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Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Sep 16, 2023 6:44 pm Looks like the independent have made up their mind. Look at the footer of the article. That’s pretty shocking to slap that in there.

Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Sep 16, 2023 6:44 pm Looks like the independent have made up their mind. Look at the footer of the article. That’s pretty shocking to slap that in there.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 16, 2023 7:00 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Sep 16, 2023 6:44 pm Looks like the independent have made up their mind. Look at the footer of the article. That’s pretty shocking to slap that in there.

Why is it shocking? Pretty common place these days for articles that talk about certain traumatic events to do that

One woman alleges that Brand raped her against a wall in his Los Angeles home. She was treated at a rape crisis centre on the same day, according to medical records. Text messages show that in the hours after leaving his house, she told Brand that she had been scared by him and felt taken advantage of, adding: “When a girl say[s] NO it means no.” Brand replied saying he was “very sorry”.

Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Sep 16, 2023 7:15 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 16, 2023 7:00 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Sep 16, 2023 6:44 pm Looks like the independent have made up their mind. Look at the footer of the article. That’s pretty shocking to slap that in there.

Why is it shocking? Pretty common place these days for articles that talk about certain traumatic events to do that

Only where that event has definitely taken place.

Eg sudden deaths which have been confirmed as suicide, they do it, to drip some information in there.

Not in cases like this. Come on.

Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Sep 16, 2023 7:15 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 16, 2023 7:00 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Sep 16, 2023 6:44 pm Looks like the independent have made up their mind. Look at the footer of the article. That’s pretty shocking to slap that in there.

Why is it shocking? Pretty common place these days for articles that talk about certain traumatic events to do that

Only where that event has definitely taken place.

Eg sudden deaths which have been confirmed as suicide, they do it, to drip some information in there.

Not in cases like this. Come on.

Simian wrote: ↑Sat Sep 16, 2023 7:45 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Sep 16, 2023 7:15 pm

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 16, 2023 7:00 pm

Why is it shocking? Pretty common place these days for articles that talk about certain traumatic events to do that

Only where that event has definitely taken place.

Eg sudden deaths which have been confirmed as suicide, they do it, to drip some information in there.

Not in cases like this. Come on.

simply not true. the guidelines on good reporting practice recommend adding that info on any article raising the topic.

they often/typically include a statement like the one you highlighted on soap operas when there is a storyline around rape. you know soaps are fiction, right?

Lady P wrote: ↑Sat Sep 16, 2023 7:05 pm Thing is, he’s so hatstand that he will just insist it’s a media hatchet job because of his conspiracy BS and his audience will lap it up because that’s what they do. There’s no cancellation to happen here.

el capitan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 16, 2023 9:31 pm Mid 2000's North London and a group of us are on an evening out. Brand tries repeatedly to approach/chat up the girlfriend of one of our group and suggest she goes off with him, whilst a couple of his entourage act as his shield and engage us whilst he "goes about his work". After he's told many times to fuck off, and a bit of a square off, he eventually goes off elsewhere.

So always thought he was an absolute twat and avoided anything he's done on the telly. Wouldn't surprise me if he was an absolute wrong 'un.

Lady P wrote: ↑Sat Sep 16, 2023 7:05 pm Thing is, he’s so hatstand that he will just insist it’s a media hatchet job because of his conspiracy BS and his audience will lap it up because that’s what they do. There’s no cancellation to happen here.

Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 16, 2023 7:38 pm Well, Elon Musk and Andrew Tate have his back, so he's travelling in good company.

He's from Grays.

el capitan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 16, 2023 9:31 pm Mid 2000's North London and a group of us are on an evening out. Brand tries repeatedly to approach/chat up the girlfriend of one of our group and suggest she goes off with him, whilst a couple of his entourage act as his shield and engage us whilst he "goes about his work". After he's told many times to fuck off, and a bit of a square off, he eventually goes off elsewhere.

So always thought he was an absolute twat and avoided anything he's done on the telly. Wouldn't surprise me if he was an absolute wrong 'un.

Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Sep 16, 2023 7:58 pm

Simian wrote: ↑Sat Sep 16, 2023 7:45 pm

Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Sep 16, 2023 7:15 pm

Only where that event has definitely taken place.

Eg sudden deaths which have been confirmed as suicide, they do it, to drip some information in there.

Not in cases like this. Come on.

simply not true. the guidelines on good reporting practice recommend adding that info on any article raising the topic.

they often/typically include a statement like the one you highlighted on soap operas when there is a storyline around rape. you know soaps are fiction, right?

Just piss off, you are such a pound-shop low grade troll.

JM2K6 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 16, 2023 8:04 pm
It was Katherine Ryan I was thinking of; she heavily hinted at it during her Louis Theroux interview.

EnergiseR2 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:00 am

Brazil wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 8:39 am It's staggering that this arsehole was treated like a serious political commentator in 2015. This also confirms the fact that early 2000s Camden was literally the worst place on earth.

