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Italy vs All Blacks
Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2024 7:39 am
by Gumboot
Allianz Stadium, Turin
Local: 9:10pm, Saturday 23 Nov
NZ: 9:10am, Sunday 24 Nov
Referee: Pierre Brousset (France)
Assistant Referee 1: Nika Amashukeli (Georgia)
Assistant Referee 2: Ludovic Cayre (France)
TMO: Tual Trainini (France)
Teams tbc...
Re: Italy vs All Blacks
Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2024 8:12 am
by Kiwias
Thanks.
Japan 5:10AM kick-off
Re: Italy vs All Blacks
Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2024 8:21 am
by Sards
Non event....the biggie was last weekend.
So very disappointed that I stayed awake for that
Re: Italy vs All Blacks
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:58 am
by Gumboot
Hopefully the ABs play well and end the year on a high. Would like to see Razor pick something like this...
15 Love, 14 Tele'a, 13 Lam, 12 ALB, 11 Clarke, 10 Perofeta, 9 Roigard, 8 Sititi, 7 Cane, 6 Lakai, 5 Tuipulotu (c), 4 Lord, 3 Newell, 2 Aumua, 1 de Groot
16 Bell, 17 Ofa, 18 Tosi, 19 Holland, 20 Ardie, 21 Perenara, 22 Rieko, 23 DMac, 24 Havili
Assuming Finau and Jordie are out injured. Dunno if they'll give any of the B Team players a run or stick with the original squad members, but I hope we see Holland and Lam feature.
Give Will Jordan and Cortez Ratima the week off to reflect on their less than stellar decision-making of late.
Re: Italy vs All Blacks
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2024 2:34 am
by Kiwias
A 5-4 split is a novel idea. Otherwise, I like that team
Re: Italy vs All Blacks
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2024 2:51 am
by Gumboot
Kiwias wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 2:34 am
A 5-4 split is a novel idea.
Too subtle?
Re: Italy vs All Blacks
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2024 3:53 am
by Guy Smiley
Gumboot wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:58 am
Hopefully the ABs play well and end the year on a high. Would like to see Razor pick something like this...
15 Love, 14 Tele'a, 13 Lam, 12 ALB, 11 Clarke, 10 Perofeta, 9 Roigard, 8 Sititi, 7 Cane, 6 Lakai, 5 Tuipulotu (c), 4 Lord, 3 Newell, 2 Aumua, 1 de Groot
16 Bell, 17 Ofa, 18 Tosi, 19 Holland, 20 Ardie, 21 Perenara, 22 Rieko, 23 DMac, 24 Havili
Assuming Finau and Jordie are out injured. Dunno if they'll give any of the B Team players a run or stick with the original squad members, but I hope we see Holland and Lam feature.
Give Will Jordan and Cortez Ratima the week off to reflect on their less than stellar decision-making of late.
Wholesale change for the sake of it is a trademark of the arrogance enjoyed by Hansen and then Fozzie. I hope they stick with a largely unchanged lineup aside from injury replacements, myself. You're developing the core of a team that will carry the jersey with due pride and respect, some generational change is always on the cards and we've seen plenty of it already this year... I'm happy to see them stick with that core group and add to it slowly.
Re: Italy vs All Blacks
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2024 5:29 am
by Gumboot
Guy Smiley wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 3:53 amWholesale change for the sake of it is a trademark of the arrogance enjoyed by Hansen and then Fozzie. I hope they stick with a largely unchanged lineup aside from injury replacements, myself. You're developing the core of a team that will carry the jersey with due pride and respect, some generational change is always on the cards and we've seen plenty of it already this year... I'm happy to see them stick with that core group and add to it slowly.
I'd prefer to run with some of the fringe players like Love, Perofeta and Newell, who have hardly taken the field so far on tour. And I reckon it would be especially harsh to leave out Ethan de Food Bill.
Re: Italy vs All Blacks
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2024 5:48 am
by Guy Smiley
I'll settle for bench spots
Re: Italy vs All Blacks
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2024 7:57 am
by Kiwias
Gumboot wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 2:51 am
Kiwias wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 2:34 am
A 5-4 split is a novel idea.
Too subtle?
