NPR

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sport ... -rape.html

Some rugby fans have taken the information and deduced who they think it might be. Jake said on PR it's someone else.

There is a former England international who has an older wife about that age who has been in trouble with the police (and the England team) a few times before though not that recently.

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:04 pm There is a former England international who has an older wife about that age who has been in trouble with the police (and the England team) a few times before though not that recently.

That could be who Jake is refuted it is. He says it is some one dropped 4 or 5 years ago. A back.

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:13 pm

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:04 pm There is a former England international who has an older wife about that age who has been in trouble with the police (and the England team) a few times before though not that recently.

That could be who Jake is refuted it is. He says it is some one dropped 4 or 5 years ago. A back.

Doesn't say if the woman is the player's wife.

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:01 pm https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sport ... -rape.html

Some rugby fans have taken the information and deduced who they think it might be. Jake said on PR it's someone else.

Is our world finally going to be rocked?

4-5 years ago was dropped must be a big clue.

From wiki

2016 6N squad

Owen Farrell fly-half September 1991 (aged 24) 35 Saracens
George Ford Fly-half 16 March 1993 (aged 22) 17 Bath
Elliot Daly Centre 8 October 1992 (aged 23) 0 Wasps
Ollie Devoto Centre 22 September 1993 (aged 22) 0 Bath
Sam Hill Centre 14 July 1993 (aged 22) 0 Exeter Chiefs
Jonathan Joseph Centre 21 May 1991 (aged 24) 16 Bath
Chris Ashton Wing 29 March 1987 (aged 28) 39 Saracens
Jack Nowell Wing 11 April 1993 (aged 22) 10 Exeter Chiefs
Anthony Watson Wing 26 February 1994 (aged 21) 15 Bath
Marland Yarde Wing 20 April 1992 (aged 23) 7 Harlequins
Mike Brown Fullback 4 September 1985 (aged 30) 43 Harlequins
Alex Goode Fullback 7 May 1988 (aged 27) 19



2018 6N

George Ford Fly-half 1993 (aged 24) 40 England Leicester Tigers
Alex Lozowski Fly-half 30 June 1993 (aged 24) 4 England Saracens
Marcus Smith Fly-half 14 February 1999 (aged 18) 0 England Harlequins
Owen Farrell Centre 24 September 1991 (aged 26) 53 England Saracens
Jonathan Joseph Centre 18 May 1991 (aged 26) 35 England Bath
Henry Slade Centre 19 March 1993 (aged 24) 10 England Exeter Chiefs
Ben Te'o Centre 27 January 1987 (aged 31) 8 England Worcester Warriors
Nathan Earle Wing 25 September 1994 (aged 23) 0 England Saracens
Jack Nowell Wing 11 April 1993 (aged 24) 23 England Exeter Chiefs
Jonny May Wing 1 April 1990 (aged 27) 29 England Leicester Tigers
Denny Solomona Wing 27 September 1993 (aged 24) 2 England Sale Sharks
Anthony Watson Wing 26 February 1994 (aged 23) 28 England Bath
Mike Brown Fullback 4 September 1985 (aged 32) 64 England Harlequins
Harry Mallinder Fullback 13 June 1996 (aged 21) 0

Uncle fester wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:19 pm

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:13 pm

Kawazaki wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:04 pm There is a former England international who has an older wife about that age who has been in trouble with the police (and the England team) a few times before though not that recently.

That could be who Jake is refuted it is. He says it is some one dropped 4 or 5 years ago. A back.

Doesn't say if the woman is the player's wife.

True

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Maybe the speculation isn't a good thing

Yeah, I was starting to think that myself. Sorry.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:11 pm Maybe the speculation isn't a good thing

Speculation is fine, as long as you treat it for what it is and not for the truth.

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:36 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:11 pm Maybe the speculation isn't a good thing

Speculation is fine, as long as you treat it for what it is and not for the truth.

This. I think everyone gets overly concerned about what can and can't be said on an anonymous Internet forum.

Anyway we all know who we are all thinking it is.

Blackmac wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:40 pm

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:36 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:11 pm Maybe the speculation isn't a good thing

Speculation is fine, as long as you treat it for what it is and not for the truth.

This. I think everyone gets overly concerned about what can and can't be said on an anonymous Internet forum.

Anyway we all know who we are all thinking it is.

Aye. How old is Zara Phillips again?

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Blackmac wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:40 pm

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:36 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:11 pm Maybe the speculation isn't a good thing

Speculation is fine, as long as you treat it for what it is and not for the truth.

This. I think everyone gets overly concerned about what can and can't be said on an anonymous Internet forum.

Anyway we all know who we are all thinking it is.

Oh no, I don't care about what can and can't be said, I just think it's really ghoulish that people respond to a rape by eagerly reeling off names tbh

Edit: in hindsight not a thread I want to speculate on.

Weird... why would someone add that tonight...

Is a "12 inch flop" a very long flaccid penis?

Happened in Manchester ….

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/17292708 ... nightclub/

Has Solomona left the UK yet?

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:01 pm https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sport ... -rape.html

Some rugby fans have taken the information and deduced who they think it might be. Jake said on PR it's someone else.

Jake`s second sentence on PR doesn`t quite read right to me. It is possible to find an ex players name in the initial part of the sentence but the career of the person potentially named is a bit out of synch with the other information given so could just be a coincidence.

