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Posted: **Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:49 am**

Edit:

The French group for the world cup in SA

note Gailleton and Bielle Barré are not going as they are in the Senior Group, let's hope they get selected otherwise they will miss both world cup.

Posted: **Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:58 am**

Looks weak

Posted: **Thu Jun 01, 2023 12:21 pm**

Who does this ?

The Poster is really poor graphically.
The content is even worse: the holders France are represented by a player that is actually missing (Gailleton).

On the top you see 3 nation none of which holds the title.
England was trashed by Ireland not on the poster and France. Italy finished above England ... Yet they head this somehow.

Posted: **Thu Jun 01, 2023 1:29 pm**

Yeah, and Scotland is missing from the poster

Posted: **Thu Jun 01, 2023 1:35 pm**

TheNatalShark wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 1:29 pm Yeah, and Scotland is missing from the poster

Posted: **Thu Jun 01, 2023 2:54 pm**

Let's be Cruel

Posted: **Thu Jun 01, 2023 3:17 pm**

laurent wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 2:54 pm Let's be Cruel

Probably about where England U20's are at present. Think they won the first of these two matches by a similar score in Georgia
Be lucky to get out of Pool B depending on how Fiji play and how good Australia are!!
Hopefully with a new coaching team and a little more interest from the RFU we might get back to somewhere like were a few years back. Not holding my breath mind.

Posted: **Thu Jun 01, 2023 3:17 pm**

U20s Trophy comp.

Pool A
Canada/USA
Scotland
Uruguay
Zimbabwe

Pool B
Hong Kong China (it's how they've listed it on WR site)
Kenya
Samoa
Spain

We had a good cohort when this was supposed to be played in Spain in 2020. Scotland aren't as good now as we were then. We go through a lot of lean years at this level then we get a team comprised of decent players in their second year at U20s and we can just about hold our own against most, but we always suffer up front - that's what led to us being relegated from the top competition last time, we just don't have 120 - 130 kg 19 year olds

Posted: **Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:36 am**

SaintK wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 3:17 pm
laurent wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 2:54 pm Let's be Cruel
Probably about where England U20's are at present. Think they won the first of these two matches by a similar score in Georgia
Be lucky to get out of Pool B depending on how Fiji play and how good Australia are!!
Hopefully with a new coaching team and a little more interest from the RFU we might get back to somewhere like were a few years back. Not holding my breath mind.

Except there appears to be more head in sand stuff by those running the game in England. Take this for example:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union ... er-inside/

Inside England's talent factory

Posted: **Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:37 am**

Can I blame Dean Ryan for this?

Posted: **Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:53 am**

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:42 am Ginger to normal person ratio is too high in the England team. The dogs in the street can see this

L'hopital qui se moque de la charité...

Posted: **Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:54 am**

inactionman wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:37 am Can I blame Dean Ryan for this?

it's been a few years they have poor results, is this the same coach ?

Posted: **Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:57 am**

laurent wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:54 am
inactionman wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:37 am Can I blame Dean Ryan for this?
it's been a few years they have poor results, is this the same coach ?

I can't recall his role exactly, but I understood he essentially dismantled what had previously been a relatively successful coaching and youth setup.

Not something you quickly recover from, especially if the coaches have moved on (willingly or not)

Posted: **Fri Jun 02, 2023 9:00 am**

inactionman wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:37 am Can I blame Dean Ryan for this?

Generally the correct approach tbf.

Posted: **Fri Jun 02, 2023 9:04 am**

to be fair the red headed second row / captain looked rather dull against the French . Maybe there is also some lack of talent too.

Posted: **Fri Jun 02, 2023 9:06 am**

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 9:00 am
inactionman wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:37 am Can I blame Dean Ryan for this?
Generally the correct approach tbf.

Quite! Wielded the axe that destroyed a pretty succesful pathway system.
At least the RFU achieved their cost cutting goals.

