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France vs All Blacks

Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2024 9:09 pm
by Gumboot
Stade de France, Saint-Denis

Local: 9:10pm, Saturday 16 Nov
NZ: 9:10am, Sunday 17 Nov

Referee: Nika Amashukeli (Georgia)
Assistant Referee 1: Matthew Carley (England)
Assistant Referee 2: Andrea Piardi (Italy)
TMO: Marius Jonker (South Africa)


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Re: France vs All Blacks

Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2024 2:00 am
by Jethro
Can Razor clean sweep the end of year tour, oh hell yeah, the cheese eating surrender monkeys next on the AB hit list :shh:

Re: France vs All Blacks

Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2024 6:20 am
by Enzedder
Referee: Nika Amashukeli (Georgia)
Oh shit. This will not end well. At least we know what he calls so should be able to plan for it.

Re: France vs All Blacks

Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2024 7:31 am
by OomStruisbaai
All Blacks to win this. France still have WC blues.

Re: France vs All Blacks

Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2024 9:12 am
by Sards
And then there is the best player in the world to contend with..................Du Pont

Re: France vs All Blacks

Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2024 9:17 am
by ASMO
Enzedder wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2024 6:20 am
Referee: Nika Amashukeli (Georgia)
Oh shit. This will not end well. At least we know what he calls so should be able to plan for it.
Don't know what you are moaning about, he is a brilliant referee.

Re: France vs All Blacks

Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2024 10:02 am
by Grandpa
Sards wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2024 9:12 am And then there is the best player in the world to contend with..................Du Pont
Very true. If he plays well, France play well.

Re: France vs All Blacks

Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2024 10:25 am
by Sards
Grandpa wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2024 10:02 am
Sards wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2024 9:12 am And then there is the best player in the world to contend with..................Du Pont
Very true. If he plays well, France play well.
ABs will have to close him down

Re: France vs All Blacks

Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2024 12:47 pm
by Torquemada 1420
OomStruisbaai wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2024 7:31 am All Blacks to win this. France still have WC blues.
I think they will edge it too. Partly because the ABs are battle hardened now whereas a training game against a poor Japan side is inadequate preparation. Also,
- Ramos is not a FH but Jalibert was horrible when he came on.
- Alldritt is having a penalty give away fest which is in keeping with the drop in form of everyone associated with LaR
2 critical positions.

Beyond that, Moefana remains a waste of space. Penaud is injured, yet again although I really rate Attisogbe. So much so, that I'd be tempted to play the Pau man on the wing and move Penaud into centre if both fit,

Re: France vs All Blacks

Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2024 12:48 pm
by Torquemada 1420
ASMO wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2024 9:17 am
Enzedder wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2024 6:20 am
Referee: Nika Amashukeli (Georgia)
Oh shit. This will not end well. At least we know what he calls so should be able to plan for it.
Don't know what you are moaning about, he is a brilliant referee.
This. I think he is one of the best 2 in the game.

Re: France vs All Blacks

Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2024 12:56 pm
by OomStruisbaai
Torquemada 1420 wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2024 12:47 pm
OomStruisbaai wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2024 7:31 am All Blacks to win this. France still have WC blues.
I think they will edge it too. Partly because the ABs are battle hardened now whereas a training game against a poor Japan side is inadequate preparation. Also,
- Ramos is not a FH but Jalibert was horrible when he came on.
- Alldritt is having a penalty give away fest which is in keeping with the drop in form of everyone associated with LaR
2 critical positions.

Beyond that, Moefana remains a waste of space. Penaud is injured, yet again although I really rate Attisogbe. So much so, that I'd be tempted to play the Pau man on the wing and move Penaud into centre if both fit,
French scrum and depth?

Re: France vs All Blacks

Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2024 5:17 pm
by Enzedder
Torquemada 1420 wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2024 12:48 pm
ASMO wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2024 9:17 am
Enzedder wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2024 6:20 am

Oh shit. This will not end well. At least we know what he calls so should be able to plan for it.
Don't know what you are moaning about, he is a brilliant referee.
This. I think he is one of the best 2 in the game.

