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Official Italy v England thread
Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2024 10:21 am
by ASMO
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Italy Team
15 Tommaso ALLAN (Perpignan, 79 caps)
14 Ange CAPUOZZO (Stade Toulousain, 16 caps)
13 Juan Ignacio BREX (Benetton Rugby, 30 caps)
12 Tommaso MENONCELLO (Benetton Rugby, 12 caps)
11 Monty IOANE (Lione 25 caps)
10 Paolo GARBISI (Montpellier, 31 caps)
9 Alessandro GARBISI (Benetton Rugby, 7 caps)
8 Lorenzo CANNONE (Benetton Rugby, 16 caps)
7 Michele LAMARO (Benetton Rugby, 33 caps) – cap
6 Sebastian NEGRI (Benetton Rugby, 52 caps)
5 Federico RUZZA (Benetton Rugby, 49 caps)
4 Niccolò CANNONE (Benetton Rugby, 36 caps)
3 Pietro CECCARELLI (Perpignan, 31 caps)
2 Gianmarco LUCCHESI (Benetton Rugby, 17 caps)
1 Danilo FISCHETTI (Zebre Parma, 36 caps)
A disposizione
16 Giacomo NICOTERA (Benetton Rugby, 18 caps)
17 Mirco SPAGNOLO (Benetton Rugby, esordiente)
18 Giosuè ZILOCCHI (Benetton Rugby, 16 caps)
19 Andrea ZAMBONIN (Zebre Parma, 3 caps)
20 Edoardo IACHIZZI (Benetton Rugby, 6 caps)
21 Manuel ZULIANI (Benetton Rugby, 17 caps)
22 Stephen VARNEY (Gloucester, 24 caps)
23 Lorenzo PANI (Zebre Parma, 5 caps)
Re: Official Italy v England thread
Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2024 8:12 pm
by PCPhil
I'm really looking forward to this one.
A lot.
Re: Official Italy v England thread
Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2024 9:37 pm
by sefton
Our best chance for a win.
Re: Official Italy v England thread
Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2024 10:09 pm
by Margin__Walker
Sounds like Marcus S is f*cked.
Re: Official Italy v England thread
Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2024 10:17 pm
by petej
Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 10:09 pm
Sounds like Marcus S is f*cked.
Ffs though would be excited to see finn Smith start.
Re: Official Italy v England thread
Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2024 10:40 pm
by Hal Jordan
Fucking England, what the fuck do they do to players in training? Someone's always getting completely fucked in what usually seems to be an unnecessarily hard session or weird non rugby out of the box training idea by some twat.
Re: Official Italy v England thread
Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2024 11:36 pm
by Ovals
Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 10:40 pm
Fucking England, what the fuck do they do to players in training? Someone's always getting completely fucked in what usually seems to be an unnecessarily hard session or weird non rugby out of the box training idea by some twat.
Evidently he was just jogging at the time !!
Re: Official Italy v England thread
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 4:07 am
by Chilli2
Ovals wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 11:36 pm
Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 10:40 pm
Fucking England, what the fuck do they do to players in training? Someone's always getting completely fucked in what usually seems to be an unnecessarily hard session or weird non rugby out of the box training idea by some twat.
Evidently he was just jogging at the time !!
Even more proof that exercise is bad for you.
Re: Official Italy v England thread
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:18 am
by Paddington Bear
Intrigued by what sort of Italy side we see this tournament - this could be anything from a nightmare to a cakewalk.
Re: Official Italy v England thread
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:23 am
by Hal Jordan
Ovals wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 11:36 pm
Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 10:40 pm
Fucking England, what the fuck do they do to players in training? Someone's always getting completely fucked in what usually seems to be an unnecessarily hard session or weird non rugby out of the box training idea by some twat.
Evidently he was just jogging at the time !!
Where? The turf at the Metlife Stadium?
Re: Official Italy v England thread
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 10:03 am
by sturginho
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:18 am
Intrigued by what sort of Italy side we see this tournament - this could be anything from a nightmare to a cakewalk.