Posted: **Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:17 am**

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:47 am
laurent wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 9:04 am to be fair the red headed second row / captain looked rather dull against the French . Maybe there is also some lack of talent too.
All joking aside I quite like the look of him. Think he's the captain? Has a bit of bite and I reckon he'll make it

His older brother was one of the few England players to actually enhance their rep this 6N. U20s Chessum is definitely a little bit spikey, but I'd say it won't be long before we see him alongside his brother in the senior England side.

Posted: **Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:49 am**

JUNIOR SPRINGBOK SQUAD:

Props: Corne Lavagna (Vodacom Bulls), Dian Heunis (Cell C Sharks), Mawande Mdanda (Vodacom Bulls), Phatu Ganyane (Cell C Sharks), Zachary Porthen (DHL Western Province).

Hookers: Juann Else (Vodacom Bulls), SJ Kotze (Lions).

Locks: Coetzee le Roux (Cell C Sharks), Tiaan Wessels (Lions), JF van Heerden (Vodacom Bulls).

Loose forwards: Abulele Ndabambi (Vodacom Bulls), Corne Beets (Vodacom Bulls), Gcinokuhle Mdletshe (Vodacom Bulls), Ghudian van Reenen (Vodacom Bulls), Jannes Potgieter (Cell C Sharks) Paul de Villiers (captain, DHL Western Province).

Scrumhalves: Imad Khan (DHL Western Province), Neil le Roux (Vodacom Bulls).

Flyhalves: Jean Smith (Cell C Sharks), Sam Francis (Lions).

Centres: Damian Markus (DHL Western Province), Ethan Hooker (Cell C Sharks), Jurenzo Julius (Cell C Sharks), Katlego Letebele (vice-captain, Vodacom Bulls), Litelihle Bester (Cell C Sharks).

Outside backs: Masande Mtshali (SA Sevens contracted), Michael Annies (Toyota Cheetahs), Quewin Nortje (Vodacom Bulls), Hakeem Kunene (Cell C Sharks), Regan Izaks (Vodacom Bulls).

WORLD RUGBY U20 CHAMPIONSHIP POOL FIXTURES:

Saturday, 24 June:

19h00: Junior Boks v Georgia (Danie Craven Stadium, Stellenbosch)

Thursday, 29 June:

16h00: Junior Boks v Italy (Paarl Gymnasium, Paarl)

Tuesday, 4 July:

19h00: Junior Boks v Argentina (Athlone Stadium, Cape Town)

Posted: **Fri Jun 02, 2023 3:22 pm**

Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 3:17 pm U20s Trophy comp.

Pool A
Canada/USA
Scotland
Uruguay
Zimbabwe

Pool B
Hong Kong China (it's how they've listed it on WR site)
Kenya
Samoa
Spain

We had a good cohort when this was supposed to be played in Spain in 2020. Scotland aren't as good now as we were then. We go through a lot of lean years at this level then we get a team comprised of decent players in their second year at U20s and we can just about hold our own against most, but we always suffer up front - that's what led to us being relegated from the top competition last time, we just don't have 120 - 130 kg 19 year olds

Have we merged with the US now because we're both crap?

Posted: **Fri Jun 02, 2023 3:58 pm**

Niegs wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 3:22 pm
Tichtheid wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 3:17 pm U20s Trophy comp.

Pool A
Canada/USA
Scotland
Uruguay
Zimbabwe

Pool B
Hong Kong China (it's how they've listed it on WR site)
Kenya
Samoa
Spain

We had a good cohort when this was supposed to be played in Spain in 2020. Scotland aren't as good now as we were then. We go through a lot of lean years at this level then we get a team comprised of decent players in their second year at U20s and we can just about hold our own against most, but we always suffer up front - that's what led to us being relegated from the top competition last time, we just don't have 120 - 130 kg 19 year olds
Have we merged with the US now because we're both crap?

it's a two leg qualification match in a few days time to determine who goes through, don't give up hope!

Posted: **Sun Jun 04, 2023 5:53 am**

Looking forward to this

Posted: **Mon Jun 12, 2023 4:17 pm**

Lots of rain. Expect some mud fields.