I don't. He had a test in the RC this year and left us all bemused.

Still - we know him a bit better now

Re: France vs All Blacks

Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2024 5:41 pm
by Gumboot
Don't imagine Razor will stray far from last week's starters. If Cane's out, will he move Ardie to 7 and Sititi to 8? Are Blackadder and Papali'i with the team yet... maybe one of those two could get openside?

Apart from that, will there be any other changes? Taylor or Aumua? Williams or de Groot? Ratima or Roigard? DMac or Beauden?

Re: France vs All Blacks

Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2024 7:20 pm
by Gumboot
Former captain Sam Cane's All Blacks career could be over after he and winger Mark Tele'a were ruled out of this weekend's test against France in Paris.

Flanker Cane suffered a deep cut to his head which required multiple stitches in last Saturday's win over Ireland, while Tele'a picked up a hand injury.

Hurricanes loose forward and All Blacks XV captain Du'Plessis Kirifi and Crusaders back Chay Fihaki have been called into the squad as has lock Fabian Holland with the latter replacing Sam Darry who suffered a season-ending knee injury in training.

AJ Lam replaced Harry Plummer (minor leg injury) last week, as cover for Billy Proctor.

There is some good news though with Codie Taylor and first-five Beauden Barrett, who missed the Ireland game due to concussion, both tracking well to be available.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/sport/533525 ... ith-france
So probably Reece straight back in for Tele'a, but who's going to replace Cane? It won't happen, but I'd love to see how Lakai would go at 7.

Re: France vs All Blacks

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2024 7:01 am
by laurent
Likely French team
La composition probable des Bleus : 15. Buros ; 14. Villière, 13. Fickou, 12. Moefana, 11. Bielle-Biarrey ; 10. Ramos, 9. Dupont (cap.) ; 7. Roumat, 8. Alldritt, 6. Boudehent ; 5. Meafou, 4. Flament ou Ollivon ; 3. Tatafu, 2. Mauvaka, 1. Gros

Remplaçants : 16. Marchand, 17. Wardi, 18. Colombe, 19. R. Taofifenua, 20. Guillard, 21. Ollivon ou Woki, 22. Le Garrec, 23. Barré ou Jalibert ou Gailleton.

Re: France vs All Blacks

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2024 10:45 am
by Torquemada 1420
OomStruisbaai wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2024 12:56 pm
Torquemada 1420 wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2024 12:47 pm
OomStruisbaai wrote: Mon Nov 11, 2024 7:31 am All Blacks to win this. France still have WC blues.
I think they will edge it too. Partly because the ABs are battle hardened now whereas a training game against a poor Japan side is inadequate preparation. Also,
- Ramos is not a FH but Jalibert was horrible when he came on.
- Alldritt is having a penalty give away fest which is in keeping with the drop in form of everyone associated with LaR
2 critical positions.

Beyond that, Moefana remains a waste of space. Penaud is injured, yet again although I really rate Attisogbe. So much so, that I'd be tempted to play the Pau man on the wing and move Penaud into centre if both fit,
French scrum and depth?
Scrum should hold its own. I don't know much about Tatafu: he's a big lad who's down as a backrower! Mauvaka and Marchand are arguably the best 2 hookers in the world.

Re: France vs All Blacks

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2024 10:46 am
by Torquemada 1420
laurent wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 7:01 am Likely French team
La composition probable des Bleus : 15. Buros ; 14. Villière, 13. Fickou, 12. Moefana, 11. Bielle-Biarrey ; 10. Ramos, 9. Dupont (cap.) ; 7. Roumat, 8. Alldritt, 6. Boudehent ; 5. Meafou, 4. Flament ou Ollivon ; 3. Tatafu, 2. Mauvaka, 1. Gros

Remplaçants : 16. Marchand, 17. Wardi, 18. Colombe, 19. R. Taofifenua, 20. Guillard, 21. Ollivon ou Woki, 22. Le Garrec, 23. Barré ou Jalibert ou Gailleton.
Ollivon at lock is a bit wild.

