Ymx wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 4:22 pm
sockwithaticket wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 4:12 pm
In my experience Celts in England tend to inculcate a very strong sense of identity in their offspring.
I've never met more fervent Welsh supporters than those whose connection to soggy land beyond the Severn is a solitary grandparent.
But they must know they are actually English. English accent, upbringing. They can’t be that stupidly brainwashed by their parents?
Not only that, when they visit Wales/Scotland trying to call themselves locals they would be laughed at, they’d only ever be called English by the locals. At most a plastic.
Yeah, you’re massively wrong on this.
I was born in England and my parents didn’t move back to Scotland until I was 13. I’ve identified as Scottish my whole life, despite many people like yourself thinking they had a right to tell me who I am and where my roots are. I expect this doesn’t happen in NZ, as the nearest other country is thousands of miles away.
My uncle was born in Quetta, which is now in Pakistan. Nobody would seriously argue that this made him Pakistani, but exactly this logic is often applied to people who were born in the ‘wrong’ bit of the UK. It is so deeply embedded that there is a unit for premature babies in Rhyl which exists primarily because ‘Welsh babies born in England’ is emotive and politically unacceptable.
Due to work, both my kids ended up born in England and have grown up almost entirely in Wales. They have always identified as Scottish. You don’t get to tell them they’re not.