I wonder who this is...................

[Torquemada 1420]

It sleazy behaviour whatever, I would be pretty disgusted if one of my mates was up to that behind his wife’s back.

As per the Jonathan Pie link, what business is it of yours? My father always used to say to me a kid "I don't give a sh*t what consenting adults do as long as it doesn't have a detrimental impact upon society".

You are within your rights to choose your friends in such a scenario but are way beyond the pale if you think it gives you the right to try and assist in destroying his life.

[Torquemada 1420]

Class conscious teacup??

Arguably the boy blowing 35k on drugs has been harmed. Would you be happy if that was your son? I wouldn’t.

And as I pointed out to YMX earlier on exactly the same point (which he conveniently chose to duck), what TF is the connection between the money and the alleged drug use? Plenty of coke heads in the City (pretty much all of the c**ts in the investment banks). Are their employers responsible for their habits?

So, no. If I had a son who blew (literally or metaphorically) £35k on drugs, I would not be happy. Either at the waste of money or the impact upon his health. Question is, would I be happy then if friends and family thought it was the result of my poor parenting? Because that seems at least an equally viable driver?

[Torquemada 1420]

I am not upset at all I just think it’s all a bit creepy and sordid. I also thoroughly disapprove of people cheating in a marriage.

In which case we'd be hanging out to dry a very significant portion of the populace. And no, I've never done so.

[C69]

I am not upset at all I just think it’s all a bit creepy and sordid. I also thoroughly disapprove of people cheating in a marriage.

In which case we'd be hanging out to dry a very significant portion of the populace. And no, I've never done so.

I expect then that he as expressed his disgust about Boris and his repeated cheating time and time again.

Oh wait...

[Yeeb]

Arguably the boy blowing 35k on drugs has been harmed. Would you be happy if that was your son? I wouldn’t.

I reckon I've probably thrown a similar amount of cash into ...

actually, I've spent an absolute shitload more than that over the years. Not just 'drugs' though... booze is a drug but most seperate it out as it's socially acceptable, even admired.

What's the target of your angst here? Social harm from drug use? Scandalous behaviour from a BBC figure? Boris Johnson fathering yet another child? The ridiculous division in society caused by inequality and the deliberate policy of keeping it that way?

What are you upset about, really?

I am not upset at all I just think it’s all a bit creepy and sordid. I also thoroughly disapprove of people cheating in a marriage.

Which one ?

[Tichtheid]

Some people might be silly enough to dismiss this because it involves Alastair Campbell, but last year Men's Health published an interview/conversation with Campbell and Huw Edwards. They talk, amongst other things, about Edwards' 20 year history of mental health issues

https://www.menshealth.com/uk/mental-st ... al-health/

[Yeeb]

Some people might be silly enough to dismiss this because it involves Alastair Campbell, but last year Men's Health published an interview/conversation with Campbell and Huw Edwards. They talk, amongst other things, about Edwards' 20 year history of mental health issues

https://www.menshealth.com/uk/mental-st ... al-health/

Mental health is very important for everyone and rightly more of a thing these days - I can’t help though but think it’s open for abuse and and excuse for dodgy unethical behaviour . (Not saying necessarily it’s the case for Huw Edwards).

Am big into my LGBT rights and stuff and proud to have several lesbian and gay pals, just hope people getting outed doesn’t align some peoples thinking that being gay = a mental illness

[Ymx]

It sleazy behaviour whatever, I would be pretty disgusted if one of my mates was up to that behind his wife’s back.

As per the Jonathan Pie link, what business is it of yours? My father always used to say to me a kid "I don't give a sh*t what consenting adults do as long as it doesn't have a detrimental impact upon society".

You are within your rights to choose your friends in such a scenario but are way beyond the pale if you think it gives you the right to try and assist in destroying his life.

I think that’s a hell of a difference if you are a significant public figure. They will be held to a higher level of account.
Much like Boris and his cake.

[Tichtheid]

Some people might be silly enough to dismiss this because it involves Alastair Campbell, but last year Men's Health published an interview/conversation with Campbell and Huw Edwards. They talk, amongst other things, about Edwards' 20 year history of mental health issues

https://www.menshealth.com/uk/mental-st ... al-health/

Mental health is very important for everyone and rightly more of a thing these days - I can’t help though but think it’s open for abuse and and excuse for dodgy unethical behaviour . (Not saying necessarily it’s the case for Huw Edwards).

Criminality is still criminality, if someone has done something illegal they will, hopefully, be caught and punished appropriately. In certain situations mental health issues can be taken into account when sentencing, but I think it's incorrect to say it is used to excuse criminality or unethical behaviour.

