DT Cryptic Crossword - Wednesday - Plus A Toughie Clue
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:57 am
NPR
A place where escape goats go to play
https://notplanetrugby.com/
DT Cryptic Crossword - Wednesday - Plus A Toughie Clue
Page 1 of 2
Re: DT Cryptic Crossword - Wednesday
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:09 am
Early morning puzzlers. Dry start to the day. 1A
Spoiler
Show
UPBRAID
Re: DT Cryptic Crossword - Wednesday
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 3:49 am
Hello Globus. And thanks. Partly cloudy, 31° in Osaka.
14D
14D
Spoiler
Show
DEACTIVATE
Re: DT Cryptic Crossword - Wednesday
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 3:49 am
27A
Spoiler
Show
BAYONET
Re: DT Cryptic Crossword - Wednesday
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 3:55 am
29A
Spoiler
Show
CELLIST
Re: DT Cryptic Crossword - Wednesday
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 3:58 am
17D
Spoiler
Show
DUST BOWL
Re: DT Cryptic Crossword - Wednesday
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:05 am
EDIT: 18D
Spoiler
Show
SEAMLESS
Re: DT Cryptic Crossword - Wednesday
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:08 am
Hi FK. Warmish night here. I don't need that much sleep, hence early start. "The Mangement" is safely tucked up in bed with the dog (Hattie).
Nothing to frighten the horses with this one. A bit of a 25A
Nothing to frighten the horses with this one. A bit of a 25A
Spoiler
Show
DEAD DUCK
Re: DT Cryptic Crossword - Wednesday
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:09 am
That's 18D. 17D is
Spoiler
Show
DUST BOWL
Re: DT Cryptic Crossword - Wednesday
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:10 am
That's 18D. 17D is
Spoiler
Show
DUST BOWL
Re: DT Cryptic Crossword - Wednesday
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:10 am
21A
Spoiler
Show
USED
Re: DT Cryptic Crossword - Wednesday
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:12 am
7D Might start with a G or a W. Going for G.
Re: DT Cryptic Crossword - Wednesday
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:12 am
Re: DT Cryptic Crossword - Wednesday
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:14 am
11A is not a blonde.
Re: DT Cryptic Crossword - Wednesday
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 5:25 am
Greetings all - 33C and sunny
23D
4D
13A
24A
3D
23D
Spoiler
Show
OLD HAT
Spoiler
Show
INFRACTION
Spoiler
Show
CLOUDBURST
Spoiler
Show
IN TIME
Spoiler
Show
RETREATS
Re: DT Cryptic Crossword - Wednesday
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 5:35 am
7D
Spoiler
Show
GAITERS
Re: DT Cryptic Crossword - Wednesday
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:24 am
Good morning. Cloudless 17º C
9A
6D
8D
9A
Spoiler
Show
DETONATE
Spoiler
Show
HOBNOB
Spoiler
Show
MEMENTO
Re: DT Cryptic Crossword - Wednesday
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:25 am
11A
11D
Spoiler
Show
BRUNETTE
Spoiler
Show
BOOTBLACK
Re: DT Cryptic Crossword - Wednesday
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:36 am
12A
15A
16A
22A
Spoiler
Show
BODEGA
Spoiler
Show
DAFT
Spoiler
Show
SAILBOARD
Spoiler
Show
EYE CONTACT
Re: DT Cryptic Crossword - Wednesday
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:42 am
5D
20D
Spoiler
Show
HEIR
Spoiler
Show
RETAILER
Re: DT Cryptic Crossword - Wednesday
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:55 am
10A
2D
Spoiler
Show
FORTIFY
Spoiler
Show
PROPOSAL
Re: DT Cryptic Crossword - Wednesday
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:18 am
Wish I understood cryptic crosswords. Even knowing the answers I can't see it...
Is there something simple I am missing, or am I just simply missing?
Is there something simple I am missing, or am I just simply missing?
Re: DT Cryptic Crossword - Wednesday
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 10:48 am
Hello Grandpa. It's like learning a new language and it takes time. Best to look at some of the answers and ask a member of the crossword team on here to give an explanation.Grandpa wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:18 am Wish I understood cryptic crosswords. Even knowing the answers I can't see it...
Is there something simple I am missing, or am I just simply missing?
Armed with this you will learn the basics.
Re: DT Cryptic Crossword - Wednesday
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 12:34 pm
As an example I figured out 14D as follows. There's probably much more elegant ways of seeing the clue!Grandpa wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:18 am Wish I understood cryptic crosswords. Even knowing the answers I can't see it...
Is there something simple I am missing, or am I just simply missing?