I particularly like your idea of Rieko at 10
Re: Italy vs All Blacks
Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2024 5:57 pm
by Enzedder
All Blacks match-day 23 (caps in brackets)
1. Ethan de Groot (28)
2. Codie Taylor (95) (Vice-Captain)
3. Tyrel Lomax (43)
4. Scott Barrett (79) (Captain)
5. Patrick Tuipulotu (50)
6. Wallace Sititi (9)
7. Sam Cane (103)
8. Ardie Savea (93) (Vice-Captain)
9. Cam Roigard (9)
10. Beauden Barrett (133)
11. Caleb Clarke (28)
12. Anton Lienert-Brown (83)
13. Rieko Ioane (80)
14. Mark Tele’a (18)
15. Will Jordan (40)
16. Asafo Aumua (19)
17. Ofa Tu’ungafasi (67)
18. Fletcher Newell (21)
19. Tupou Vaa’i (37)
20. Peter Lakai (2)
21. TJ Perenara (88)
22. David Havili (29)
23. Damian McKenzie (61)
Unavailable due to injury: Tamaiti Williams (neck), Jordie Barrett (knee), Samipeni Finau (concussion), Sam Darry (knee), Ethan Blackadder (calf), Luke Jacobson (fractured thumb) and Dalton Papali'i (upper hamstring).
The All Blacks’ final match of the Northern Tour will also be the final match in the black jersey for long-serving All Blacks Sam Cane and TJ Perenara. Cane will sign off his remarkable All Blacks career in the No.7 jersey, while halfback Perenara will inject his trademark high-energy impact off the bench against Italy on Saturday night in Turin.
Cane’s return creates a loose forward reshuffle, with Wallace Sititi slipping back into blindside and Ardie Savea going to No.8.
There are two further changes in the forwards, with prop Ethan de Groot and lock Patrick Tuipulotu coming into the starting line-up. Ofa Tu’ungafasi and Fletcher Newell will provide prop cover and Tupou Vaa’i will cover lock.
In the backs, Jordie Barrett has been ruled out this week with a knee injury, which sees Anton Lienert-Brown start at second five-eighth and brings David Havili into the reserves. Mark Tele’a has recovered from his hand injury to reclaim the right wing.
Re: Italy vs All Blacks
Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2024 6:19 pm
by sturginho
15 Ange CAPUOZZO (Stade Toulousain, 22 caps)
14 Jacopo TRULLA (Zebre Parma, 11 caps)
13 Juan Ignacio BREX (Benetton Rugby, 40 caps) – capitano
12 Tommaso MENONCELLO (Benetton Rugby, 22 caps)
11 Monty IOANE (Lione 34 caps)
10 Paolo GARBISI (Toulon RC, 41 caps)
9 Martin PAGE-RELO (Lione, 12 caps)
8 Ross VINTCENT (Exeter Chiefs, 8 caps)
7 Manuel ZULIANI (Benetton Rugby, 26 caps)
6 Sebastian NEGRI (Benetton Rugby, 57 caps)
5 Dino LAMB (Harlequins, 8 caps)
4 Federico RUZZA (Benetton Rugby, 58 caps)
3 Marco RICCIONI (Saracens, 29 caps)
2 Gianmarco LUCCHESI (Toulon RC, 27 caps)
1 Danilo FISCHETTI (Zebre Parma, 46 caps)
A disposizione
16 Giacomo NICOTERA (Stade Francais, 27 caps)
17 Mirco SPAGNOLO (Benetton Rugby, 10 caps)
18 Simone FERRARI (Benetton Rugby, 58 caps)
19 Niccolò CANNONE (Benetton Rugby, 46 caps)
20 Alessandro IZEKOR (Benetton Rugby, 5 caps)
21 Alessandro GARBISI (Benetton Rugby, 12 caps)
22 Leonardo MARIN (Benetton Rugby, 12 caps)
23 Marco ZANON (Benetton Rugby, 16 caps)
Re: Italy vs All Blacks
Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2024 6:48 pm
by Gumboot
Wasn't expecting quite such a strong ABs side, but hopefully they can put on a top performance to finish the tour.
Re: Italy vs All Blacks
Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2024 7:08 pm
by Gumboot
22. David Havili (29)
Not exactly thrilled to see this year's least deserving All Black make the reserves.
And yet Ruben Love misses out again. Go figure.
Re: Italy vs All Blacks
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2024 8:03 pm
by Gumboot
Go, All Blacks!