Am big into my LGBT rights and stuff and proud to have several lesbian and gay pals, just hope people getting outed doesn’t align some peoples thinking that being gay = a mental illness

Only a nutter would think gay = a mental illness.

However, we are a long way from prejudice and bigotry being a thing of the past (I'm not going too say "intolerance", that word can get fucked - how dare anyones say they tolerate someone despite their "gayness") and there are pressures on people whose sexuality doesn't fit in with what they have been brought up to believe is "right" or "normal".

[I like neeps]

It sleazy behaviour whatever, I would be pretty disgusted if one of my mates was up to that behind his wife’s back.

As per the Jonathan Pie link, what business is it of yours? My father always used to say to me a kid "I don't give a sh*t what consenting adults do as long as it doesn't have a detrimental impact upon society".

You are within your rights to choose your friends in such a scenario but are way beyond the pale if you think it gives you the right to try and assist in destroying his life.

I think that’s a hell of a difference if you are a significant public figure. They will be held to a higher level of account.
Much like Boris and his cake.

Too obvious trolling attempt, must try harder.

[Tichtheid]

It sleazy behaviour whatever, I would be pretty disgusted if one of my mates was up to that behind his wife’s back.

As per the Jonathan Pie link, what business is it of yours? My father always used to say to me a kid "I don't give a sh*t what consenting adults do as long as it doesn't have a detrimental impact upon society".

You are within your rights to choose your friends in such a scenario but are way beyond the pale if you think it gives you the right to try and assist in destroying his life.

I think that’s a hell of a difference if you are a significant public figure. They will be held to a higher level of account.
Much like Boris and his cake.

IIRC the cake incident was him breaking the lockdown rules that he was telling the rest of us to adhere to on tv every night

[Tichtheid]

As per the Jonathan Pie link, what business is it of yours? My father always used to say to me a kid "I don't give a sh*t what consenting adults do as long as it doesn't have a detrimental impact upon society".

You are within your rights to choose your friends in such a scenario but are way beyond the pale if you think it gives you the right to try and assist in destroying his life.

I think that’s a hell of a difference if you are a significant public figure. They will be held to a higher level of account.
Much like Boris and his cake.

Too obvious trolling attempt, must try harder.

True, I took the bait but it did seem a completely ridiculous thing to say.

[tc27]

Some people might be silly enough to dismiss this because it involves Alastair Campbell, but last year Men's Health published an interview/conversation with Campbell and Huw Edwards. They talk, amongst other things, about Edwards' 20 year history of mental health issues

https://www.menshealth.com/uk/mental-st ... al-health/

Mental health is very important for everyone and rightly more of a thing these days - I can’t help though but think it’s open for abuse and and excuse for dodgy unethical behaviour . (Not saying necessarily it’s the case for Huw Edwards).

Am big into my LGBT rights and stuff and proud to have several lesbian and gay pals, just hope people getting outed doesn’t align some peoples thinking that being gay = a mental illness

I am just cynical on people playing the MH card as soon as they get exposed for bad behavior in the public sphere.

Yes these events must cause unbelievable levels of stress that set of depression and anxiety and I am sympathetic to that. However being gay or bisexual and paying for pornagraphic material are not mental health issues. To the extent you could be criticized or embarrassed for being revealed for either I don't think you can use MH as an excuse for either or to instantly stop any further discussion.

On the other hand I cant see how this (what Hugh Edwards does it his spare time) can be justified by public interest.

I think there would only be a public interest if was a politician holding office (because it would be the kind of behavior that would expose them to blackmail)

[Ymx]

Did Huw Edwards do reporting on Schofield? Or did he sweatily dodge that bullet?

[sockwithaticket]

It sleazy behaviour whatever, I would be pretty disgusted if one of my mates was up to that behind his wife’s back.

As per the Jonathan Pie link, what business is it of yours? My father always used to say to me a kid "I don't give a sh*t what consenting adults do as long as it doesn't have a detrimental impact upon society".

You are within your rights to choose your friends in such a scenario but are way beyond the pale if you think it gives you the right to try and assist in destroying his life.

I think that’s a hell of a difference if you are a significant public figure. They will be held to a higher level of account.
Much like Boris and his cake.

None of us know to what extent this was behind his wife's back. Some couples swing, some couples look at porn together and so on. Until we hear otherwise, we don't know and you're inventing any notion of infidelity.

Even if it turns out to be the case, infidelity is not a fireable offence, it is not a criminal offence. It may be distasteful, but it is an entirely private matter. The only sphere in which is may matter is when one's position is reliant on apparent honesty and where it may confirm a pattern of mendacity a la our ex-PM the Bumblecunt.