I doubt it will be a cakewalk, England aren't THAT bad
Re: Official Italy v England thread
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 10:11 am
by SaintK
sturginho wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 10:03 am
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:18 am
Intrigued by what sort of Italy side we see this tournament - this could be anything from a nightmare to a cakewalk.
I doubt it will be a cakewalk, England aren't THAT bad
Re: Official Italy v England thread
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 10:25 am
by Raggs
sturginho wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 10:03 am
Paddington Bear wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:18 am
Intrigued by what sort of Italy side we see this tournament - this could be anything from a nightmare to a cakewalk.
I doubt it will be a cakewalk, England aren't THAT bad
Never underestimate our ability to make good players look awful!
Re: Official Italy v England thread
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 11:45 am
by Ovals
I'm optimistic about the potential of the England side - but we are notoriously slow starters and this will be a new side with loads of changes from out last outing. It's probably Italy's best chance of beating us - despite their awful World Cup, they have Benneton going really well in the URC and are as strong as they've ever been.
Should be an interesting contest - England should win but expect Italy to very competitive and give them a really tough game.
Re: Official Italy v England thread
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 11:58 am
by sockwithaticket
Pick as many Saints as possible, particularly in the backline. Lancaster did it with Sarries and Gatland did it with the Ospreys, temporarily building around a successful club side mitigates squad greenness and lack of overall familiarity.
Re: Official Italy v England thread
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 12:24 pm
by fishfoodie
Be good to see what players Italy bring thru from their U20s side, who've been increasingly impressive the last few years !
Re: Official Italy v England thread
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 2:10 pm
by sturginho
fishfoodie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 12:24 pm
Be good to see what players Italy bring thru from their U20s side, who've been increasingly impressive the last few years !
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Piloni
Pietro CECCARELLI (Perpignan, 31 caps)
Danilo FISCHETTI (Zebre Parma, 36 caps)
Matteo NOCERA (Zebre Parma, esordiente)
Luca RIZZOLI (Zebre Parma, esordiente)
Mirco SPAGNOLO (Benetton Rugby, esordiente)
Giosuè ZILOCCHI (Benetton Rugby, 16 caps)
Tallonatori
Gianmarco LUCCHESI (Benetton Rugby, 17 caps)
Marco MANFREDI (Zebre Parma, 3 caps)
Giacomo NICOTERA (Benetton Rugby, 18 caps)
Seconde Linee
Niccolò CANNONE (Benetton Rugby, 36 caps)
Edoardo IACHIZZI (Benetton Rugby, 6 caps)
Federico RUZZA (Benetton Rugby, 49 caps)
Andrea ZAMBONIN (Zebre Parma, 3 caps)
Terze Linee
Lorenzo CANNONE (Benetton Rugby, 16 caps)
Riccardo FAVRETTO (Benetton Rugby, 1 cap)
Alessandro IZEKOR (Benetton Rugby, esordiente)
Michele LAMARO (Benetton Rugby, 33 caps)
Sebastian NEGRI (Benetton Rugby, 52 caps)
Ross VINTCENT (Exeter, esordiente)
Manuel ZULIANI (Benetton Rugby, 17 caps)
Mediani di Mischia
Alessandro GARBISI (Benetton Rugby, 7 caps)
Martin PAGE-RELO (Lione, 4 caps)
Stephen VARNEY (Gloucester, 24 caps)
Mediani di Apertura
Tommaso ALLAN (Perpignan, 79 caps)
Paolo GARBISI (Montpellier, 31 caps)
Centri
Juan Ignacio BREX (Benetton Rugby, 30 caps)
Tommaso MENONCELLO (Benetton Rugby, 12 caps)
Federico MORI (Bayonne, 13 caps)
Marco ZANON (Benetton Rugby, 16 caps)
Ali/Estremi
Pierre BRUNO (Zebre Parma, 15 caps)
Ange CAPUOZZO (Stade Toulousain, 16 caps)
Monty IOANE (Lione, 25 caps)
Simone GESI (Zebre Parma, 1 cap)
Lorenzo PANI (Zebre Parma, 5 caps)
Rizzoli, Spagnolo and Vintcent are the newcomers, plus Izekor, although he never played in the u20s
Re: Official Italy v England thread
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 3:35 pm
by PCPhil
Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:23 am
Ovals wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 11:36 pm
Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 10:40 pm
Fucking England, what the fuck do they do to players in training? Someone's always getting completely fucked in what usually seems to be an unnecessarily hard session or weird non rugby out of the box training idea by some twat.
