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Holy fuck!

Local Shell jumped from 1.52 to 1.75 /litre overnight..

143 at Tesco’s new malden

I'm going to be about £110pcm worse off from next month just paying for domestic gas and electricity.


That's all money coming out of discretionary spending.

Can only imagine the effect on the economy.

tc27 wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 4:01 pm I'm going to be about £110pcm worse off from next month just paying for domestic gas and electricity.


That's all money coming out of discretionary spending.

Can only imagine the effect on the economy.

Haven’t had a fuel bill yet since moving in - not looking forward to it at all.
Have an EV now so at least 5p mile electric v 20p petrol for me.

Vokken unbelievable. Understand it will double up.

Yeeb wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 4:08 pm

tc27 wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 4:01 pm I'm going to be about £110pcm worse off from next month just paying for domestic gas and electricity.


That's all money coming out of discretionary spending.

Can only imagine the effect on the economy.

Haven’t had a fuel bill yet since moving in - not looking forward to it at all.
Have an EV now so at least 5p mile electric v 20p petrol for me.

A mates just had solar panels put in - the economics means it pays for itself much quicker now. I am tempted in particular now I'm WFH 90% of the time.

we're in an old house that just pisses heat out, not looking forward to our bills.

Vlad's doing wonders for the renewable energy sector...

and probably the opposite for nuclear.

switched off heating weeks ago....family can just about cope with lots of jumpers in evening. also now reducing amount of time hot water is in, so we're now all trying to get a shower first in the morning or if not first screaming at the person ahead of us to get out of the shower! even with that though still likely to see bills going up quite a bit.

bumblingbaf wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 4:53 pm switched off heating weeks ago....family can just about cope with lots of jumpers in evening. also now reducing amount of time hot water is in, so we're now all trying to get a shower first in the morning or if not first screaming at the person ahead of us to get out of the shower! even with that though still likely to see bills going up quite a bit.

We wear jumpers inside , it bemuses me just how warm some people keep their homes whilst whinging about fuel bills. We leave it at 19’C and then only have it in a couple of hours in evening and bit at night before you get up. On bitterly cold days then yes, manually put the heat on for an hour or so because if you are cold whilst wearing a vest, shirt and jumper + blanket, then it’s a bit nippy to be wfh

Sadly that’s outweighed by a large family who go swimming often and like hot baths and showers when they get back home.

Its friggin nuts! I filled up my van last tuesday. Diesel was 169.9. The same place was 182.8 on the friday. Is it not supposed to take a few weeks for shocks in the system to filter through? I see today my local place is at 198.9 for diesel. (not the place mentioned above).
Am self employed and drive alot for my job. Not looking forward to this at all! Fuck you Putin!

I know the price of crude is shooting up, but, the petrol in the depots and stations was not bought at the new price. Wish I'd bought shares in Shell as they are fucking coining it in ATM..

Yeeb wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 4:58 pm

bumblingbaf wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 4:53 pm switched off heating weeks ago....family can just about cope with lots of jumpers in evening. also now reducing amount of time hot water is in, so we're now all trying to get a shower first in the morning or if not first screaming at the person ahead of us to get out of the shower! even with that though still likely to see bills going up quite a bit.

We wear jumpers inside , it bemuses me just how warm some people keep their homes whilst whinging about fuel bills. We leave it at 19’C and then only have it in a couple of hours in evening and bit at night before you get up. On bitterly cold days then yes, manually put the heat on for an hour or so because if you are cold whilst wearing a vest, shirt and jumper + blanket, then it’s a bit nippy to be wfh

Sadly that’s outweighed by a large family who go swimming often and like hot baths and showers when they get back home.

In winter most of my house is 13 - 15 °C during the day at best meaning I'm in 4 warm layers. Put the heating on generally 3 - 4 hours in the evening so it gets to about 19 °C though some rooms stay colder even so. Hot water only on morning and briefly early pm and evening. Having been on a very good fixed rate tariff since last March annual gas bill has been around £500. Expect that could quite easily double if next winter is a properly cold one.

I don't drive but prices sure going to rise when companies pass on the costs on to their products and services.

Guy Smiley wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 4:51 pm Vlad's doing wonders for the renewable energy sector...

and probably the opposite for nuclear.

My wood pellet price has gone up £30 per ton in the last 4 months, or about £300 per annum compared to our normal £2k.

Demand has shot up (no shit Sherlock) and that is driving prices.

I have been considering strapping a log burner alongside the pellet burner as we have essentially limitless logs from our woods. The pay back period is long, but if prices keep rising the economics may change enough to make it worthwhile.

Next tank of oil for the Aga is going to hurt.

£1.46 per litre at the nearest station. If I go across town to the "poorer" areas it's about £1.40 equivalent.

Enzedder wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:07 pm £1.46 per litre at the nearest station. If I go across town to the "poorer" areas it's about £1.40 equivalent.

