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One more resurrection.

Let's start with the days before Shoreham and the rise of the nanny state.

Trev is worth a follow on twitter

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An incredible image, taken with great skill and timing! Smiling face with sunglasses
This shadow is of an RAF Avro Vulcan B2 bomber, caught the split second it passes over the 20-year-old wreck of the USAAF B-24 Liberator, named 'The Lady Be Good', lost in the vast Sahara Desert (in Libya), during WW 2.

Fab thread to restart !

Anyone know/ guess what this is , fellow aviation nerds ?

Yeeb wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:44 am Fab thread to restart !

Anyone know/ guess what this is , fellow aviation nerds ?

Early model Halifax?

Nope

Yeeb wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:44 am Fab thread to restart !

Anyone know/ guess what this is , fellow aviation nerds ?

No idea. Vickers Windsor although tail section entirely wrong for that?

I'm guessing that since the pic is an artist's impression that it was a design that never even made it to prototype?

Early B12/36 bomber.

The sun god wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:54 am Early B12/36 bomber.

Nope

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:53 am

Yeeb wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:44 am Fab thread to restart !

Anyone know/ guess what this is , fellow aviation nerds ?

No idea. Vickers Windsor although tail section entirely wrong for that?

I'm guessing that since the pic is an artist's impression that it was a design that never even made it to prototype?

Nope re Windsor

Yes and no - yes it’s an artists impression, but no for the ‘a design never made’ bit, which is a clue

A Liberator? Tail doesn't quite look right, but it's a drawing after all

A photo - not sure how much further it got than this

Reminds me of the B-25, but two too many engines and not enough glass canopies.

Saint wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:57 am A Liberator? Tail doesn't quite look right, but it's a drawing after all

Nopes

I’m almost an ‘ace’ for kills with this bad boy !

Yeeb wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:54 am

The sun god wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:54 am Early B12/36 bomber.

Nope

You sure....... I seem to remember seeing that drawing in an article about the death of RJ Mitchell.

The sun god wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:00 am

Yeeb wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:54 am

The sun god wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:54 am Early B12/36 bomber.

Nope

You sure....... I seem to remember seeing that drawing in an article about the death of RJ Mitchell.

I’m sure - but you getting warmer

Edit - sorry, when you said b36 I thought you meant the b36 convair peacemaker - you are correct on the air ministry specification

Supermarine type 317 or 318. Artists impression, the prototype never flew.

Ellafan wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:05 am Supermarine type 317 or 318. Artists impression, the prototype never flew.

Bingo !

http://johnkshelton.blogspot.com/2012/0 ... h.html?m=1

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/onenight ... aster/amp/


Love reading about ‘what if’ stuff , especially about aircraft of the era

Tsr2 and that Canadian interceptor whose name temp escapes me, make me sad

Yeeb wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:58 am A photo - not sure how much further it got than this

Mitchell's (Supermarine) failed pitch for the RAF's heavy bomber contract?

{EDIT} Bollox. I see Ella already suggested that.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:20 am

Yeeb wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:58 am A photo - not sure how much further it got than this

Mitchell's (Supermarine) failed pitch for the RAF's heavy bomber contract?

{EDIT} Bollox. I see Ella already suggested that.

Tbf sun god got it but without naming it, and I was a spaz on understanding what he meant

No idea where this was taken but I loved the precision of the lineup (though I accept that it may be photoshopped).

An old one that I never tire of

Torquemada 1420 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:51 am An old one that I never tire of

Awesome!!! Thanks

That doesn’t play for me torq



The Italian guy in the first clip, 4 feet altitude !

A thing of beauty, one of my favourites.

Yeeb wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:56 am That doesn’t play for me torq

Hmm. Maybe you tube blocking links.

URL is
https: //www. youtube. com/watch?v=4iOoiEbtf2w

without the spaces

Kiwias wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:36 am No idea where this was taken but I loved the precision of the lineup (though I accept that it may be photoshopped).

