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Saint wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:59 pm

Glaston wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:48 pm EU's constant bleating about UK not exporting vaccines may be incorrect.

"The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age can reveal Australia’s early rollout has been propped up by 717,000 doses manufactured in the UK rather than from factories in Europe as widely believed.
The first 300,000 UK-made doses landed at Sydney Airport on February 28 – one month after the European Commission introduced new curbs limiting the export of vaccines produced on the continent.
Another large batch arrived on an Emirates passenger plane in March, well after Italy and the European Commission formally blocked an application by AstraZeneca to ship 250,000 doses to Australia."

https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/ ... 57hcl.html

Ursula will go ballistic. They should have gone to the EU (in her mind)

tc27 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:42 am

Saint wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:59 pm

Glaston wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:48 pm EU's constant bleating about UK not exporting vaccines may be incorrect.

"The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age can reveal Australia’s early rollout has been propped up by 717,000 doses manufactured in the UK rather than from factories in Europe as widely believed.
The first 300,000 UK-made doses landed at Sydney Airport on February 28 – one month after the European Commission introduced new curbs limiting the export of vaccines produced on the continent.
Another large batch arrived on an Emirates passenger plane in March, well after Italy and the European Commission formally blocked an application by AstraZeneca to ship 250,000 doses to Australia."

https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/ ... 57hcl.html

Ursula will go ballistic. They should have gone to the EU (in her mind)

Its entirely possible the UK agreed to meet Australia's AZ order from its own stocks as part of the deal to avoid an export ban on PZ from the EU - no-one is discussing details though.

yermum wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:18 am Pure hearsay anecdotal etc so salt needed. My friend, a scottish renal consultant says her dept has had three deaths in the last couple of weeks. All young women within 2 weeks of AZ vaccination.

Her take is there is a bigger problem with AZ then we are seeing atm

Saint wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:30 am

yermum wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:18 am Pure hearsay anecdotal etc so salt needed. My friend, a scottish renal consultant says her dept has had three deaths in the last couple of weeks. All young women within 2 weeks of AZ vaccination.

Her take is there is a bigger problem with AZ then we are seeing atm

So she's saying AZ is causing kidney failure?

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:45 am

Saint wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:30 am

yermum wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:18 am Pure hearsay anecdotal etc so salt needed. My friend, a scottish renal consultant says her dept has had three deaths in the last couple of weeks. All young women within 2 weeks of AZ vaccination.

Her take is there is a bigger problem with AZ then we are seeing atm

So she's saying AZ is causing kidney failure?

Friend been in hospital feeling unwell since last week. Diagnosed as arrhythmia. He had no symptoms before and cardiac consultant has told him yesterday that he believes it has been caused by his AZ vaccination.

Saint wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:48 am

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:45 am

Saint wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:30 am


So she's saying AZ is causing kidney failure?

Friend been in hospital feeling unwell since last week. Diagnosed as arrhythmia. He had no symptoms before and cardiac consultant has told him yesterday that he believes it has been caused by his AZ vaccination.

Dear god............

Saint wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:30 am

yermum wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:18 am Pure hearsay anecdotal etc so salt needed. My friend, a scottish renal consultant says her dept has had three deaths in the last couple of weeks. All young women within 2 weeks of AZ vaccination.

Her take is there is a bigger problem with AZ then we are seeing atm

So she's saying AZ is causing kidney failure?

Saint wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:48 am

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:45 am

Saint wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:30 am


So she's saying AZ is causing kidney failure?

Friend been in hospital feeling unwell since last week. Diagnosed as arrhythmia. He had no symptoms before and cardiac consultant has told him yesterday that he believes it has been caused by his AZ vaccination.

Dear god............

TheNatalShark wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:03 pm Some good news, Germany sees the results of finally allowing GPs to administer doses and effectively doubles the previous highest rate of daily jabs. Hopefully they can work through the backlog before delivery rates increase

tc27 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:34 pm

TheNatalShark wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:03 pm Some good news, Germany sees the results of finally allowing GPs to administer doses and effectively doubles the previous highest rate of daily jabs. Hopefully they can work through the backlog before delivery rates increase

Looks like supply bottlenecks are easing up now.

Over 500k doses in the UK today.

tc27 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:34 pm
Looks like supply bottlenecks are easing up now.