You keep saying a newsreader is a significant public figure and I struggle to understand why. He might be more recognisable than my post-man, but he is just doing a job and he was perfectly capable of doing that job while this was going on in the background unbeknownst to anyone.

He doesn't have any particular access of privileged information in which the potential for him to be blackmailed over his extracurriculars may matter, for example.

A lot of the critique from those of you who lean right reeks of a heady mixture of general anti-BBC sentiment and puritanical moral panic.

[fishfoodie]

I hadn’t read that when I made the comment.

It sleazy behaviour whatever, I would be pretty disgusted if one of my mates was up to that behind his wife’s back.

It's nobody's business what anyone gets up to. Are you completely above reproach? Do any of us need to know about this? No law was broken, no-one was harmed...

it's a storm in a class conscious tea cup.

Class conscious teacup??

Arguably the boy blowing 35k on drugs has been harmed. Would you be happy if that was your son? I wouldn’t.

It's worth remembering that the source of the "blowing 35k on drugs" allegation, is the same one that said there was illegal activity, which the Police have since investigated & found no evidence of.

The relationship between the parents & young adult, & what we've seen so far, would make me deep sceptical of everything they've said.

The young adult may use drugs, this would hardly make them unique ?

The young adult may have had an online sexual relationship, this again would hardly be a first ?

The young adult may have received money from their sugar Daddy, again, creepy, but certainly not a first.

[Ymx]

A newsreader is a public figure, whose integrity is extremely important. I’ve no idea why you are pathetically trying to contort this.

As for, we don’t know about their private life arrangements. Get fucking real. What are the probabilities that this is all fine by the wife. Her statement certainly did not support your maybe assertions. “But but but, we don’t know for sure?” Get fucking real.

I strongly doubt you gave as much benefit of the doubt to Prince Andrew, ffs.

[Sandstorm]

I am just cynical on people playing the MH card as soon as they get exposed for bad behavior in the public sphere.

Standard advice by anyone's PR people these days unfortunately.

[sockwithaticket]

A newsreader is a public figure, whose integrity is extremely important. I’ve no idea why you are pathetically trying to contort this.

As for, we don’t know about their private life arrangements. Get fucking real. What are the probabilities that this is all fine by the wife. Her statement certainly did not support your maybe assertions. “But but but, we don’t know for sure?” Get fucking real.

I strongly doubt you gave as much benefit of the doubt to Prince Andrew, ffs.

It's not contortion, it's a disagreement over the worth and status of his position. Millenials generally don't get our news from the telly. Newsreaders are not important to us and we're baffled by why they would be to anyone else. If they were doing any actual journalism, perhaps their integrity would matter, but their job really is to read the research and words of other people off an auto-cue. I don't see how his sexual proclivities have any influence over that content.

I'm not making assertions, I'm suggesting possibilities. The wife's statement doesn't support what you're alleging either. I wouldn't expect it to, nor my suggestions. People tend not to include the sexual parameters of their relationship, which are none of anyone's business provided they remain within the bounds of the law, when announcing that their husband is currently receiving mental health treatment.

Tbh I largely let the Prince Andrew thing pass me by. I already think very lowly of the Royals, one of them turning our to be a creepy hebephile barely even scratches the surface of why I want them gone.

[Tichtheid]

I thought Vicky Find's statement read very supportive of her husband and full of concern for his well-being, just now was the first time I read it

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66182922#

[I like neeps]

A newsreader is a public figure, whose integrity is extremely important. I’ve no idea why you are pathetically trying to contort this.

As for, we don’t know about their private life arrangements. Get fucking real. What are the probabilities that this is all fine by the wife. Her statement certainly did not support your maybe assertions. “But but but, we don’t know for sure?” Get fucking real.

I strongly doubt you gave as much benefit of the doubt to Prince Andrew, ffs.

It's not contortion, it's a disagreement over the worth and status of his position. Millenials generally don't get our news from the telly. Newsreaders are not important to us and we're baffled by why they would be to anyone else. If they were doing any actual journalism, perhaps their integrity would matter, but their job really is to read the research and words of other people off an auto-cue. I don't see how his sexual proclivities have any influence over that content.

I'm not making assertions, I'm suggesting possibilities. The wife's statement doesn't support what you're alleging either. I wouldn't expect it to, nor my suggestions. People tend not to include the sexual parameters of their relationship, which are none of anyone's business provided they remain within the bounds of the law, when announcing that their husband is currently receiving mental health treatment.

Tbh I largely let the Prince Andrew thing pass me by. I already think very lowly of the Royals, one of them turning our to be a creepy hebephile barely even scratches the surface of why I want them gone.