Re: France vs All Blacks

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2024 2:24 pm
by Marylandolorian
Looks like galthié doesn’t like Jalibert, but Villiere is back. :think:

15. Buros ; 14. Villière, 13. Fickou, 12. Moefana, 11. Bielle-Biarrey ; 10. Ramos, 9. Dupont (cap.) ; 7. Roumat, 8. Alldritt, 6. Boudehent ; 5. Meafou, 4. Flament ; 3. Tatafu, 2. Mauvaka, 1. Gros
Remplaçants : 16. Marchand, 17. Wardi, 18. Colombe, 19. R. Taofifenua, 20. Guillard, 21. Ollivon, 22. Le Garrec, 23. Gailleton.

Re: France vs All Blacks

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:32 am
by Kiwias
Sititi at 8 and Ardie at 7 is the big one, and BB over DMac.

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Re: France vs All Blacks

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:52 am
by Slick
I think this is my favourite fixture in rugby

Re: France vs All Blacks

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:56 am
by Stranger
Slick wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:52 am I think this is my favourite fixture in rugby
There have been some fantastic matches

Re: France vs All Blacks

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 12:15 pm
by Kiwias
We also get to see Pete Lakai in black. Really looking forward to seeing him play.

Re: France vs All Blacks

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 1:27 pm
by laurent
NZ by a 100

Re: France vs All Blacks

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 4:44 pm
by Grandpa
laurent wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 1:27 pmNZ by a 100
By half time...

Re: France vs All Blacks

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 6:27 pm
by Guy Smiley
Kiwias wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:32 am Sititi at 8 and Ardie at 7 is the big one, and BB over DMac.

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Plus Roigard starting...

a little unfair on DMac and Ratima, I reckon. DMac is being hailed as having his best game in black last week with an assured and measured performance. For my money, that improvement and discipline should be rewarded. Ratima was caught out with the Irish tactics and took too long to adapt... but the ref started penalising them and Roigard had time to look and learn before coming on. A minor quibble as I think we've all been waiting for Roigard to take the mantle.

I don't see the value of BB over DMac and it bothers me to think they are still trying to work out a pecking order here with one candidate a known pecker.

Edit... also, Finau starting at 6. You get a shot, you better make it pay.

Re: France vs All Blacks

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 6:59 pm
by Gumboot
Ethan "Food Bill" de Groot's indiscretion has proved to be very costly indeed.

Re: France vs All Blacks

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 7:01 pm
by Sards
This is the match I want to watch most. Love it that the ABs are sorting their shit out. Always nice to have a brother to help us fight our fights. We got you too Aus and the Argies

Re: France vs All Blacks

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 7:18 pm
by Gumboot
Sards wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 7:01 pmAlways nice to have a brother to help us fight our fights.
WTF are you on about?

Re: France vs All Blacks

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 7:19 pm
by Guy Smiley
Gumboot wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 6:59 pm Ethan "Food Bill" de Groot's indiscretion has proved to be very costly indeed.
Ok... I don't know the story, what's all this? :lol:

Re: France vs All Blacks

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 7:26 pm
by Gumboot
Guy Smiley wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 7:19 pm
Gumboot wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 6:59 pm Ethan "Food Bill" de Groot's indiscretion has proved to be very costly indeed.
Ok... I don't know the story, what's all this? :lol:
It's a secret, covered by the generic "didn't meet team standards" offence. He's apparently been available for selection since last week, but now can't get a look-in, so he's effectively been a passenger for the whole tour so far.

Re: France vs All Blacks

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 7:36 pm
by Guy Smiley
Gumboot wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 7:26 pm
Guy Smiley wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 7:19 pm
Gumboot wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 6:59 pm Ethan "Food Bill" de Groot's indiscretion has proved to be very costly indeed.
Ok... I don't know the story, what's all this? :lol:
It's a secret, covered by the generic "didn't meet team standards" offence. He's apparently been available for selection since last week, but now can't get a look-in, so he's effectively been a passenger for the whole tour so far.
Ah, gotcha. Stood down for a week and if anyone else performs, you've got your work cut out for you to get back in. I like that. I wish it applied to the 10 jersey.