Are these NZ prices in pounds? They are almost the same as the UK... usually they are about half the price?

Grandpa wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:17 pm

Enzedder wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:07 pm £1.46 per litre at the nearest station. If I go across town to the "poorer" areas it's about £1.40 equivalent.

Are these NZ prices in pounds? They are almost the same as the UK... usually they are about half the price?

A few weeks back I filled up at around $2.30l.... I filled up last week at $2.93 and I've heard it's over $3 now.

I'm getting around 800km from 50l. I reckon an EV is on the cards... $150 for a tankful is a bit hard to stomach.

Never understood people who sit in shorts & t shirts at home through the winter and have the heating on all day. 3 hours max in a cold snap.
Feel for people on the edge already, these numbers are catastrophic

Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:30 pm Never understood people who sit in shorts & t shirts at home through the winter and have the heating on all day. 3 hours max in a cold snap.
Feel for people on the edge already, these numbers are catastrophic

My parents, both in their nineties, really feel the cold as they are not very active. So I fitted the biggest rad I could into their small conservatory and they spend their days in there..albeit at 23 degrees! But saves heating the whole house, 50s built, a few nods to insulation, walls, windows etc, but still not energy efficient..

TB63 wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:22 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:30 pm Never understood people who sit in shorts & t shirts at home through the winter and have the heating on all day. 3 hours max in a cold snap.
Feel for people on the edge already, these numbers are catastrophic

My parents, both in their nineties, really feel the cold as they are not very active. So I fitted the biggest rad I could into their small conservatory and they spend their days in there..albeit at 23 degrees! But saves heating the whole house, 50s built, a few nods to insulation, walls, windows etc, but still not energy efficient..

I decided last week it was cheaper to put my dad in a home than watch him spend my inheritance on heating.

At this rate Alex Salmons will soon be back telling us all that an independent Scotland can afford to pay for everyone in Scotland to have free everything and Scottish oil will pay for it all.

How much of fuel price increases are down to legitimate problems with supply and how much is people just hiking prices and using geopolitical crises to justify it?

I know SFA about the subject but would love some insight.

sefton wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 10:20 pm

TB63 wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:22 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:30 pm Never understood people who sit in shorts & t shirts at home through the winter and have the heating on all day. 3 hours max in a cold snap.
Feel for people on the edge already, these numbers are catastrophic

My parents, both in their nineties, really feel the cold as they are not very active. So I fitted the biggest rad I could into their small conservatory and they spend their days in there..albeit at 23 degrees! But saves heating the whole house, 50s built, a few nods to insulation, walls, windows etc, but still not energy efficient..

I decided last week it was cheaper to put my dad in a home than watch him spend my inheritance on heating.

I shouldn't but ...


I think we need a new thread: "I'd be cheaper to burn X, than buy Oil/Gas/Petrol."

We're probably currently at the level, where it's cheaper to put poor quality single malt in the petrol tank; but soon even the good stuff will be cheaper.

Guy Smiley wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:25 pm

Grandpa wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:17 pm

Enzedder wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:07 pm £1.46 per litre at the nearest station. If I go across town to the "poorer" areas it's about £1.40 equivalent.

Are these NZ prices in pounds? They are almost the same as the UK... usually they are about half the price?

A few weeks back I filled up at around $2.30l.... I filled up last week at $2.93 and I've heard it's over $3 now.

I'm getting around 800km from 50l. I reckon an EV is on the cards... $150 for a tankful is a bit hard to stomach.

That's incredible. It is pretty much the same as here now.. but why has it risen so much in NZ relative to the UK?

Highest I've seen in my lifetime, from $4.29 to $4.55 per gallon in the city. Thank God I live in one of the few American cities with good public transportation.

Glad I'm no longer living in the country and can bike / bus everywhere I need to go!

Victoria, BC today I saw $2.08/L. When I arrived in November it was at about $1.35 and I think it went to $1.55 when the rain washouts cut off fuel supply for a week or so shortly after. Just two years ago, amid the early part of the pandemic, I remember it dropping to about 80 cents!

It's hitting hard, we have 2 cars, one a fuel guzzling double cab. News coming out is that the fuel price can double from the start of the year to R 40/liter.

we moved to two electric cars over a year ago, but even so electric going up in cost quite rapidly. was thinking of solar a few years ago but never seemed worth it (payback in 15+ years) - might payoff a bit quicker now and maybe close to good investment.

TB63 wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:22 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:30 pm Never understood people who sit in shorts & t shirts at home through the winter and have the heating on all day. 3 hours max in a cold snap.
Feel for people on the edge already, these numbers are catastrophic

My parents, both in their nineties, really feel the cold as they are not very active. So I fitted the biggest rad I could into their small conservatory and they spend their days in there..albeit at 23 degrees! But saves heating the whole house, 50s built, a few nods to insulation, walls, windows etc, but still not energy efficient..