Over 500k doses in the UK today.

The Druid wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:52 pm

tc27 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:34 pm

TheNatalShark wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:03 pm Some good news, Germany sees the results of finally allowing GPs to administer doses and effectively doubles the previous highest rate of daily jabs. Hopefully they can work through the backlog before delivery rates increase

Looks like supply bottlenecks are easing up now.

Over 500k doses in the UK today.

Any Links?

Lobby wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:23 pm Although Slovakia ordered 200,000 doses of the Sputnik vaccine last month, it has not yet used any.

Reuters are reporting that the Slovak National drug agency SUKL has said it can't determine that the vaccine is safe because of "missing data, inconsistency of dosage forms, and (the) impossibility of mutually comparing batches used in various studies and countries,”

It is also being reported in Slovak media that the Slovak batch of Sputnik V is not identical to one used in a trial whose results were published in the Lancet magazine in February, and which Slovak experts had used as an argument for using the vaccine.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN2BU1X7

If the Sputnik vaccines being delivered are different to those used in trials, it must raise concerns about its efficacy.

Lobby wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:57 pm

Lobby wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:23 pm Although Slovakia ordered 200,000 doses of the Sputnik vaccine last month, it has not yet used any.

Reuters are reporting that the Slovak National drug agency SUKL has said it can't determine that the vaccine is safe because of "missing data, inconsistency of dosage forms, and (the) impossibility of mutually comparing batches used in various studies and countries,”

It is also being reported in Slovak media that the Slovak batch of Sputnik V is not identical to one used in a trial whose results were published in the Lancet magazine in February, and which Slovak experts had used as an argument for using the vaccine.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN2BU1X7

If the Sputnik vaccines being delivered are different to those used in trials, it must raise concerns about its efficacy.

A little update.

“Russia has demanded Slovakia return a batch of Sputnik V vaccines which Slovakia had quality concerns over. Russia says Slovakia breached contract by testing the vaccines in an unaccredited laboratory and accused the country of launching a disinfo campaign against the jab.”

Saint wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:31 pm

The Druid wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:52 pm

tc27 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:34 pm

Looks like supply bottlenecks are easing up now.

Over 500k doses in the UK today.

Any Links?

Covid dashboard showing 507K doses yesterday, 408K of which were second doses. Good numbers, but only 800K doses were delivered across the 4 day Easter break, so some catching up to do

Glaston wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:22 am The Halix plant in Holland.

All those reports last week of it being seed funded by the UK. £20 something million was the figure.



“In the discussion I had at the beginning with the CEO of AstraZeneca, I understood, he told me, that the ramp up of Halix has been financed by the British government,” Breton said. “And it happens that when I went to visit the site and I asked how much they’re received from the British government, the chairman and the CEO were there and they told me ‘zero’. So in fact, I asked three times a question and I got three times the same answer.”

That's Thierry Breton the EU's vaccine commissar.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... s-brussels


Odd!

Raggs wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:22 am

Glaston wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:22 am The Halix plant in Holland.

All those reports last week of it being seed funded by the UK. £20 something million was the figure.



“In the discussion I had at the beginning with the CEO of AstraZeneca, I understood, he told me, that the ramp up of Halix has been financed by the British government,” Breton said. “And it happens that when I went to visit the site and I asked how much they’re received from the British government, the chairman and the CEO were there and they told me ‘zero’. So in fact, I asked three times a question and I got three times the same answer.”

That's Thierry Breton the EU's vaccine commissar.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... s-brussels


Odd!

Would the plant have got the funds from the government? Surely they'd have got the funds from AZ?

Saint wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:21 am

Raggs wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:22 am

Glaston wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:22 am The Halix plant in Holland.

All those reports last week of it being seed funded by the UK. £20 something million was the figure.



“In the discussion I had at the beginning with the CEO of AstraZeneca, I understood, he told me, that the ramp up of Halix has been financed by the British government,” Breton said. “And it happens that when I went to visit the site and I asked how much they’re received from the British government, the chairman and the CEO were there and they told me ‘zero’. So in fact, I asked three times a question and I got three times the same answer.”

That's Thierry Breton the EU's vaccine commissar.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... s-brussels


Odd!

Would the plant have got the funds from the government? Surely they'd have got the funds from AZ?