Re: France vs All Blacks

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 9:27 pm
by Rhubarb & Custard
We've seen in the game the disappearance of the 6 in lieu of an extra lock, or arguably the vanishing of a centre in lieu of something that sort of passes for a flanker, but how many top games don't feature a 10 over the years?

Re: France vs All Blacks

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 9:50 pm
by Gumboot
All Blacks to play in their "away" kit of white jersey with black collar. At least it's not the dreaded grey.

Re: France vs All Blacks

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 10:27 pm
by Guy Smiley
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 9:27 pm We've seen in the game the disappearance of the 6 in lieu of an extra lock, or arguably the vanishing of a centre in lieu of something that sort of passes for a flanker, but how many top games don't feature a 10 over the years?
I'm not sure where you're coming from with this. No-one is proposing doing away with the 10, my comment was related to my personal view on who's worthy of it.

Re: France vs All Blacks

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 10:50 pm
by Kiwias
Guy Smiley wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 6:27 pm
Kiwias wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:32 am Sititi at 8 and Ardie at 7 is the big one, and BB over DMac.

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Plus Roigard starting...

a little unfair on DMac and Ratima, I reckon. DMac is being hailed as having his best game in black last week with an assured and measured performance. For my money, that improvement and discipline should be rewarded. Ratima was caught out with the Irish tactics and took too long to adapt... but the ref started penalising them and Roigard had time to look and learn before coming on. A minor quibble as I think we've all been waiting for Roigard to take the mantle.

I don't see the value of BB over DMac and it bothers me to think they are still trying to work out a pecking order here with one candidate a known pecker.

Edit... also, Finau starting at 6. You get a shot, you better make it pay.
I am less worried about Ratima as I think we all know that Roigard is considered #1 and Ratima his very able deputy. Ratima will have learnt a lot from last week and will be on fire when he comes on the field this game. I too would have stuck with DMac, he played a very mature game last week.

Re: France vs All Blacks

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:06 pm
by Kiwias
Apparently Jalibert told the coach not to pick him in the match-day squad if he is not the starting 10.

https://apnews.com/article/france-all-b ... 703541a65a

Re: France vs All Blacks

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:25 pm
by Enzedder
Seems strange that two of our best players against Ireland have been relegated to the bench (and our worst player still makes the 23). I guess that's why he's the coach and I peck away at a keyboard like a hungry sparrow.

We'll lose this one though (not enough Chiefs)

Re: France vs All Blacks

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2024 7:48 am
by laurent
Kiwias wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:06 pm Apparently Jalibert told the coach not to pick him in the match-day squad if he is not the starting 10.

https://apnews.com/article/france-all-b ... 703541a65a
He was not even on the bench (retained as 23rd)

Re: France vs All Blacks

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2024 8:32 am
by Kiwias
laurent wrote: Fri Nov 15, 2024 7:48 am
Kiwias wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:06 pm Apparently Jalibert told the coach not to pick him in the match-day squad if he is not the starting 10.

https://apnews.com/article/france-all-b ... 703541a65a
He was not even on the bench (retained as 23rd)
He refused to be on the bench, apparently.

Re: France vs All Blacks

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2024 8:34 am
by Rhubarb & Custard
Guy Smiley wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 10:27 pm
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 9:27 pm We've seen in the game the disappearance of the 6 in lieu of an extra lock, or arguably the vanishing of a centre in lieu of something that sort of passes for a flanker, but how many top games don't feature a 10 over the years?
I'm not sure where you're coming from with this. No-one is proposing doing away with the 10, my comment was related to my personal view on who's worthy of it.
More that neither side is naming anyone that actually plays as a 10. They really do their own thing mixed with some lack of notion of what to do