Newsreader is a high status position within society because they're so visible. But anyone who looks to newsreaders for positions on morality or is interested in what porn gets them off is a weirdo, or in YMX's case, a troll.

[Ymx]

Sock, if you don’t think public figures should not be held to a high standard, the integrity of a news reader does not matter, you’re on a different planet.

Your suggestion of the remote possibility there is some deviant relationship agreement, which has never been alluded to by anyone directly involved. All this stretching to avoid the most highly probable outcome, that she was not accommodating of this behaviour. I’m not 100% sure it speaks more of his character if it were to be true. But you’re hoping for the let’s quash it, and paint the most probable thing as irresponsible speculation, and tail it with a let’s wait and see. Rather predictable for a creepy lefty.

All this whilst ignoring the impact of the children on both families. One who is a drug addict. The other side who have to face the actions of what their father has done. How old are your kids? If say 10, imagine in just 7 years time, some perverted 60 year old offers them money for sex pics. Go on, look at your children and imagine that!! How would you feel about this?? I’d be pretty determined to see this vile predator be exposed. Would you seriously not??

As for Prince Andrew. I’m not sure about how you specifically handled discussing it with your peers, but I’d venture to say most people did not afford him innocent til proven guilty, to the extent he was exhiled, retired from duty.

[Yeeb]

Some people might be silly enough to dismiss this because it involves Alastair Campbell, but last year Men's Health published an interview/conversation with Campbell and Huw Edwards. They talk, amongst other things, about Edwards' 20 year history of mental health issues

https://www.menshealth.com/uk/mental-st ... al-health/

Mental health is very important for everyone and rightly more of a thing these days - I can’t help though but think it’s open for abuse and and excuse for dodgy unethical behaviour . (Not saying necessarily it’s the case for Huw Edwards).

Criminality is still criminality, if someone has done something illegal they will, hopefully, be caught and punished appropriately. In certain situations mental health issues can be taken into account when sentencing, but I think it's incorrect to say it is used to excuse criminality or unethical behaviour.

Am big into my LGBT rights and stuff and proud to have several lesbian and gay pals, just hope people getting outed doesn’t align some peoples thinking that being gay = a mental illness

Only a nutter would think gay = a mental illness.

However, we are a long way from prejudice and bigotry being a thing of the past (I'm not going too say "intolerance", that word can get fucked - how dare anyones say they tolerate someone despite their "gayness") and there are pressures on people whose sexuality doesn't fit in with what they have been brought up to believe is "right" or "normal".

Most of Africa and southern USA seem to think being gay = mental illness that can be cured or taught out of them

[Tichtheid]

Most of Africa and southern USA seem to think being gay = mental illness that can be cured or taught out of them

I'm sure there are still many in the "West" labouring under the misapprehension too, particularly the overtly religious and wing nut Right, it's 50 years since the American Psychiatric Association and the Royal College of Psychiatrists dismissed homosexuality as a mental disorder and removed it from their diagnostic list. WHO did likewise but it took them until 1992.

[sockwithaticket]

Sock, if you don’t think public figures should not be held to a high standard, the integrity of a news reader does not matter, you’re on a different planet.

Your suggestion of the remote possibility there is some deviant relationship agreement, which has never been alluded to by anyone directly involved. All this stretching to avoid the most highly probable outcome, that she was not accommodating of this behaviour. I’m not 100% sure it speaks more of his character if it were to be true. But you’re hoping for the let’s quash it, and paint the most probable thing as irresponsible speculation, and tail it with a let’s wait and see. Rather predictable for a creepy lefty.

All this whilst ignoring the impact of the children on both families. One who is a drug addict. The other side who have to face the actions of what their father has done. How old are your kids? If say 10, imagine in just 7 years time, some perverted 60 year old offers them money for sex pics. Go on, look at your children and imagine that!! How would you feel about this?? I’d be pretty determined to see this vile predator be exposed. Would you seriously not??

As for Prince Andrew. I’m not sure about how you specifically handled discussing it with your peers, but I’d venture to say most people did not afford him innocent til proven guilty, to the extent he was exhiled, retired from duty.

As to the bolded, it's moot because the version you're repeating is completely unsubstantiated and even The Sun are trying to backpeddle away from it. If he had actually purchased pictures from someone below the legal age of selling them, I wouldn't have expected the police to conclude there was nothing to investigate and walk away from the situation. So what you're calling vile and predatory is one person of age selling photos of themselves to another person of age, just like 1000s of people only OnlyFans do every day.

