Re: The Official English Rugby Thread
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2022 1:44 pm
Jack Willis called up to cover Tom Curry.
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Too soon? I thought he understandably looked a bit tentative yesterday.
Yup. Only a few games back from a little over a year out, I'm not sure the national set up, let alone playing France, is really what he needs.
Lets hope this weeks training is of the gentle kind.
I'm not his biggest fan but I thought he came across well and had some good points. Have to say I agree with Warburton about England as wellsockwithaticket wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 8:02 pm Cipriani interesting and frank on England's attack on the beeb pod today.
Yes, thought he was good on Rugby Special as well. I find it hard to believe some of these game analysts that make it incredibly complicated - I just don't think players can digest that much information in a fast game, but he simplified it really well.Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:56 amI'm not his biggest fan but I thought he came across well and had some good points. Have to say I agree with Warburton about England as wellsockwithaticket wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 8:02 pm Cipriani interesting and frank on England's attack on the beeb pod today.
Since he was a kid coming into the seniors he's rarely deviated. He wants players on their feet offering options or understanding how they support those offering options. In this he's an excellent thinker on the game, he might even go on to be an exceptional coach. Whereas many of his coaches think he distracts from defence and one out plays that stabilise a teamsockwithaticket wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 8:02 pm Cipriani interesting and frank on England's attack on the beeb pod today.
Lynagh might slot straight in. Or Marchant again. But who knows with EddieHal Jordan wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 2:43 pm Hooker is a merry-go-round at the moment. Basically whoever is fit out of LCD or George, plus whichever third banana Jones has settled on this week.
Fucking Daly over Malins.
How? It's overrun. Every season less than £150k over. Dealt with in the overrun laws set out and agreed to by the clubs. It's a bit bigger than the others (can definitely be argued to perhaps be less of an accident than Quins/Wasps), but still within the "accepted" breach limits.
There's always going to be travelling reserves in a team, it hopefully just means Alfie is really close.sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:14 pm On the squad, I'm happy to get Willis back at Wasps. Will be annoyed if England hold onto Barbeary and don't use him again.
Underhill must have shown up well in training, because he's had less game time than Willis since his concussion break and wasn't exactly in eye-catching form before taking several weeks off. Not that his Bath form has often been an indicator of how he performs in a white jersey.
Would love an insight into the thinking that Blamire should suddenly make way for Dolly.
Substantially less than the Sarries overspends.Raggs wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:06 pmHow? It's overrun. Every season less than £150k over. Dealt with in the overrun laws set out and agreed to by the clubs. It's a bit bigger than the others (can definitely be argued to perhaps be less of an accident than Quins/Wasps), but still within the "accepted" breach limits.
From watching the recent Quins v Newcastle game, the Newcastle hooker who should be pushing into the England squad is Mcguigan.sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:14 pm On the squad, I'm happy to get Willis back at Wasps. Will be annoyed if England hold onto Barbeary and don't use him again.
Underhill must have shown up well in training, because he's had less game time than Willis since his concussion break and wasn't exactly in eye-catching form before taking several weeks off. Not that his Bath form has often been an indicator of how he performs in a white jersey.
Would love an insight into the thinking that Blamire should suddenly make way for Dolly.
https://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/premiers ... tory.shtml
It differs because there are laws in place that deal with overruns upto £350k per season. With fixed punishments for infringements within those parameters. They have broken the cap, and are being dealt with exactly how the laws in place say they should be dealt with.Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:32 pmhttps://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/premiers ... tory.shtml
Not clear how this differs from Sarries. The numbers are all material even if not as large a total as Sarries so surely points deductions should come into it too?
Link?Raggs wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:37 pmIt differs because there are laws in place that deal with overruns upto £350k per season. With fixed punishments for infringements within those parameters. They have broken the cap, and are being dealt with exactly how the laws in place say they should be dealt with.Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:32 pmhttps://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/premiers ... tory.shtml
Not clear how this differs from Sarries. The numbers are all material even if not as large a total as Sarries so surely points deductions should come into it too?
