between the people, national governments or bodies and the EU is pretty much meaningless.