Evidently he was just jogging at the time !!
Where? The turf at the Metlife Stadium?
I hear they had to jump over swinging logs, team building.
Re: Official Italy v England thread
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 5:57 pm
by SaintK
Ovals wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 11:36 pm
Hal Jordan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 10:40 pm
Fucking England, what the fuck do they do to players in training? Someone's always getting completely fucked in what usually seems to be an unnecessarily hard session or weird non rugby out of the box training idea by some twat.
Evidently he was just jogging at the time !!
Definitely out of Saturday's match
Marcus Smith has been ruled out of England’s Six Nations opener against Italy on Saturday, paving the way for namesake Fin to make his debut in Rome. The Harlequins fly-half sustained a calf injury at England’s training camp in Girona and an initial scan has ruled him out of contention for the weekend’s opening round.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20 ... by-union
Re: Official Italy v England thread
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 9:37 pm
by Paddington Bear
Watching full contact and being reminded that Italy could/should have beaten everyone bar us last 6N…
Re: Official Italy v England thread
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 11:34 pm
by Raggs
Alex Mitchell hasn't trained for a few days and only has Thursday to get himself ready, due to an infected cut on his leg...
So that's quite possibly first choice 9, 10 and 12 all out.
Re: Official Italy v England thread
Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 8:45 am
by petej
Raggs wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 11:34 pm
Alex Mitchell hasn't trained for a few days and only has Thursday to get himself ready, due to an infected cut on his leg...
So that's quite possibly first choice 9, 10 and 12 all out.
As jvp and quirke are still crocked we have a lack of fit 9s.
Re: Official Italy v England thread
Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 9:25 am
by sockwithaticket
petej wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 8:45 am
Raggs wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 11:34 pm
Alex Mitchell hasn't trained for a few days and only has Thursday to get himself ready, due to an infected cut on his leg...
So that's quite possibly first choice 9, 10 and 12 all out.
As jvp and quirke are still crocked we have a lack of fit 9s.
Care and Spencer still, you'd imagine Warr would be next in line.
Re: Official Italy v England thread
Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 9:33 am
by Oxbow
Ben Youngs to come out of retirement and score the Grand Slam-winning try
Warning given, we will not tolerate such heresy on this forum
Re: Official Italy v England thread
Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:58 am
by sturginho
Oxbow wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 9:33 am
Ben Youngs to come out of retirement and score the Grand Slam-winning try
Another 100 caps guaranteed!
Re: Official Italy v England thread
Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:08 pm
by Raggs
sturginho wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:58 am
Oxbow wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 9:33 am
Ben Youngs to come out of retirement and score the Grand Slam-winning try
Another 100 caps guaranteed!
ASMO! This is clearly stepping over a line, please, long ban.
Re: Official Italy v England thread
Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 2:53 pm
by sturginho
Don't listen to him Zapp!
Re: Official Italy v England thread
Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 3:30 pm
by Margin__Walker
Predicted team from the Mail
They are usually right
Re: Official Italy v England thread
Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 3:44 pm
by Oxbow
Not overly thrilled with that.
Re: Official Italy v England thread
Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 3:46 pm
by Margin__Walker
What is it about England coaches and blow in Kiwi back rowers. They can't resist it.
Re: Official Italy v England thread
Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 3:57 pm
by inactionman
A little bit pleasantly surprised, a big bit sadly disappointed.
I can't see much on twatter now Musk has rubbed all his musk all over it, any idea on the bench?