Tigers, miraculously, appear to have regularly overspent just below the limit that could have led to a points deduction or worse. Had they been investigated under current rules, and not those in place at the time, they'd be in big trouble.
Flats and Topsy had a discussion about that on the Premiership Review on Sunday. Without being disrespectful to Blamire, Flats stated that he couldn't understand how Blamire was currently the No2 hooker available to England when he wasnt even No 1 at Falcons.Dinsdale Piranha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:28 pmFrom watching the recent Quins v Newcastle game, the Newcastle hooker who should be pushing into the England squad is Mcguigan.sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:14 pm On the squad, I'm happy to get Willis back at Wasps. Will be annoyed if England hold onto Barbeary and don't use him again.
Underhill must have shown up well in training, because he's had less game time than Willis since his concussion break and wasn't exactly in eye-catching form before taking several weeks off. Not that his Bath form has often been an indicator of how he performs in a white jersey.
Would love an insight into the thinking that Blamire should suddenly make way for Dolly.
just over 300k fine heading their wayTorquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:45 pmLink?Raggs wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:37 pmIt differs because there are laws in place that deal with overruns upto £350k per season. With fixed punishments for infringements within those parameters. They have broken the cap, and are being dealt with exactly how the laws in place say they should be dealt with.Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:32 pm
https://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/premiers ... tory.shtml
Not clear how this differs from Sarries. The numbers are all material even if not as large a total as Sarries so surely points deductions should come into it too?
Cheers.
{EDIT} That seems like an open invite to breach the cap by £349,999 per season.
Can't find a link for the actual regulations but this is a breakdownTorquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:45 pmLink?Raggs wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:37 pmIt differs because there are laws in place that deal with overruns upto £350k per season. With fixed punishments for infringements within those parameters. They have broken the cap, and are being dealt with exactly how the laws in place say they should be dealt with.Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:32 pm
https://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/premiers ... tory.shtml
Not clear how this differs from Sarries. The numbers are all material even if not as large a total as Sarries so surely points deductions should come into it too?
Cheers.
{EDIT} That seems like an open invite to breach the cap by £349,999 per season.
These third-party payments triggered a breach of the salary cap in each of the seasons between 2016-17 and 2019-20.
The club accepted the findings, and as such there will be no appeal.
Tigers were fined a sum based on the total 'overrun' they accrued across the four seasons of the breach, in which they paid 50p for every £1 of overspend up to a ceiling of £50,000, with the full payment required for the rest.
The club were fined £122,750 for 2016-17, £64,718.05 for 2017-18, £30,886.69 for 2018-19 and £73,586.32 for 2019-20.
There was also a further fine of £17,900 for failing to declare payments for the 2020-21 season, in which there no breach of the cap.
In total Leicester have been ordered to pay £309,841.06.
Always hard to see any logic in what Eddie does but the inclusion of Furbank may mean that he'll go for a 6/2 bench with Furbank covering FB/Wing/FH. Leaving Daly as a starter, possibly on the wing - unless Lynagh jumps straight in, which ahs to be unlikely. Doesn't fill me with any enthusiasm whatsoever but at least that would see Barbeary getting a shot off the bench.Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 2:46 pmLynagh might slot straight in. Or Marchant again. But who knows with EddieHal Jordan wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 2:43 pm Hooker is a merry-go-round at the moment. Basically whoever is fit out of LCD or George, plus whichever third banana Jones has settled on this week.
Fucking Daly over Malins.
I know, it just feels like a waste for him not to be getting game time when in such a rich vein of form.Raggs wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:18 pmThere's always going to be travelling reserves in a team, it hopefully just means Alfie is really close.sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:14 pm On the squad, I'm happy to get Willis back at Wasps. Will be annoyed if England hold onto Barbeary and don't use him again.
