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Posted: **Tue Aug 10, 2021 10:17 pm**

What's the timeline, anyone know how it's going to unfold?

Posted: **Tue Aug 10, 2021 10:38 pm**

Barely seems worth it. We'll just get 12 months of 'Justice' armbands.

Best to move on

Posted: **Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:15 am**

No, he needs to be banned from all rugby for at least a year. I think World Rugby have to cut the central grant to South Africa as their way of a fine as well. Perhaps 20%. Not worth asking them to pay a fine because they will never receive it.

Posted: **Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:35 am**

Whilst they're at it, perhaps World Rugby can clarify their position on the All Blacks' selection of wife beaters in their team?

Posted: **Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:43 am**

Did anything happen to Henry over his book?

H ere is what Graham Henry says in his biography, ‘Graham Henry: Final World’, about his suspicions as the All Blacks coach of the refereeing in the Rugby World Cup 2007 quarter-final between France and New Zealand.

After endless studies of the television tape of the match, he reached the following conclusion from the video:

“… would confirm that referee Wayne Barnes and his touch judges, Jonathan Kaplan from South Africa and Tony Spreadbury from England, hadn’t exactly coverted themselves in glory at the Millennium Stadium, that they missed an obvious forward pass when France scored its match-winning try – a pass so forward everyone in the stadium had witnessed it except the referee – and that Barnes had been pretty lenient on France at the breakdowns, probably costing the All Blacks the game.”

The video he watched had three different camera angles and featured statistical breakdowns of lineouts, scrums, penalties, tackle counts, territory and possession. These statistics revealed that the All Blacks had 73 per cent of the territorial advantage, won 166 rucks to 42 and made only 73 tackles compared with 331 (surely the most ever in a Test?) made by France.

From his own analysis of the match, Henry says Barnes missed 40 penalty infringements by France and that if New Zealand had got all the penalties they deserved, the final score would have been 42-3 or 42-6: “The All Blacks didn’t get a penalty for the last 60 minutes of the game and attacked over 70 per cent of that time.”

He had been so ‘stunned’ by the lopsided penalty count that favoured France (he became physically ill watching the video, in fact) that he “briefly contemplated match-fixing as the only logical explanation’ for the All Blacks upset 20-18 loss to France … I have been involved in 140 Test matches and 20 years of coaching at the provincial level or the level above it and years of coaching international rugby and I’ve never been involved in a game that was like this game.”

In the end, he says he asked the NZRU and the IRB “if there was any, any laws or system that they use to look at bizarre games and look at the possibility of sports betting. But apparently they don’t which surprised me.” The IRB refused to have an investigation which Henry says he found to be ‘incomprehensible’.

Asked on television if the officials were cheating or were incompetent, Henry replied: “I guess that’s why you have a system of analysing those things. If you had a system of analysing, maybe you would come to a result and I could answer that question.”

In summary then: the gist of the Henry complaint is that the refereeing decisions did not equate with the way the game was played: that they were so out of line that the possibility of match-fixing was an allegation that needed to be thought about, at least: and that the reasons why the All Blacks were ‘sawn off’ by the refereeing needed to be reviewed to establish an explanation why France suddenly became ‘the most disciplined team in the history of international rugby.’

Posted: **Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:54 am**

Times article today said WR is expected to bring charges this week and then the hearing will be in a fortnight

Posted: **Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:29 am**

Ymx wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:43 am Did anything happen to Henry over his book?

H ere is what Graham Henry says in his biography, ‘Graham Henry: Final World’, about his suspicions as the All Blacks coach of the refereeing in the Rugby World Cup 2007 quarter-final between France and New Zealand.

After endless studies of the television tape of the match, he reached the following conclusion from the video:

“… would confirm that referee Wayne Barnes and his touch judges, Jonathan Kaplan from South Africa and Tony Spreadbury from England, hadn’t exactly coverted themselves in glory at the Millennium Stadium, that they missed an obvious forward pass when France scored its match-winning try – a pass so forward everyone in the stadium had witnessed it except the referee – and that Barnes had been pretty lenient on France at the breakdowns, probably costing the All Blacks the game.”

The video he watched had three different camera angles and featured statistical breakdowns of lineouts, scrums, penalties, tackle counts, territory and possession. These statistics revealed that the All Blacks had 73 per cent of the territorial advantage, won 166 rucks to 42 and made only 73 tackles compared with 331 (surely the most ever in a Test?) made by France.