It's not great that the seller was a drug addict, but so are an awful lot of people unbeknownst to us all. Many resort to much less safe methods of selling their bodies than sending pictures to those interested in order to fund habits. I've not seen anything to indicate to suggest that Edwards was ware his purchases were sustaining a habit.

If I had kids, it's certainly not something I'd want them to be doing, I'd like to think they'd have better prospects than needing to sell their bodies for money and as a tee-totaller who often lectured friends about their drug use in our teens and twenties I wouldn't be thrilled if they were hooked on a substance either. As adults they'd be free to make their own choices, though, and I would be there to help them clean up if that's what they decided to do.


We're just going to continue talking past each other on the rest of it, so there's no real point picking it up.

[SaintK]

Most of Africa and southern USA seem to think being gay = mental illness that can be cured or taught out of them

You for got to add Middle East to your list and jail and torture!

[Torquemada 1420]

It sleazy behaviour whatever, I would be pretty disgusted if one of my mates was up to that behind his wife’s back.

As per the Jonathan Pie link, what business is it of yours? My father always used to say to me a kid "I don't give a sh*t what consenting adults do as long as it doesn't have a detrimental impact upon society".

You are within your rights to choose your friends in such a scenario but are way beyond the pale if you think it gives you the right to try and assist in destroying his life.

I think that’s a hell of a difference if you are a significant public figure. They will be held to a higher level of account.
Much like Boris and his cake.

Not in my eyes but it depends upon how you are defining "significant". Sure, if you are a public figure whose function (e.g. priest) implies some moral code or one who chooses to espouse/pontificate (Boris) on morality, yeah shoot on sight. Because it's blatant hypocrisy.

[Yeeb]

Most of Africa and southern USA seem to think being gay = mental illness that can be cured or taught out of them

You for got to add Middle East to your list and jail and torture!

Ah mate some things are just too obvious to bother mentioning with

[Sandstorm]

Why are you guys engaging with Bimbo-lite on this topic?

[sockwithaticket]

Why are you guys engaging with Bimbo-lite on this topic?

Slow friday.

[JM2K6]

Cannot begin to imagine the brain contortions required to unironically compare this to former Mayor, MP, and ex Prime Minister Boris Johnson's various acts of sleaze in public office, let alone Prince fucking Andrew, the member of the Royal Family accused of raping a trafficked teenager who was provided to him by notorious paedophile and sex trafficker billionaire Jeffrey Epstein.

[Torquemada 1420]

A newsreader is a public figure, whose integrity is extremely important. I’ve no idea why you are pathetically trying to contort this.

The only part that requires integrity is the factual content and the fairness of presentation of that content. If integrity really mattered, surely you'd be all over The Sun on this thread?

[Torquemada 1420]

Cannot begin to imagine the brain contortions required to unironically compare this to former Mayor, MP, and ex Prime Minister Boris Johnson's various acts of sleaze in public office, let alone Prince fucking Andrew, the member of the Royal Family accused of raping a trafficked teenager who was provided to him by notorious paedophile and sex trafficker billionaire Jeffrey Epstein.

Shhhhh. You are not allowed to mention those whom the armed forces honourably served.

[Uncle fester]

Cannot begin to imagine the brain contortions required to unironically compare this to former Mayor, MP, and ex Prime Minister Boris Johnson's various acts of sleaze in public office, let alone Prince fucking Andrew, the member of the Royal Family accused of raping a trafficked teenager who was provided to him by notorious paedophile and sex trafficker billionaire Jeffrey Epstein.

And they are only comparing when it suits them. For instance, I don't remember any complaints about Bojo's bed hopping until it was used as a stick to beat Huw/BBC with.

[Ymx]

Piers Morgan’s take




Cue the instant dismissal
- it’s piers
- the sun
- phone hacking
- etc

Rather than reasoning with the content

[C69]

Piers Morgan’s take




Cue the instant dismissal
- it’s piers
- the sun
- phone hacking
- etc

Rather than reasoning with the content

I don't get your passive aggressive point tbh.

[Ymx]

Just killing time, sitting by the pool.

Did you watch it?

[C69]

Just killing time, sitting by the pool.

Did you watch it?

Yes and I don't mind Morgan his series on serial killers was excellent

[Ymx]

On topic, a certain segment of the online community have shifted from supporting Huw with his private life habits to venomous bile targeted at Dan Wootton with all sorts of accusations despite complete absence of any article or publication.

For the record, I find Wootton rather repulsive.

It’s just funny

[Tichtheid]

Morgan is wrong.
How the Murdoch press has waged a relentless campaign against the BBC (and why it’s worked)

https://theconversation.com/how-the-mur ... rked-45523


There is more on the topic in here