Spoiler
Show
I realized that "iced tea" was likely to be a partial anagram because of the word "cocktail". This led me to think that the first part of the clue, "Take out of service" was probably a definition of the missing word. My challenge was that "iced tea" was too short to be a full anagram, and a couple of letters would have to come from a different part of the clue, likely to be the "tax" part. The only tax I know from the UK is the VA (is that right?). So I thought those were the two letters I needed to add to "iced tea" and start messing around with to find my solution. Because the "take out of service" just screams "de-something" it didn't take me long to untangle the rest of the letters to DEACTIVATE
Re: DT Cryptic Crossword - Wednesday
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 12:44 pm
Looking at FujiKiwi's explanation I think I may have to retire now, so that I can focus all my energies into this. Cryptic seems to be an understatement. Surely this is how the Enigma code was broken?Globus wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 10:48 amHello Grandpa. It's like learning a new language and it takes time. Best to look at some of the answers and ask a member of the crossword team on here to give an explanation.Grandpa wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:18 am Wish I understood cryptic crosswords. Even knowing the answers I can't see it...
Is there something simple I am missing, or am I just simply missing?
Armed with this you will learn the basics.
Re: DT Cryptic Crossword - Wednesday
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 12:49 pm
Thanks FK. Hell of an explanation! Not sure it helps...FujiKiwi wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 12:34 pmAs an example I figured out 14D as follows. There's probably much more elegant ways of seeing the clue!Grandpa wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:18 am Wish I understood cryptic crosswords. Even knowing the answers I can't see it...
Is there something simple I am missing, or am I just simply missing?
That process looks tortuous, and to be honest it all took place over in about a twenty second burst. I bet the old campaigners here would have seen it almost instantly.SpoilerShowI realized that "iced tea" was likely to be a partial anagram because of the word "cocktail". This led me to think that the first part of the clue, "Take out of service" was probably a definition of the missing word. My challenge was that "iced tea" was too short to be a full anagram, and a couple of letters would have to come from a different part of the clue, likely to be the "tax" part. The only tax I know from the UK is the VA (is that right?). So I thought those were the two letters I needed to add to "iced tea" and start messing around with to find my solution. Because the "take out of service" just screams "de-something" it didn't take me long to untangle the rest of the letters to DEACTIVATE
We call it VAT. But that works too. As for Take out of Service screaming de-something. I guess it's a mind-set you guys get into...
So we have DE and VAT.... where did ACTI and "E" come from?
Re: DT Cryptic Crossword - Wednesday
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:18 pm
Not quite! I have links to that having worked with Tony Sale at Bletchley Park. My hero is Alan Turing.Grandpa wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 12:44 pmLooking at FujiKiwi's explanation I think I may have to retire now, so that I can focus all my energies into this. Cryptic seems to be an understatement. Surely this is how the Enigma code was broken?Globus wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 10:48 amHello Grandpa. It's like learning a new language and it takes time. Best to look at some of the answers and ask a member of the crossword team on here to give an explanation.Grandpa wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:18 am Wish I understood cryptic crosswords. Even knowing the answers I can't see it...
Is there something simple I am missing, or am I just simply missing?
Armed with this you will learn the basics.
14D The tax is VAT and around it an anagram of ICED TEA.
Re: DT Cryptic Crossword - Wednesday
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:23 pm
Now this IS rather good. It's from Elgar's Enigma Variations and Elgar is a great crossword setter (and a pal of mine).
Re: DT Cryptic Crossword - Wednesday
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:31 pm
On the composer theme, have a go at 12A in the Toughie today.
Eminent composer accepting large maiden causes big confusion (9)
Re: DT Cryptic Crossword - Wednesday
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:57 pm
Globus wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:31 pm On the composer theme, have a go at 12A in the Toughie today.
Eminent composer accepting large maiden causes big confusion (9)
Spoiler
Show
= maelstrom > maestro with 'L' inside + ' m'
Re: DT Cryptic Crossword - Wednesday
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:03 pm
Yep, TB. Let's hope it doesn't put Grandpa off!!tabascoboy wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:57 pmGlobus wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:31 pm On the composer theme, have a go at 12A in the Toughie today.
Eminent composer accepting large maiden causes big confusion (9)SpoilerShow= maelstrom > maestro with 'L' inside + ' m'
Re: DT Cryptic Crossword - Wednesday
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:23 pm
Ahhh thanks. That makes more sense.Globus wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:18 pmNot quite! I have links to that having worked with Tony Sale at Bletchley Park. My hero is Alan Turing.Grandpa wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 12:44 pmLooking at FujiKiwi's explanation I think I may have to retire now, so that I can focus all my energies into this. Cryptic seems to be an understatement. Surely this is how the Enigma code was broken?Globus wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 10:48 am
Hello Grandpa. It's like learning a new language and it takes time. Best to look at some of the answers and ask a member of the crossword team on here to give an explanation.