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I don't care to speculate, but what's the law on this sort of thing?

I recall reading about a Kiwi that wanted name suppression on something like drink driving and it was denied.

I imagine suppression provides the victim some anonymity, esp in cases where dickhead fans find out and target the poor person. Sounding like the media know who it is, is it legal reasons that they haven't / don't name or more professional (I know, I know... tabloids, really?) / risk of being sued?

Was male milkshake used as encouragement??

Dotted my posts. Not for legal. But don’t want the finger pointed in case it’s wrong.

Jake`s second sentence on PR doesn`t quite read right t

Seems unlikely...

Just for information, please do not speculate names here, innocent until proven guilty and all that, once it his public domain that's fine but until then please do the right thing, this is not just to protect the player, but potentially the alleged victim too.

inactionman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:14 pm

Blackmac wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:40 pm

eldanielfire wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:36 pm

Speculation is fine, as long as you treat it for what it is and not for the truth.

This. I think everyone gets overly concerned about what can and can't be said on an anonymous Internet forum.

Anyway we all know who we are all thinking it is.

Aye. How old is Zara Phillips again?

40

Can we focus on the crime?

A man was arrested on suspicion of rape and a woman was arrested on suspicion of administering a substance with intent to cause a sexual offence.

A male, with the help of his partner/wife, drugged and raped an teen in a nightclub!

What are the chances this was their first attempt?

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:12 am Can we focus on the crime?

A man was arrested on suspicion of rape and a woman was arrested on suspicion of administering a substance with intent to cause a sexual offence.

A male, with the help of his partner/wife, drugged and raped an teen in a nightclub!

What are the chances this was their first attempt?

I've absolutely no idea who this is, but that exact thought crossed my mind.

Niegs wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:30 pm I don't care to speculate, but what's the law on this sort of thing?

I recall reading about a Kiwi that wanted name suppression on something like drink driving and it was denied.

I imagine suppression provides the victim some anonymity, esp in cases where dickhead fans find out and target the poor person. Sounding like the media know who it is, is it legal reasons that they haven't / don't name or more professional (I know, I know... tabloids, really?) / risk of being sued?

Rape/sexual assault allegations are a tricky one for both the accuser who should be protected and made to feel safe and supported, and the accused who deserves a fair investigation and trial.

There is an argument that by naming the accused party may encourage more victims to come forward but on the flip side, someone falsely or even worse maliciously accused of rape/sexual assault can have their life ruined by this type of accusation.

Though different, that Everton footballer still hasn't been named (though everyone seems to know who he is) for alleged child sex offences. And that was last July. So may be months before we know, if we ever know.

Then you have someone like Japie Mulder, whose identify wasn't a very well-kept secret after his offense.

He pleaded guilty to indecent assault and attempted rape of a minor.

Not even a slap on the wrist. Not sure whether he was sued in a civil court though for possible damages (read: $$$), but certainly no criminal damages.


If it's any consolation, his name was removed from the Wikipedia page of his hometown (which is my hometown and current place of residence too) in the "Famous people from this town" section.

Grandpa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:42 am Though different, that Everton footballer still hasn't been named (though everyone seems to know who he is) for alleged child sex offences. And that was last July. So may be months before we know, if we ever know.

Rugby is a smaller world and there's a greater connection between the pros and the amateur game. Far more likely that it will leak out.

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:57 am

Grandpa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:42 am Though different, that Everton footballer still hasn't been named (though everyone seems to know who he is) for alleged child sex offences. And that was last July. So may be months before we know, if we ever know.

Rugby is a smaller world and there's a greater connection between the pros and the amateur game. Far more likely that it will leak out.

True. Sorry, I meant to say it may be months before his name is officially released. Pretty sure we'll know who it is pretty soon. Just like the Everton player.

troglodiet wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:52 am Then you have someone like Japie Mulder, whose identify wasn't a very well-kept secret after his offense.

He pleaded guilty to indecent assault and attempted rape of a minor.

Not even a slap on the wrist. Not sure whether he was sued in a civil court though for possible damages (read: $$$), but certainly no criminal damages.


If it's any consolation, his name was removed from the Wikipedia page of his hometown (which is my hometown and current place of residence too) in the "Famous people from this town" section.

How is he seen now in the wider South African community? Is he ostracised?

He has admitted the attempted rape of a school girl. So no ambiguity? How did he avoid criminal charges?

Insane_Homer wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:12 am Can we focus on the crime?

A man was arrested on suspicion of rape and a woman was arrested on suspicion of administering a substance with intent to cause a sexual offence.

A male, with the help of his partner/wife, drugged and raped an teen in a nightclub!

What are the chances this was their first attempt?

Yeah, you're right.

There's an allegation of an horrendous crime. If it's proven, the people involved are shits who deserve to suffer.

Grandpa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:29 am

Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:57 am

Grandpa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:42 am Though different, that Everton footballer still hasn't been named (though everyone seems to know who he is) for alleged child sex offences. And that was last July. So may be months before we know, if we ever know.

Rugby is a smaller world and there's a greater connection between the pros and the amateur game. Far more likely that it will leak out.

True. Sorry, I meant to say it may be months before his name is officially released. Pretty sure we'll know who it is pretty soon. Just like the Everton player.

I'd not heard about this Everton player. Is he still playing regularly?