Our aged relatives (also in their nineties) also felt the cold, but they kept the heating in their house set to 28 degrees, and even then the lady of the house would complain that she was cold. When we used to visit, I would regularly have to go and walk round the garden to try and cool down.

She died a few years ago just a few days before her 100th birthday, and since then her husband has reduced the temperature to a more bearable 23.

Lobby wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:23 am

TB63 wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:22 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:30 pm Never understood people who sit in shorts & t shirts at home through the winter and have the heating on all day. 3 hours max in a cold snap.
Feel for people on the edge already, these numbers are catastrophic

My parents, both in their nineties, really feel the cold as they are not very active. So I fitted the biggest rad I could into their small conservatory and they spend their days in there..albeit at 23 degrees! But saves heating the whole house, 50s built, a few nods to insulation, walls, windows etc, but still not energy efficient..

Our aged relatives (also in their nineties) also felt the cold, but they kept the heating in their house set to 28 degrees, and even then the lady of the house would complain that she was cold. When we used to visit, I would regularly have to go and walk round the garden to try and cool down.

She died a few years ago just a few days before her 100th birthday, and since then her husband has reduced the temperature to a more bearable 23.

Same with my Dad before he passed. Always cold, house was like a bloody sauna. After he died my Mum has the house at a much more normal temperature. Some old folk really feel it.

Lobby wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:23 am

TB63 wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:22 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:30 pm Never understood people who sit in shorts & t shirts at home through the winter and have the heating on all day. 3 hours max in a cold snap.
Feel for people on the edge already, these numbers are catastrophic

My parents, both in their nineties, really feel the cold as they are not very active. So I fitted the biggest rad I could into their small conservatory and they spend their days in there..albeit at 23 degrees! But saves heating the whole house, 50s built, a few nods to insulation, walls, windows etc, but still not energy efficient..

Our aged relatives (also in their nineties) also felt the cold, but they kept the heating in their house set to 28 degrees, and even then the lady of the house would complain that she was cold. When we used to visit, I would regularly have to go and walk round the garden to try and cool down.

She died a few years ago just a few days before her 100th birthday, and since then her husband has reduced the temperature to a more bearable 23.

To be clear, are you talking fahrenheit or celsius?

Guy Smiley wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:25 pm

Grandpa wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:17 pm

Enzedder wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:07 pm £1.46 per litre at the nearest station. If I go across town to the "poorer" areas it's about £1.40 equivalent.

Are these NZ prices in pounds? They are almost the same as the UK... usually they are about half the price?

A few weeks back I filled up at around $2.30l.... I filled up last week at $2.93 and I've heard it's over $3 now.

I'm getting around 800km from 50l. I reckon an EV is on the cards... $150 for a tankful is a bit hard to stomach.

Ms MungoSpouse decided to fill up the car this arvo. The most expensive price she spotted was about 1.03GBP equivalent but she filled up at 0.996GBP equivalent. I expect this will continue to trend upwards, altho' the daily available prices will vary with the way the local wholesalers 'cycle' their prices over a fortnight or whatever.

Opportunity cost is a thing, and it's a thing that doesn't invalidate itself by crossing the equator. For that reason, I expect NG price will continue to trend upwards even tho' Straya is well in surplus as regards NG produced versus NG consumed.

The problem this time, these high prices might stay for a long time.

Marylandolorian wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:52 pm

bumblingbaf wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:13 am we moved to two electric cars over a year ago, but even so electric going up in cost quite rapidly. was thinking of solar a few years ago but never seemed worth it (payback in 15+ years) - might payoff a bit quicker now and maybe close to good investment.

Look at it less as "this green thing must pay for itself or it's not worth it" and more "the annual return on this investment is likely to outstrip any interest/dividend rate available, it"s tax free and avoids the effects of inflation on the cash". I also suspect that solar panels are likely to be quite good for the house value in a while (so the Daily Mail will do a complete 180 on them).

Get a battery installed at the same time (5% VAT) and you also bank excess production. Yesterday, even with my wife charging her PHEV during the day, thus using up all the available power from the panels for a couple of hours, we were still able to run the rest of the electrics entirely off the panels during non car charging times and fully charge the house battery so that once the sun went down we still got the benefit as the battery took over. We also exported a small excess of solar to the grid, thus helping to decarbonise the supply and make Steve Baker cry. Sadly we're not on a FIT (but the economics of our supplier means we end up ahead on the Utility Warehouse cashback instead), so we gave freely of our bounty.

210.9 at the local today. Some of these feckers are properly taking the piss. Upping the price before they actually have to pay that price to thier suppliers.

Mr Tim Buktoo wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 3:40 pm 210.9 at the local today. Some of these feckers are properly taking the piss. Upping the price before they actually have to pay that price to thier suppliers.

Isn't that what all the major retailers do?
Certainly the EG group garages around me have been by far the most expensive for weeks now. First above 150, 160 and now 170.........and rising!

less people flying and driving is good

My EV is arriving tomorrow fingers crossed.