Would like to see Fin Smith* but would need a likely need a 3-back bench for that - can he cover for anywhere else?
* eta - although I'll never moan too much about an England side containing George Ford, recent form and fitness concerns notwithstanding
Re: Official Italy v England thread
Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 3:59 pm
by SaintK
Oxbow wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 3:44 pm
Not overly thrilled with that.
Me neither. Hopefully the bench will be a little more exciting
Re: Official Italy v England thread
Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 4:30 pm
by sockwithaticket
Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 3:46 pm
What is it about England coaches and blow in Kiwi back rowers. They can't resist it.
Truly baffling. I fail to see what he offers that Pearson doesn't.
Re: Official Italy v England thread
Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 4:56 pm
by Ovals
sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 4:30 pm
Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 3:46 pm
What is it about England coaches and blow in Kiwi back rowers. They can't resist it.
Truly baffling. I fail to see what he offers that Pearson doesn't.
I've watched Chiefs quite a few times this season - never even noticed him playing
Re: Official Italy v England thread
Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:05 pm
by pjm1
A few thoughts... occasionally constructive and also half-depressed.
We do start slowly and as England have been playing a particular (-ly bad, boring way), so I can sort of see the logic with sticking with a simple gameplan.
But, our teams in Europe have been playing (except Tigers) very differently - more open, expansive and successful!
While international level is normally a different speed etc., I'm not sure that really applies to Italy - I think top level Europe is comparable, tbh.
If we want any sort of decent return from this 6N, we need to build towards a winning game plan over the 5 matches. We have, quite literally, the perfect draw this year, with strictly ascending difficulty. The first game needs to be a preparation for the last two, so what's the right approach to build some foundations?!
Kick-chase is horrible, but it's probably our most effective weapon so far (Chile game excluded). Surprised he hasn't picked Daly and Roebuck as the wingers on that basis.
Ah shit, he really has picked pretty much the worst combos across the park from the squad available, hasn't he?
Re: Official Italy v England thread
Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:06 pm
by inactionman
Ovals wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 4:56 pm
sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 4:30 pm
Margin__Walker wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 3:46 pm
What is it about England coaches and blow in Kiwi back rowers. They can't resist it.
Truly baffling. I fail to see what he offers that Pearson doesn't.
I've watched Chiefs quite a few times this season - never even noticed him playing
He wasn't in squad for sarries game, but I've also not noticed him as standout in games earlier this season. Their young 8 has looked pretty promising though.
I have seen some highly impressive displays by Pearson over a couple of seasons now. Particularly eye-catching was his carrying, not just in the loose where he's got real dynamism but also in the tight - which you'd say Earl probably doesn't excel in.
Re: Official Italy v England thread
Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:09 pm
by ASMO
Dingwall Slade midfield, possibly the worst combination he could have chosen, add in Daly on the wing....this is not a good side compared to what he could have done.
Re: Official Italy v England thread
Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:10 pm
by fishfoodie
Officials
Italy v England
Referee: Paul Williams (NZ)
ARs: Nic Berry (Aus) & Pierre Brousset (Fra) Nika Amashukeli (Geo)
TMO: Brett Cronan (Aus)
Re: Official Italy v England thread
Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:11 pm
by inactionman
ASMO wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:09 pm
Daley Slade midfield, possibly the worst combination he could have chosen....this is not a good side compared to what he could have done.
Dingwall Slade, if I'm reading the quoted tweet correctly -or are you taking that from elsewhere?
Daly on wing, because we're lacking any high-quality young tyros out there.
Re: Official Italy v England thread
Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:13 pm
by ASMO
inactionman wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:11 pm
ASMO wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:09 pm
Daley Slade midfield, possibly the worst combination he could have chosen....this is not a good side compared to what he could have done.
Dingwall Slade, if I'm reading the quoted tweet correctly -or are you taking that from elsewhere?
Daly on wing, because we're lacking any high-quality young tyros out there.
Yep, realised my error....am depressed at this choice if its true.