From his own analysis of the match, Henry says Barnes missed 40 penalty infringements by France and that if New Zealand had got all the penalties they deserved, the final score would have been 42-3 or 42-6: “The All Blacks didn’t get a penalty for the last 60 minutes of the game and attacked over 70 per cent of that time.”

He had been so ‘stunned’ by the lopsided penalty count that favoured France (he became physically ill watching the video, in fact) that he “briefly contemplated match-fixing as the only logical explanation’ for the All Blacks upset 20-18 loss to France … I have been involved in 140 Test matches and 20 years of coaching at the provincial level or the level above it and years of coaching international rugby and I’ve never been involved in a game that was like this game.”

In the end, he says he asked the NZRU and the IRB “if there was any, any laws or system that they use to look at bizarre games and look at the possibility of sports betting. But apparently they don’t which surprised me.” The IRB refused to have an investigation which Henry says he found to be ‘incomprehensible’.

Asked on television if the officials were cheating or were incompetent, Henry replied: “I guess that’s why you have a system of analysing those things. If you had a system of analysing, maybe you would come to a result and I could answer that question.”

In summary then: the gist of the Henry complaint is that the refereeing decisions did not equate with the way the game was played: that they were so out of line that the possibility of match-fixing was an allegation that needed to be thought about, at least: and that the reasons why the All Blacks were ‘sawn off’ by the refereeing needed to be reviewed to establish an explanation why France suddenly became ‘the most disciplined team in the history of international rugby.’

As we now know, Henry wasn't a well man.

And Barnes is the best ref in the world.

Posted: **Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:57 am**

assfly wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:35 am Whilst they're at it, perhaps World Rugby can clarify their position on the All Blacks' selection of wife beaters in their team?

Puts things in perspective

After an All Black allegedly slapped and punched a woman in the face in a Dunedin bar he sent threatening messages to a third party saying "f... you b.... tell your friend to hide".
The alleged assault left the victim with a split lip and a broken tooth.

The woman’s mother told the Otago Daily Times last night the family was frustrated 27-year-old Highlanders loose forward Shannon Frizell had "walked away with nothing more than a slap on the hand".

Speaking to media on Thursday, All Blacks coach Foster made it clear that the door is by no means shut on Frizell's future in the black jersey, and that the 15-test loose forward is being supported through the process.

"It's been a tough time for him personally," Foster says.

"He's gone through a process, both with the courts and New Zealand. They've come up with a conclusion that, as far as we're concerned, he's shown a good attitude as [to] how he's dealt with that.

"I know he's incredibly remorseful for that, and it's not something that any of us want.

"We're just going to keep working with him, and support him. He's still a family member for us.

Frizell will next appear in court in September, and has been ordered to not consume alcohol or contact his victim until then.

Posted: **Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:17 am**

While he should never play for the all blacks again and realistically should have had a criminal conviction, how does that relate to Rassie’s video nasty?

Posted: **Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:23 am**

ScarfaceClaw wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:17 am While he should never play for the all blacks again and realistically should have had a criminal conviction, how does that relate to Rassie’s video nasty?

It doesn't. Wait until he reads about Marc Cécillon.

Posted: **Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:30 am**

ScarfaceClaw wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:17 am While he should never play for the all blacks again and realistically should have had a criminal conviction, how does that relate to Rassie’s video nasty?

Do you think selecting women beaters like him and Sevu Reece for your nation team brings the game in disrepute?

Posted: **Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:34 am**

Coaches criticising ref's in the media did not start yesterday and Mr Erasmus was not the first to question the inconstant interpretation of laws. If WR rugby was serious about ref bashing they should have taken a stronger stance from the get go. You cannot turn a blind eye for years and then one day decide this is the guy we're going to make an example off.

Posted: **Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:39 am**

average joe wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:34 am Coaches criticising ref's in the media did not start yesterday and Mr Erasmus was not the first to question the inconstant interpretation of laws. If WR rugby was serious about ref bashing they should have taken a stronger stance from the get go. You cannot turn a blind eye for years and then one day decide this is the guy we're going to make an example off.

Posted: **Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:44 am**

Calculon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:30 am
ScarfaceClaw wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:17 am While he should never play for the all blacks again and realistically should have had a criminal conviction, how does that relate to Rassie’s video nasty?
Do you think selecting women beaters like him and Sevu Reece for your nation team brings the game in disrepute?

Here's a thought, start a thread on it and ask the question you prick.