Pre photoshopping, green screen special effects etc....there is a similar line-up in the movie 'A bridge too far' as the Dakota's line up to start 'market-garden'......

Second clip on here has then incockpit view



Just bonkers

Yeeb wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:01 pm Second clip on here has then incockpit view



Just bonkers

IIRC the pilot got into serious trouble for that one.

Threadfail. No treadmill.

The Druid wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:57 am.

Eh?

No pics , but that yank b52 crasher was supposed to be a maverick, and cleared a ridge line by a mere 20 feet according to estimates. Conflicting evidence as to who was actually flying when it got driven into the ground

Ellafan wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:19 pm

The Druid wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:57 am.

Eh?

The Druid wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:57 am A thing of beauty, one of my favourites.

Yeeb wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:20 pm No pics , but that yank b52 crasher was supposed to be a maverick, and cleared a ridge line by a mere 20 feet according to estimates. Conflicting evidence as to who was actually flying when it got driven into the ground

Fairchild - 1994

Starts @ 04:28 in video


The comments below are pretty damning about Lt Col Holland's attitude.

It's here


was sure I'd seen the footage.

I have read someplace that bud Holland wasn’t flying at the time, because he was radioing the tower on those manaoivers with the tanker, and normal procedure there is for the one doing the radio comma to not be the pilot in charge at the time, irrespective of rank or who was in which seat. Certainly , after 4 senior deaths , a ‘blame it on the hot dog fall guy’ isn’t the most wildest of conspiracy theories.

Truth is, he should have been grounded for good well before the crash, and all 4 had limited recent flight time so shouldn’t have been chucking the plane around like that. Whoever was at the controls, it was a massive fuck up

Yeeb wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:09 pm I have read someplace that bud Holland wasn’t flying at the time, because he was radioing the tower on those manaoivers with the tanker, and normal procedure there is for the one doing the radio comma to not be the pilot in charge at the time, irrespective of rank or who was in which seat. Certainly , after 4 senior deaths , a ‘blame it on the hot dog fall guy’ isn’t the most wildest of conspiracy theories.

Truth is, he should have been grounded for good well before the crash, and all 4 had limited recent flight time so shouldn’t have been chucking the plane around like that. Whoever was at the controls, it was a massive fuck up

Yup. Even us occasionals know you don't get much lift flying a plane sideways!

Yeeb wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:09 pm I have read someplace that bud Holland wasn’t flying at the time, because he was radioing the tower on those manaoivers with the tanker, and normal procedure there is for the one doing the radio comma to not be the pilot in charge at the time, irrespective of rank or who was in which seat. Certainly , after 4 senior deaths , a ‘blame it on the hot dog fall guy’ isn’t the most wildest of conspiracy theories.

Truth is, he should have been grounded for good well before the crash, and all 4 had limited recent flight time so shouldn’t have been chucking the plane around like that. Whoever was at the controls, it was a massive fuck up

I find it very hard to believe he wasn't at the controls given; (1) the manner of flight matches his track record for shit flying; (2) his co-pilot, Lt. Col. McGeehan, was just about the only Officer to threaten him with action over his recklessness, & (3) the picture below. The dot
below, & slightly to the right of the vertical tail surface is the co-pilot.. he ejected, but didn't survive.

Who ejected doesn’t mean anything really, maybe he was controlling it and realised sooner quite how fucked he was. I just mean that as conspiracy theories go, it’s one of the more plausible ones - Holland could have goaded him into trying something risky. If Holland was demoted onto the radio comms then it’s possible he wasn’t actually flying at that point, because if the known danger man was flying then perhaps the other two would have popped their eject buttons also ?

Perhaps they were lulled into security knowing the ‘safer’ pilot was flying , who unfortunately just wasn’t as skilled at stupid envelope stretching manaoivers than Holland. Bud Holland was undoubtedly a stupid risk taking twat, but hadn’t actually pranged a b52 up until then.

Today’s ‘guess the plane’ - easier one as this one entered service