Underhill must have shown up well in training, because he's had less game time than Willis since his concussion break and wasn't exactly in eye-catching form before taking several weeks off. Not that his Bath form has often been an indicator of how he performs in a white jersey.
Would love an insight into the thinking that Blamire should suddenly make way for Dolly.
That lad is a worrying candidate for long term brain damage. How many now? 4 in a few months?sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:14 pm Underhill must have shown up well in training, because he's had less game time than Willis since his concussion break and wasn't exactly in eye-catching form before taking several weeks off. Not that his Bath form has often been an indicator of how he performs in a white jersey.
If he's looking at Daly as a left winger that's fine. He's a better winger than Malins, it gets Nowell back on the right wing, makes it harder to kick to England. Malins might still offer something at 15, or on the bench, but wing is thus far looking a bit of an issue for him, especially with other slow(er) players in the back three
flip side to that is it's allowed some rest for a young player who it'd be easy to play for too many minutessockwithaticket wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:53 pmI know, it just feels like a waste for him not to be getting game time when in such a rich vein of form.Raggs wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:18 pmThere's always going to be travelling reserves in a team, it hopefully just means Alfie is really close.sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:14 pm On the squad, I'm happy to get Willis back at Wasps. Will be annoyed if England hold onto Barbeary and don't use him again.
Underhill must have shown up well in training, because he's had less game time than Willis since his concussion break and wasn't exactly in eye-catching form before taking several weeks off. Not that his Bath form has often been an indicator of how he performs in a white jersey.
Would love an insight into the thinking that Blamire should suddenly make way for Dolly.
I really don't mind England taking on a punt on a player they perceive as having a much higher ceiling, especially when we're talking about the 3rd, possibly 4th choice in lineSaintK wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:45 pmFlats and Topsy had a discussion about that on the Premiership Review on Sunday. Without being disrespectful to Blamire, Flats stated that he couldn't understand how Blamire was currently the No2 hooker available to England when he wasnt even No 1 at Falcons.Dinsdale Piranha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:28 pmFrom watching the recent Quins v Newcastle game, the Newcastle hooker who should be pushing into the England squad is Mcguigan.sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:14 pm On the squad, I'm happy to get Willis back at Wasps. Will be annoyed if England hold onto Barbeary and don't use him again.
Underhill must have shown up well in training, because he's had less game time than Willis since his concussion break and wasn't exactly in eye-catching form before taking several weeks off. Not that his Bath form has often been an indicator of how he performs in a white jersey.
Would love an insight into the thinking that Blamire should suddenly make way for Dolly.
With a bit more conditiong work he could be another L C-D. Perhaps Jones took an instant dislike to him on the one time he trained with England a few years back.
Yep - get a proper winger in, drop Daly entirely, and have Malins on the bench covering mulitple positions - just doesn't make any sense for him to go from starting to being left out entirely - albeit he did very little in the last game - zero metres with ball in hand !!Kawazaki wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 4:13 pm The infuriating thing for me regards Malins is that he's a brilliant fullback/2nd receiver or standby flyhalf but he's being shoehorned onto the wing where he only gets to employ a fraction of his ability. Meanwhile, Furlong is the one regarded as the 15/10 option.
It's just more Eddiot selection madness.
Daly isn't a proper winger?Ovals wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 4:24 pmYep - get a proper winger in, drop Daly entirely, and have Malins on the bench covering mulitple positions - just doesn't make any sense for him to go from starting to being left out entirely - albeit he did very little in the last game - zero metres with ball in hand !!Kawazaki wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 4:13 pm The infuriating thing for me regards Malins is that he's a brilliant fullback/2nd receiver or standby flyhalf but he's being shoehorned onto the wing where he only gets to employ a fraction of his ability. Meanwhile, Furlong is the one regarded as the 15/10 option.
It's just more Eddiot selection madness.