Posted: **Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:08 am**

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:15 am No, he needs to be banned from all rugby for at least a year. I think World Rugby have to cut the central grant to South Africa as their way of a fine as well. Perhaps 20%. Not worth asking them to pay a fine because they will never receive it.

He was out of rugby for 18 months after the RWC. Then came back and won the BIL's with one warm up test vs Georgia.

Posted: **Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:52 am**

If he's banned he will have even more time to spend on his "video nasties"

Posted: **Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:05 am**

Maybe when World Rugby decide to address the elephant in the room about the Lions biting problem. I see Kyle Sinkler tried to take a bite out of Sous's arm.

Posted: **Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:07 am**

I dunno about the rest of the Saffers but Kawasaki's salt seems to have an extra piquant flavour. I thought salt was salt but his is just so vokken delicious.

Posted: **Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:56 am**

FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:05 am Maybe when World Rugby decide to address the elephant in the room about the Lions biting problem. I see Kyle Sinkler tried to take a bite out of Sous's arm.

Oh, was he found guilty then?

Posted: **Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:04 am**

handyman wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:08 am
Kawazaki wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:15 am No, he needs to be banned from all rugby for at least a year. I think World Rugby have to cut the central grant to South Africa as their way of a fine as well. Perhaps 20%. Not worth asking them to pay a fine because they will never receive it.
He was out of rugby for 18 months after the RWC. Then came back and won the BIL's with one warm up test vs Georgia.

Good, make it 5 years then.

Posted: **Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:08 am**

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:56 am
FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:05 am Maybe when World Rugby decide to address the elephant in the room about the Lions biting problem. I see Kyle Sinkler tried to take a bite out of Sous's arm.
Oh, was he found guilty then?

It's a cover-up job. Just like Frizell.

Posted: **Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:11 am**

FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:08 am
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:56 am
FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:05 am Maybe when World Rugby decide to address the elephant in the room about the Lions biting problem. I see Kyle Sinkler tried to take a bite out of Sous's arm.
Oh, was he found guilty then?
It's a cover-up job. Just like Frizell.

I regret to inform you that the citing commission and the NZ judiciary are not even remotely related. Even a citing commission that's never been afraid of banning players like Sinckler saw nothing except a dirty Saffer jamming their arm in someone's face and playing the victim.

Posted: **Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:17 am**

When will the moaning stop?

Posted: **Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:24 am**

handyman wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:17 am When will the moaning stop?

About another month, I'd say. That's when the local rugby starts again.

Until then, we have threads like this to make our dicks hard.

Posted: **Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:33 am**

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:44 am
Calculon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:30 am
ScarfaceClaw wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:17 am While he should never play for the all blacks again and realistically should have had a criminal conviction, how does that relate to Rassie’s video nasty?
Do you think selecting women beaters like him and Sevu Reece for your nation team brings the game in disrepute?

Here's a thought, start a thread on it and ask the question you prick.

Have you got any more holiday planned? It was nice and peaceful without you here.

Posted: **Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:36 am**

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:11 am
FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:08 am
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:56 am

Oh, was he found guilty then?
It's a cover-up job. Just like Frizell.
I regret to inform you that the citing commission and the NZ judiciary are not even remotely related. Even a citing commission that's never been afraid of banning players like Sinckler saw nothing except a dirty Saffer jamming their arm in someone's face and playing the victim.

All part of the global anti-Saffer conspiracy. Do the research!

Posted: **Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:49 am**

FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:36 am
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:11 am
FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:08 am

It's a cover-up job. Just like Frizell.
I regret to inform you that the citing commission and the NZ judiciary are not even remotely related. Even a citing commission that's never been afraid of banning players like Sinckler saw nothing except a dirty Saffer jamming their arm in someone's face and playing the victim.
All part of the global anti-Saffer conspiracy. Do the research!

Do you have a Youtube channel I can watch? Or an informative Facebook meme?

Posted: **Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:54 am**

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:49 am
FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:36 am
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:11 am

I regret to inform you that the citing commission and the NZ judiciary are not even remotely related. Even a citing commission that's never been afraid of banning players like Sinckler saw nothing except a dirty Saffer jamming their arm in someone's face and playing the victim.
All part of the global anti-Saffer conspiracy. Do the research!
Do you have a Youtube channel I can watch? Or an informative Facebook meme?

There’s a lot of hidden messages in the movie District 9 if you watch carefully.

