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All Blacks Vs England Test Series and Fiji Exhibition matchthread

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 1:38 am
by Enzedder
First Test

Match Details: All Blacks v England, Saturday 6 July, 7.05pm NZT, Forsyth Barr Stadium, Dunedin.

Played: 43 Won: All Blacks 33, England 8, Drawn 2

Last time: 25-25, 19 November 2022, Twickenham

Referee: Nika Amashukeli (Georgia)

Teams:

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Sevu Reece could do with not feeding any more ammo to the English
Captain Jamie George warned that New Zealand will quickly learn who England are after All Blacks winger Sevu Reece admitted that he did not “really know much about them” heading into the first test in Dunedin.

This is England’s first tour of New Zealand since 2014, when lock Brodie Retallick failed to name a single member of the travelling squad. There appears to be no greater level of awareness among the current All Blacks squad with Reece unable to identify the England wings Tommy Freeman and Immanuel Feyi-Waboso who he will be facing on Saturday.

“I don’t really know much about them (the England wings),” Reece said. “We have just been trying to be familiar with the way we want to play. We have seen them carry on from their World Cup and they go to their high balls a lot and we are ready for that. We have prepped really well.”

By contrast, England head coach Steve Borthwick has set all members of his squad homework assignments on the All Blacks, who have named Stephen Perofeta rather than the experienced Beauden Barrett at full-back.

George has faced New Zealand on six previous occasions and says the only way to earn the All Blacks’ respect is to beat them. “I’m not in their camp, I don’t know whether there is any mind games in what they are saying,” George said. “I know that that was certainly said in 2017 on the Lions tour. The message then was by the end of that series they are certainly going to know who we are. That is certainly the message again from me and this England team.

“We are a team that always wants to know our opposition. We want to know them inside out because we want to be able to pick them apart. That’s ultimately how we see the game. If they see the game differently and they want to focus on themselves, that’s great. Go and do your thing, we’ll see who works out best on Saturday.”

George’s record against New Zealand, including tests for the Lions, is won two, drawn two and lost two. With England bidding to secure only their third ever away victory against the All Blacks, George says that history is within their grasp as long as they start the game decisively.

“We can’t sit back and wait because if we do that, we’ll be behind our poles 20 points down trying to create some sort of comeback like we did in 2022 (which England drew),” George said. “We come to New Zealand to play our way, to take New Zealand on. We’ve come to New Zealand to win, so we’ll know whether we’re there on not within the first few minutes after kick-off.

“Walk towards it, embrace it, love it. What an amazing opportunity we have got here. It was 2003 the last time England won here. I said to the boys like we’ve got an opportunity to do something really special so that in 20 years’ time when we are sat at one of those dinners not really wanting to be there, they are going to be asking us about the victory.”

England’s last victory over New Zealand came in the 2019 World Cup semifinal when they faced the haka in a ‘V’ formation. George and the senior leadership group will meet on Friday to decide on how to respond to the haka at the Forsyth Barr Stadium.


“We are still having conversations,” George said. “It’s the players’ decision. Steve has said that it is entirely on us what we decide to do but we will probably make a decision tomorrow. The most powerful thing for me (in 2019) was looking up at the big screen and seeing our captain smirking. I don’t think I can pull off the (Owen) Farrell smirk.

“I think the most important thing regardless of what you do to the haka and regardless of what happens before the game, the first 10 minutes of a test match sets the tone. What we did was that we put our necks on the line in terms of doing something different and challenging and then we backed it up. That’s going to be the most important thing regardless of what we do.”

Re: All Blacks Vs England Test Series thread

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 4:39 am
by OomStruisbaai
Surely he know about Itoje , Marler, George and 2019 WC.

Re: All Blacks Vs England Test Series thread

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 4:46 am
by Guy Smiley
England, as usual, doing all the talking.

Re: All Blacks Vs England Test Series thread

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 5:38 am
by Gumboot
Most recent H2H results favour England, with their plucky come from behind 25-all draw in 2022 and emphatic 19-7 win in RWC 2019.

Re: All Blacks Vs England Test Series thread

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 10:39 am
by TedMaul
Guy Smiley wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2024 4:46 am England, as usual, doing all the talking.
Awful isn't it. Being educated and having opinions.