Mortgage backed securities and CDO's have a lot to answer for. Nearly all of the cunts came out of the ashes of the 2008 recession

Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Sep 16, 2023 7:56 pm Yeah, this stuff is looking pretty bad for him!!

dpedin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:45 am It really is interesting how all these guys, and they are guys, can survive in 'plain sight' often telling us what they are up to without being held to account. Tate, Saville, Cyril Smyth, Brand, Harris, Epstein and Prince Andrew etc have all given enormous clues as to their predatory behaviour and became so brazen so as to almost brag about it in public and certainly did in private. And when then exposed I and almost everyone I know all say 'well it was feckin obvious' or 'I always thought they were ..'. I understand all the issues around power, money and coercion of their victims and their position in society so as to control or threaten the media, force the police to turn a blind eye and use the law to threaten other, etc but it still mystifies me how these folk live with themselves and the harm they do. What makes them immune to the impact they have on others ... are they all sociopaths?

Openside wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 11:04 am

Ymx wrote: ↑Sat Sep 16, 2023 7:56 pm Yeah, this stuff is looking pretty bad for him!!

There is plenty of dodgy selfish behaviour that doesn’t mean rape. It sounds like this might be down to non condom use rather than non consensual sex (I admit that I don’t know whether ‘pretending’ to use a condom when not constitutes rape) . Is she was raped she deserves justice but why wait 15 years when it sounds like the police were involved at the time??

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 11:14 am

dpedin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:45 am It really is interesting how all these guys, and they are guys, can survive in 'plain sight' often telling us what they are up to without being held to account. Tate, Saville, Cyril Smyth, Brand, Harris, Epstein and Prince Andrew etc have all given enormous clues as to their predatory behaviour and became so brazen so as to almost brag about it in public and certainly did in private. And when then exposed I and almost everyone I know all say 'well it was feckin obvious' or 'I always thought they were ..'. I understand all the issues around power, money and coercion of their victims and their position in society so as to control or threaten the media, force the police to turn a blind eye and use the law to threaten other, etc but it still mystifies me how these folk live with themselves and the harm they do. What makes them immune to the impact they have on others ... are they all sociopaths?

Well, yeah. Maybe not sociopathy specifically, but there's clearly something wrong with the parts of their brains that relate to empathy, otherwise they wouldn't do what they do. Their own wants and needs are skewed from those of regular people and other than wanting to not get caught, they don't seem to have any limitations set on pursuing their aberrant desires. Sometimes they find themselves already born to a position where there's apparatus they can leverage to insulate themselves against consequences of that pursuit (Prince Andrew), while others rise to such a position (Saville).

Lately, when victims are courageous enough to come forward and go on the record they are held to account. Belatedly perhaps, but Epstein was in prison when he killed himself/was bumped off before he could spill his guts and last I heard Tate is awaiting whether a judge will advise for rape and human trafficking charges in Romania to proceed to trial. It just requires a bit more than everyone 'knowing' that someone's a creep.

lemonhead wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 11:27 am

sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 11:14 am

dpedin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:45 am It really is interesting how all these guys, and they are guys, can survive in 'plain sight' often telling us what they are up to without being held to account. Tate, Saville, Cyril Smyth, Brand, Harris, Epstein and Prince Andrew etc have all given enormous clues as to their predatory behaviour and became so brazen so as to almost brag about it in public and certainly did in private. And when then exposed I and almost everyone I know all say 'well it was feckin obvious' or 'I always thought they were ..'. I understand all the issues around power, money and coercion of their victims and their position in society so as to control or threaten the media, force the police to turn a blind eye and use the law to threaten other, etc but it still mystifies me how these folk live with themselves and the harm they do. What makes them immune to the impact they have on others ... are they all sociopaths?

Well, yeah. Maybe not sociopathy specifically, but there's clearly something wrong with the parts of their brains that relate to empathy, otherwise they wouldn't do what they do. Their own wants and needs are skewed from those of regular people and other than wanting to not get caught, they don't seem to have any limitations set on pursuing their aberrant desires. Sometimes they find themselves already born to a position where there's apparatus they can leverage to insulate themselves against consequences of that pursuit (Prince Andrew), while others rise to such a position (Saville).

Lately, when victims are courageous enough to come forward and go on the record they are held to account. Belatedly perhaps, but Epstein was in prison when he killed himself/was bumped off before he could spill his guts and last I heard Tate is awaiting whether a judge will advise for rape and human trafficking charges in Romania to proceed to trial. It just requires a bit more than everyone 'knowing' that someone's a creep.

My Thought Tree which is more accustomed to much lighter subject material did an episode on Saville which was downright chilling.

Seems he almost did want to get caught, which just turns your stomach when you think how did he not die in prison.