Posted: **Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:15 pm**

ScarfaceClaw wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:54 am
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:49 am
FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:36 am
All part of the global anti-Saffer conspiracy. Do the research!
Do you have a Youtube channel I can watch? Or an informative Facebook meme?
There’s a lot of hidden messages in the movie District 9 if you watch carefully.

Fokken prawns

Posted: **Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:13 pm**

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:15 pm
ScarfaceClaw wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:54 am
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:49 am

Do you have a Youtube channel I can watch? Or an informative Facebook meme?
There’s a lot of hidden messages in the movie District 9 if you watch carefully.
Fokken prawns

Boet don't even go there.

We're still dealing dealing with invermectin and the vaccines which produce magnetic fields.
But seriously, the series was kinda shit. Rassie dialled the gamesmanship up to 11. He does deserve some kind of sanction but I still think he is the best thing to happen to the Boks since Mallet. The Boks lost their way between 2010 and 2018. Rassie has gone a long way to guiding the transformation and identity rebuilding process. The team trust him implicitly and part of the reason is that he has demonstrated that he will do anything it takes. Something I think guys like Gatland and Eddie Jones will never be able to do for a Northern hemisphere team.

Posted: **Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:23 pm**

FalseBayFC wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:13 pm
JM2K6 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:15 pm
ScarfaceClaw wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:54 am

There’s a lot of hidden messages in the movie District 9 if you watch carefully.
Fokken prawns
Boet don't even go there. We're still dealing dealing with invermectin and the vaccines which produce magnetic fields.
But seriously, the series was kinda shit. Rassie dialled the gamesmanship up to 11. He does deserve some kind of sanction but I still think he is the best thing to happen to the Boks since Mallet. The Boks lost their way between 2010 and 2018. Rassie has gone a long way to guiding the transformation and identity rebuilding process. The team trust him implicitly and part of the reason is that he has demonstrated that he will do anything it takes. Something I think guys like Gatland and Eddie Jones will never be able to do for a Northern hemisphere team.

I think Eddie's a lot like that, really, but he's incredibly stubborn and doesn't trust English rugby in the way that Erasmus trusts Saffer rugby. Agreed the tour and the series were shit, obviously with a lot of reasons for that on either side but with a fair chunk of blame attached to both sets of coaches. For the approach taken I'm more critical of Gatland given the type of player at his disposal...

Ivermectin was so strange, I see people touting it even now on Twitter and stuff. So fucking weird. This one Weird Trick that health agencies don't want you to know about! Viruses hate it!!

Posted: **Wed Aug 11, 2021 2:40 pm**

I think he should receive the same punishment as the cumulative total of the time that the filthy Lions players got for their thuggish play during the series.

So 10 mins.

Posted: **Mon Aug 16, 2021 5:36 am**

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/58064491

Annulling the result of the second Lions test would be fun.

Posted: **Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:45 am**

light

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 5:36 am https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/58064491

Annulling the result of the second Lions test would be fun.

That will never happen. Rassie will get away with a light sanction for what are ridiculous trumped up charges. He never intended that video to go public. It was leaked by bad actors who have an agenda against him. Their motivation? Probably the same as yours, petty jealousy. I know its shit when you support a losing rugby team but you really need to get over it.

Posted: **Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:13 am**

Are England and her 3 provinces still moaning?
If they spent as much time, effort and direction on rugby

they might one day win something

Posted: **Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:25 am**

Chilli wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:13 am Are England and her 3 provinces still moaning?
If they spent as much time, effort and direction on rugby they might one day win something

I have to say it's been quiet and organized this last test without Rassie

Posted: **Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:44 am**

Chilli wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:13 am Are England and her 3 provinces still moaning?
If they spent as much time, effort and direction on rugby they might one day win something

No not all.
But we note you are still being a cunt

Posted: **Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:56 am**

Just give the series to the BILs , so they can get over it.

Vok man.

Posted: **Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:31 am**

SaintK wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:44 am
Chilli wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:13 am Are England and her 3 provinces still moaning?
If they spent as much time, effort and direction on rugby they might one day win something
No not all.
But we note you are still being a cunt

Its because of your endless moaning

Posted: **Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:35 am**

Chilli wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:31 am
SaintK wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:44 am
Chilli wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:13 am Are England and her 3 provinces still moaning?
If they spent as much time, effort and direction on rugby they might one day win something
No not all.
But we note you are still being a cunt
Its because of your endless moaning

Yep, still being a cunt
Even though we've moved on somehow you can't seem to

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