Posted: **Mon Jun 12, 2023 11:02 pm**

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:49 am JUNIOR SPRINGBOK SQUAD:

Props: Corne Lavagna (Vodacom Bulls), Dian Heunis (Cell C Sharks), Mawande Mdanda (Vodacom Bulls), Phatu Ganyane (Cell C Sharks), Zachary Porthen (DHL Western Province).

Hookers: Juann Else (Vodacom Bulls), SJ Kotze (Lions).

Locks: Coetzee le Roux (Cell C Sharks), Tiaan Wessels (Lions), JF van Heerden (Vodacom Bulls).

Loose forwards: Abulele Ndabambi (Vodacom Bulls), Corne Beets (Vodacom Bulls), Gcinokuhle Mdletshe (Vodacom Bulls), Ghudian van Reenen (Vodacom Bulls), Jannes Potgieter (Cell C Sharks) Paul de Villiers (captain, DHL Western Province).

Scrumhalves: Imad Khan (DHL Western Province), Neil le Roux (Vodacom Bulls).

Flyhalves: Jean Smith (Cell C Sharks), Sam Francis (Lions).

Centres: Damian Markus (DHL Western Province), Ethan Hooker (Cell C Sharks), Jurenzo Julius (Cell C Sharks), Katlego Letebele (vice-captain, Vodacom Bulls), Litelihle Bester (Cell C Sharks).

Outside backs: Masande Mtshali (SA Sevens contracted), Michael Annies (Toyota Cheetahs), Quewin Nortje (Vodacom Bulls), Hakeem Kunene (Cell C Sharks), Regan Izaks (Vodacom Bulls).

WORLD RUGBY U20 CHAMPIONSHIP POOL FIXTURES:

Saturday, 24 June:

19h00: Junior Boks v Georgia (Danie Craven Stadium, Stellenbosch)

Thursday, 29 June:

16h00: Junior Boks v Italy (Paarl Gymnasium, Paarl)

Tuesday, 4 July:

19h00: Junior Boks v Argentina (Athlone Stadium, Cape Town)

Any guys to look out for as future Boks

Posted: **Tue Jun 13, 2023 8:15 am**

Masterji wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2023 11:02 pm

Any guys to look out for as future Boks

Your question reminded me that the U20s championship was where I first saw Steven Kitshoff play and I immediately thought he was going to be a Bok.

However I got a bit of shock when I looked it up just now and saw that it was in 2012!

Posted: **Sun Jun 18, 2023 4:40 pm**

The French have landed

Posted: **Wed Jun 21, 2023 6:43 pm**

French blowing everyone away when it comes to senior experience in their U20 squad.

Posted: **Wed Jun 21, 2023 7:24 pm**

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 6:43 pm French blowing everyone away when it comes to senior experience in their U20 squad.

First 2 are not there (they are in the Senior training squad )

Posted: **Wed Jun 21, 2023 7:48 pm**

Ah fair enough. U20 players, rather than necessarily guys at the JWC

Posted: **Wed Jun 21, 2023 7:51 pm**

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 7:48 pm Ah fair enough. U20 players, rather than necessarily guys at the JWC

Seriously doubt these two will make the cut for the world cup, it's a bit unfair to them but they have been impressive in top 14 and U20 6nations.

Posted: **Wed Jun 21, 2023 9:35 pm**

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 6:43 pm French blowing everyone away when it comes to senior experience in their U20 squad.

Hartzenberg is injured.

Posted: **Thu Jun 22, 2023 12:05 pm**

The French team for saturday.

Posted: **Thu Jun 22, 2023 1:14 pm**

Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 6:43 pm French blowing everyone away when it comes to senior experience in their U20 squad.

Top 14 season being what it is, I assume those numbers are "matches played"

Posted: **Thu Jun 22, 2023 1:23 pm**

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2023 1:14 pm
Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 6:43 pm French blowing everyone away when it comes to senior experience in their U20 squad.

Top 14 season being what it is, I assume those numbers are "matches played"

This is what happens when your league is viable

Posted: **Thu Jun 22, 2023 1:32 pm**

England team to lose to their Irish counterparts

Posted: **Thu Jun 22, 2023 1:48 pm**

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2023 1:32 pm England team to lose to their Irish counterparts

Maybe THIS is the game where Slevin doesn't look like a back 3 player forced into playing 10?