At the time I think it would have been via the Jenner Institute. Thierry Breton has been pretty disingenuous in his public statements since his appointment as EU vaccine Tsar

Lobby wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:30 am

Saint wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:21 am

Raggs wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:22 am

Would the plant have got the funds from the government? Surely they'd have got the funds from AZ?

At the time I think it would have been via the Jenner Institute. Thierry Breton has been pretty disingenuous in his public statements since his appointment as EU vaccine Tsar

The same article states:

"Oxford University, which was given more than £65.5m in additional UK government funding last year to work on its vaccine, has been in a commercial relationship with the Halix plant since April 2020"

So any funding would have been from Oxford (as you say, the Jenner Institute), and not directly from the UK Government, even if that was the ultimate source of the funding.

Mahoney wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:22 am Good write up of the AZ clot thing:
https://unherd.com/thepost/on-the-astra ... bd718fbf57

shaggy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:51 pm https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... s-brussels

What an incredible odd news article.

shaggy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:51 pm https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... s-brussels

What an incredible odd news article.

Saint wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:57 pm

shaggy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:51 pm https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... s-brussels

What an incredible odd news article.

I can only imagine that there's a dodgy translation somewhere in all of that; but even then it's an odd piece to write - anyway the obvious riposte is that the EU might be thanking the UK for getting the Halix plant up to speed (ignoring the whole thing about capital investment, the current production rate is down to us sending a team over there to get it sorted).

Anyway, the UK delivered another 545K doses yesterday, of which 449K were second doses

Saint wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:57 pm

shaggy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:51 pm https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... s-brussels

What an incredible odd news article.

I can only imagine that there's a dodgy translation somewhere in all of that; but even then it's an odd piece to write - anyway the obvious riposte is that the EU might be thanking the UK for getting the Halix plant up to speed (ignoring the whole thing about capital investment, the current production rate is down to us sending a team over there to get it sorted).

Anyway, the UK delivered another 545K doses yesterday, of which 449K were second doses

shaggy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:51 pm https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... s-brussels

What an incredible odd news article.

He said the UK had chosen a company to produce the Oxford vaccine that “had the advantage of being based in Britain, but no real experience in vaccine production … And we’re seeing today what that means.” Well why did you buy AZ then

The EU would “not let Britain down”, he said. “My sole objective is to make sure Europe produces the vaccines, for us and our friends, because this is a pandemic. But I think people will understand that we will put ourselves first, then our friends – albeit with a very short space of time between the two.”

Breton said the European commission and AstraZeneca had signed a “best efforts” contract relying on five factories, including two in the UK, “a few days” before Britain had signed its deal, which he said he had not seen.

“I’m told the British health minister has said the UK has an ‘exclusivity contract’,” he said. “But I cannot imagine the company took the legal risk of signing an ‘exclusivity’ contract just after signing a ‘best efforts’ contract. That seems to me very dangerous legally. I cannot think it is the reality.”

Fresh blow for AstraZeneca as vaccine is linked to another dangerous blood condition in Europe - while regulators review four cases of brain clots linked to Johnson and Johnson's single-dose jab that UK has bought 30million doses of

Five cases of capillary leak syndrome reported after AZ vaccine on continent
Condition sees blood leak from tiny vessels into muscles and body cavities
J&J vaccine also linked to four cases of brain clots, one of which was fatal

Fangle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:44 pm I haven’t noticed any comments about the Moderna vaccine. Is it only being administered in the US?

Fangle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:44 pm I haven’t noticed any comments about the Moderna vaccine. Is it only being administered in the US?

Fangle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:44 pm I haven’t noticed any comments about the Moderna vaccine. Is it only being administered in the US?

Saint wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:01 pm

Fangle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 8:44 pm I haven’t noticed any comments about the Moderna vaccine. Is it only being administered in the US?

Moderna has serious scale issues. The enormous bulk of manufacturing capacity is in the US, from where it can;t be exported. The EU and UK both have access to much smaller production from Switzerland; it accounts for around 10%-ish of EU delivery, and we just got first access to it in the UK this last week (it wasn;t on our pre-purchase list, not least because it was recognised they didn't have scale). They're investing heavily, but Moderna estimate it takes 9-12 months to bring a new facility online for production, so they're talking about 1.4 billion doses produced in 2022. Total 2021 production will be a fairly small fraction of that