Re: Italy vs All Blacks
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2024 8:04 pm
by sturginho
Butchering their anthem, a sure fire way to get them riled up....
Re: Italy vs All Blacks
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2024 8:11 pm
by ScarfaceClaw
sturginho wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 8:04 pm
Butchering their anthem, a sure fire way to get them riled up....
It’s a bag of spanners at the best of times. I’d be more surprised if it was un-butchered.
Re: Italy vs All Blacks
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2024 8:16 pm
by sturginho
Ruzza is meant to be the safe pair of hands, I'll start calling him shit for hands at this rate
Re: Italy vs All Blacks
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2024 8:20 pm
by Slick
I thought it was frustrating being a Scotland supporter… how do Italians cope
Re: Italy vs All Blacks
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2024 8:21 pm
by sturginho
sturginho wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 8:16 pm
Ruzza is meant to be the safe pair of hands, I'll start calling him shit for hands at this rate
I take it all back, what a steal! And a 50-22!
Re: Italy vs All Blacks
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2024 8:21 pm
by ScarfaceClaw
Roigard is looking very slow and average here.
Re: Italy vs All Blacks
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2024 8:22 pm
by Tichtheid
Two pretty cynical actions from ABs there
Re: Italy vs All Blacks
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2024 8:22 pm
by sturginho
Stop the count!
Re: Italy vs All Blacks
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2024 8:22 pm
by Slick
How the fuck is that not a yellow. Ref knows he’s bottled it
Re: Italy vs All Blacks
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2024 8:23 pm
by fishfoodie
Re: Italy vs All Blacks
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2024 8:23 pm
by Enzedder
This cannot be rust.
Shit players or shit coaching ?
Although keeping the Italians onside at the mauls would be a bit fairer than open slather.
Re: Italy vs All Blacks
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2024 8:25 pm
by ScarfaceClaw
Enzedder wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 8:23 pm
This cannot be rust.
Shit players or shit coaching ?
Although keeping the Italians onside at the mauls would be a bit fairer than open slather.
Roigard looks like he’s never seen a rugby ball before.
Re: Italy vs All Blacks
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2024 8:25 pm
by Oxbow
Good start for Italy. Won't last, mind.
Re: Italy vs All Blacks
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2024 8:26 pm
by Slick
Has anyone seen those videos of the footie ref that prances and dances about?
Re: Italy vs All Blacks
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2024 8:26 pm
by Enzedder
And we haven't learned not to shepherd the ball catcher yet.
Re: Italy vs All Blacks
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2024 8:27 pm
by ScarfaceClaw
Slick wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 8:26 pm
Has anyone seen those videos of the footie ref that prances and dances about?
That’s a harsh call.
Re: Italy vs All Blacks
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2024 8:32 pm
by ScarfaceClaw
Oh FFS.
Re: Italy vs All Blacks
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2024 8:34 pm
by TheNatalShark
It will stay a yellow, because something something
Re: Italy vs All Blacks
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2024 8:34 pm
by fishfoodie
Has the squad been in suspended animation for the last year, & no-one told them about the latest law changes ?
Re: Italy vs All Blacks
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2024 8:35 pm
by sturginho
ScarfaceClaw wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 8:27 pm
Slick wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 8:26 pm
Has anyone seen those videos of the footie ref that prances and dances about?
That’s a harsh call.
HE COULD HAVE DOID!
Re: Italy vs All Blacks
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2024 8:35 pm
by ScarfaceClaw
TheNatalShark wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 8:34 pm
It will stay a yellow, because something something
This’ll be the one that gets upgraded.
Re: Italy vs All Blacks
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2024 8:35 pm
by Kiwias
Italy are playing at an insane intensity, unlikely to last
Re: Italy vs All Blacks
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2024 8:35 pm
by ScarfaceClaw
fishfoodie wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 8:34 pm
Has the squad been in suspended animation for the last year, & no-one told them about the latest law changes ?
And convinced them that there’s no need to catch or move the ball with any speed.
Re: Italy vs All Blacks
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2024 8:36 pm
by SaintK
Kiwias wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 8:35 pm
Italy are playing at an insane intensity, unlikely to last
Yep
ABs very clumsy though
Re: Italy vs All Blacks
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2024 8:37 pm
by Enzedder
Telea should have been pinged for not releasing there