Armed with this you will learn the basics.
14D The tax is VAT and around it an anagram of ICED TEA.
Turing is indeed a hero. I lived near Bletchley Park many many years ago... before I knew who he was... behind all the inspiration and brilliance... what a tragically sad story...
Re: DT Cryptic Crossword - Wednesday
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:34 pm
No. But would like to understand. Maelstrom for confusion makes sense? With L standing for Large and M for Maiden? That bit I find difficult to understand.Globus wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:03 pmYep, TB. Let's hope it doesn't put Grandpa off!!tabascoboy wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:57 pmGlobus wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:31 pm On the composer theme, have a go at 12A in the Toughie today.
SpoilerShow= maelstrom > maestro with 'L' inside + ' m'
Eminent composer accepting large maiden causes big confusion (9)
Re: DT Cryptic Crossword - Wednesday
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:10 pm
The "Eminent composer" is a MAESTRO.Grandpa wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:34 pmNo. But would like to understand. Maelstrom for confusion makes sense? With L standing for Large and M for Maiden? That bit I find difficult to understand.
Eminent composer accepting large maiden causes big confusion (9)
Re: DT Cryptic Crossword - Wednesday
Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:47 pm
Yes, sorry I get that.... I just don't get the L and M bit...Globus wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:10 pmThe "Eminent composer" is a MAESTRO.Grandpa wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:34 pmNo. But would like to understand. Maelstrom for confusion makes sense? With L standing for Large and M for Maiden? That bit I find difficult to understand.
Eminent composer accepting large maiden causes big confusion (9)
Think I better shut up before I become annoying...
Re: DT Cryptic Crossword - Wednesday
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:41 am
Yes, 'L' = large, and 'M' for maiden ( from cricket usage I suppose ).Grandpa wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:47 pm
Yes, sorry I get that.... I just don't get the L and M bit...
Think I better shut up before I become annoying...
There are dozens of abbreviations used in clues, e.g.
O = nothing
P = quiet, F = loud (from music)
RE, OR = Royal Engineers, Ordinary Ranks (men) from military
H = husband
B = bishop
ER = the Queen or royal
T = time
The compass points N,E,S,W
X or Y = unknown
These are the most common ones but there are many more
Re: DT Cryptic Crossword - Wednesday
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:31 am
Thanks for this. I'm beginning to think I just suffer from a lack of educationtabascoboy wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:41 amYes, 'L' = large, and 'M' for maiden ( from cricket usage I suppose ).Grandpa wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:47 pm
Yes, sorry I get that.... I just don't get the L and M bit...
Think I better shut up before I become annoying...
There are dozens of abbreviations used in clues, e.g.
O = nothing
P = quiet, F = loud (from music)
RE, OR = Royal Engineers, Ordinary Ranks (men) from military
H = husband
B = bishop
ER = the Queen or royal
T = time
The compass points N,E,S,W
X or Y = unknown
These are the most common ones but there are many more
Re: DT Cryptic Crossword - Wednesday
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:52 am
Not always about education but an ability to remember useless facts!Grandpa wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:31 am
Thanks for this. I'm beginning to think I just suffer from a lack of education
Re: DT Cryptic Crossword - Wednesday
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:05 am
I know a lot of useless facts! In fact more useless facts than useful facts...tabascoboy wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:52 amNot always about education but an ability to remember useless facts!Grandpa wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:31 am
Thanks for this. I'm beginning to think I just suffer from a lack of education
But I shall continue to observe... until one day... I may be able to correctly guess one... though I would say 50% of the words in the spoiler answers, I have not heard of before. Must have a small vocabulary.
(And to be fair I find normal crosswords hard enough!)
Re: DT Cryptic Crossword - Wednesday
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 11:11 am
Despair you not (a bit of Yoda).Grandpa wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:05 amI know a lot of useless facts! In fact more useless facts than useful facts...tabascoboy wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:52 amNot always about education but an ability to remember useless facts!Grandpa wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:31 am
Thanks for this. I'm beginning to think I just suffer from a lack of education
But I shall continue to observe... until one day... I may be able to correctly guess one... though I would say 50% of the words in the spoiler answers, I have not heard of before. Must have a small vocabulary.
(And to be fair I find normal crosswords hard enough!)
Fellas. We need to provide the parses. I confess to being the worst at this. We need to give Grandpa a bit of a lift. (I used to design them)!
You meet a decent sort of poster on these threads Grandpa. Very pleased to have you in the "team".