Re: All Blacks Vs England Test Series thread

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 10:41 am
by Slick
OomStruisbaai wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2024 4:39 am Surely he know about Itoje , Marler, George and 2019 WC.
It says he is referring specifically to the England wings

Re: All Blacks Vs England Test Series thread

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 11:24 am
by SaintK
TedMaul wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2024 10:39 am
Guy Smiley wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2024 4:46 am England, as usual, doing all the talking.
Awful isn't it. Being educated and having opinions.
Quite! But of course we aren't the "spiritual guardians of the game" so not allowed to say anything!

Re: All Blacks Vs England Test Series thread

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 11:43 am
by OomStruisbaai
Slick wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2024 10:41 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2024 4:39 am Surely he know about Itoje , Marler, George and 2019 WC.
It says he is referring specifically to the England wings
Blame Razor for this. He probably do it the Crusader way.

Re: All Blacks Vs England Test Series thread

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 1:37 pm
by sockwithaticket
Slick wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2024 10:41 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2024 4:39 am Surely he know about Itoje , Marler, George and 2019 WC.
It says he is referring specifically to the England wings
I imagine he was probably just trying to play a straight bat and avoid getting drawn into talking about who he'll be lining up against.

Freeman and Feyi-Waboso may be somewhat new to the international scene, but there's footage of them out there for both club and country, I'd be surprised if Reece and the rest of the All Black three quarter line hadn't watched a bunch of it.

Re: All Blacks Vs England Test Series thread

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 1:39 pm
by Raggs
sockwithaticket wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2024 1:37 pm
Slick wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2024 10:41 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2024 4:39 am Surely he know about Itoje , Marler, George and 2019 WC.
It says he is referring specifically to the England wings
I imagine he was probably just trying to play a straight bat and avoid getting drawn into talking about who he'll be lining up against.

Freeman and Feyi-Waboso may be somewhat new to the international scene, but there's footage of them out there for both club and country, I'd be surprised if Reece and the rest of the All Black three quarter line hadn't watched a bunch of it.
They must have, Feyi-Waboso especially is a "unique" sort of winger that you need to be aware of, not just the wingers, but the whole squad, given how much he floats around looking for work.

Re: All Blacks Vs England Test Series thread

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 2:01 pm
by Guy Smiley
The All Blacks never bother with researching opposition teams and Razor is notorious for being badly prepared.

Re: All Blacks Vs England Test Series thread

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 4:57 pm
by SaintK
Feeling somewhat over optimistic. England by 9

Re: All Blacks Vs England Test Series thread

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 5:26 pm
by Guy Smiley
I reckon regardless of who you support, there’s a lot to look forward to seeing in these two games that outweighs the somewhat simple business of just winning or losing…

Borthwick seems to be growing into his coaching and perhaps looking to shift gears a bit with how he wants his team to play. Maybe having Farrell out of the set up has been liberating somehow? For us Kiwis, here we go with the Razor era and all that promises… but a coach needs time to bed a team in and while he’s named some debutants there’s still a core of old guard in there and whatever carryover remains from the last long drawn out era of Hansen then Fozzie.

Nothing’s certain. I’m looking forward to seeing how the games unfold and what omens we can glean for the next 4 years. A win would be good of course and there’ll be hell to pay in NZ if the ABs lose first up… but you never rule anything out when you’re putting the family farm on the line. Or a 2m moulded plastic self wicking garden bed if you don’t have a farm handy.

Re: All Blacks Vs England Test Series thread

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 5:48 pm
by Biffer
You kiwis haven’t played the much recently, have you? They’ve been a bit shit. New Zealand by 25.

Re: All Blacks Vs England Test Series thread

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 6:55 pm
by JM2K6
Biffer wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2024 5:48 pm You kiwis haven’t played the much recently, have you? They’ve been a bit shit. New Zealand by 25.
In fairness, we were a bit shit when they last played us and that was a draw; our last match was a win over a team they really rate, too.

Re: All Blacks Vs England Test Series thread

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 7:10 pm
by Flockwitt
Wooop! AB match day again! With Razor! Let's go Black!!!