Posted: **Thu Jun 22, 2023 4:22 pm**

Italia for saturday's morning match vs. Argentina:

If only we had two decent halves (Garbisi brothers for example)........

15. BRISIGHELLA Simone (2004, Rugby Viadana 1970)

14. GESI Alessandro (2003, Livorno Rugby)

13. PASSARELLA Dewi (2003, Benetton Rugby Treviso)

12. BOZZO Nicola (2004, U.S. Arlequins Perpignanais)

11. DOUGLAS Matthias Leon (2003, Mogliano Veneto Rugby)

10. SANTE Giovanni (2003, Montpellier Hérault Rugby)

9. BATTARA Sebastiano (2003, Mogliano Veneto Rugby)

8. BOTTURI Jacopo (2004, Rugby Calvisano)

7. ODIASE David (2003, Oyonnax Rugby)

6. BERLESE Carlos (2003, Ruggers Tarvisium)

5. TURRISI Pietro (2003, Racing 92 Paris)

4. MATTIOLI Alex (2003, Rugby Colorno 1975)

3. GALLORINI Marcos Francesco (2004, Unione Rugby Capitolina)

2. QUATTRINI Giovanni (2003, Asd Rugby Milano)

1. AMINU Destiny Ugiagbe (2003, Mogliano Veneto Rugby)

A disposizione

16. GASPERINI Nicholas (2004, Stade Français Paris)

17. BARTOLINI Riccardo (2003, Cavalieri U.R. Prato Sesto)

18. PISANI Federico Domenico (2004, Verona Rugby)

19. PONTARINI Enrico (2003, Rugby Casale)

20. RUARO Fabio (2003, Rugby Parma F.C. 1931)

21. CASILIO Lorenzo (2004, Rugby Paese)

22. BOZZONI Filippo (2003, Rugby Calvisano)

23. ELETTRI Lorenzo (2004, Rugby Rovigo Delta)

Posted: **Thu Jun 22, 2023 6:28 pm**

The Junior Springbok team to face Georgia in Stellenbosch:

15. Hakeem Kunene – uncapped

14. Jurenzo Julius – uncapped

13. Katlego Letebele (vice-captain) – 2 caps, 0 points

12. Ethan Hooker – uncapped

11. Masande Mtshali – uncapped

10. Jean Smith – uncapped

9. Imad Khan – 4 caps, 5 points (1 try)

8. Abulele Ndabambi – uncapped

7. Ghudian van Reenen – uncapped

6. Paul de Villiers (captain) – 4 caps, 0 points

5. JF van Heerden – uncapped

4. Coetzee Le Roux – uncapped

3. Mawande Mdanda – uncapped

2. Juann Else – 3 caps, 0 points

1. Phatu Ganyane – uncapped

Replacements:

16. SJ Kotze – uncapped

17. Corné Lavagna – 2 caps, 0 points

18. Zachary Porthen – uncapped

19. Jannes Potgieter – uncapped

20. Gcinokuhle Mdletshe – 4 caps, 0 points

21. Neil Le Roux – 3 caps, 0 points

22. Damian Markus – uncapped

23. Michael Annies – uncapped

Match information – South Africa v Georgia

Venue: Danie Craven Stadium, Stellenbosch

Date: Saturday, 24 June 2023

Kick-off: 19h00

Referee: Ben Breakspear (Wales)

Posted: **Thu Jun 22, 2023 9:25 pm**

Posted: **Thu Jun 22, 2023 9:33 pm**

Glasgow coach Franco Smith youngest boy Jean , play flyhalf for SA u20s. Born in Italy.

Posted: **Fri Jun 23, 2023 11:59 am**

OomStruisbaai wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2023 9:33 pm Glasgow coach Franco Smith youngest boy Jean , play flyhalf for SA u20s. Born in Italy.

I think he was born in Treviso,
Wallaby flyhalf Tom Lynagh was born in Treviso too..
Almost half of Italy under 20 come from Treviso...

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