Re: All Blacks Vs England Test Series thread

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 8:45 pm
by Achahoish
Feeling realistic. NZ by 8

Re: All Blacks Vs England Test Series thread

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 9:51 pm
by Enzedder
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This should be a good one - a fair curtain raiser for the Boks and Irish match

Re: All Blacks Vs England Test Series thread

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 11:15 pm
by Gumboot
I love the smell of game day in the morning.

Re: All Blacks Vs England Test Series thread

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 11:29 pm
by Rhubarb & Custard
Guy Smiley wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2024 2:01 pm The All Blacks never bother with researching opposition teams and Razor is notorious for being badly prepared.
Historically yes, that was changing under Hansen, then came some mystery years where who knows what they were doing, and now we get Razor who thus far is more let's focus on what we do line of thinking.

Re: All Blacks Vs England Test Series thread

Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2024 12:31 am
by Jethro
TedMaul wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2024 10:39 am
Guy Smiley wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2024 4:46 am England, as usual, doing all the talking.
Awful isn't it. Being educated and having opinions.
We are talking the English Rugby team, thug-lite as it is more commonly known as, not the newly minted Brit PM :wave:

Re: All Blacks Vs England Test Series thread

Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2024 12:32 am
by Jethro
Flockwitt wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2024 7:10 pm Wooop! AB match day again! With Razor! Let's go Black!!!
Suddenly the future is looking promising ... well except for Warriors fans, it's all shite over there.

C'mon the Blackness :thumbup:

Re: All Blacks Vs England Test Series thread

Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2024 3:59 am
by Enzedder
Interesting stat
STAT - The All Blacks team Razor has named to play England is the first time the All Blacks have had no Test debutants in their first test of the season for 35 years 👀
Last having none in 1989.

Re: All Blacks Vs England Test Series thread

Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2024 5:53 am
by OomStruisbaai
England the favorites here. All Blacks will need to hit the field running.

Re: All Blacks Vs England Test Series thread

Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2024 6:49 am
by ASMO
OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2024 5:53 am England the favorites here. All Blacks will need to hit the field running.
Nice try, but no ceegar

Re: All Blacks Vs England Test Series thread

Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2024 6:58 am
by Gumboot
Go, All Blacks!

Re: All Blacks Vs England Test Series thread

Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2024 6:59 am
by Kiwias
Feeling really excited for this match.

Re: All Blacks Vs England Test Series thread

Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2024 7:03 am
by ASMO
NZ anthem duly murdered

Re: All Blacks Vs England Test Series thread

Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2024 7:13 am
by Biffer
What’s with the truly awful collar on the AB shirt? That is dreadful.

Re: All Blacks Vs England Test Series thread

Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2024 7:13 am
by Jock42
ASMO wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2024 7:03 am NZ anthem duly murdered
Very American.

Re: All Blacks Vs England Test Series thread

Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2024 7:14 am
by Paddington Bear
Cracking start

Re: All Blacks Vs England Test Series thread

Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2024 7:15 am
by ASMO
Everything Slade touches turns to shit...what does he fucking bring.

Re: All Blacks Vs England Test Series thread

Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2024 7:15 am
by Enzedder
Pressuring Jordie. DMac needs to make some runs to stop them committing like that

Re: All Blacks Vs England Test Series thread

Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2024 7:15 am
by Oxbow
England started well, hopefully they can keep it up.

Re: All Blacks Vs England Test Series thread

Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2024 7:18 am
by Kiwias
de Groot kills that scrum

Re: All Blacks Vs England Test Series thread

Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2024 7:19 am
by ASMO
England tighthead murdered in that scrum

Re: All Blacks Vs England Test Series thread

Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2024 7:22 am
by Enzedder
Great finisher is Sevu. Sniffs the tryline every time

Re: All Blacks Vs England Test Series thread

Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2024 7:23 am
by Kiwias
Tuipulotu doing his core jobs very well

Re: All Blacks Vs England Test Series thread

Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2024 7:23 am
by Paddington Bear
England are looking decent, NZ look on another level

Re: All Blacks Vs England Test Series thread

Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2024 7:25 am
by Kiwias
Marler replaced after 17mins